Glastonbury 2016: There's going to be a women-only venue called The Sisterhood

a reply to: Morrad

I don't really see the problem. They setup a private establishment, and they said anyone that identifies as a woman as free to join them. There you have it. Guys can still go there, they just have to make believe they are a woman at the entrance.

a reply to: InTheLight

Well it would seem to me the folks running glastonbury a tad ignorant at best and discriminitive at worst.

I guess my biggest issue is it excludes males. From a business point of view this venue has to be VIP or women must be charged more for tickets. Anything else and it's basically disciminating.

Why should any protected group (or not) have access to more due to their defining attributes?

They shouldn't, it's favouritism and pisses all over equality either way you look at it. Downright nefarious imho

a reply to: RAY1990

men of wherever the heck this is in the UK, just troll them using their own argument. 1000 men just need to all show up and identify as women, scream we are women hear us roar and then crash the party. What are they going to do? All of their security are women or trans men also pretending to be(identify as) women.

It is a specific corner of the festival though, and the rest of it is still open to all. Either ignore that corner, or troll them with their own game.

Seems perfectly fine to me, people choose the ambient they wish for! what is wrong with that.a reply to: Morrad

The Sisterhood Glastonbury flyer.


Nice.

a reply to: RAY1990

I equate the crying to the boys who complained because they had to take wood shop instead of home ec. Please stop telling women that they can't have their own little clubs. It only means more time for them to yap in my ear.

Ladies, go to your bridge games or whatever you do.

a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Please stop telling women that they can't have their own little clubs.

Gladly , as long as women stop telling men they can't have their own little clubs.

a reply to: gortex

Yeah women talk a lot. Doesn't mean it matters.

a reply to: InTheLight

You're naive at best.

a reply to: RAY1990

I guess my biggest issue is it excludes males. From a business point of view this venue has to be VIP or women must be charged more for tickets. Anything else and it's basically disciminating.

To be fair, Glastonbury festival has always had informal exclusion zones. The wealthy hang out together in their big-ass camper vans and parts of the backstage area are restricted to 'VIPs' and invited guests only. There are 'hippy' sections out in the Green Fields where you need to be looking right or know the right people to access the parties.

Oxfam are partnered with the festival and their stewards live in a compound with three meals a day and hot showers.

There are (or were) two major security firms who also have their own compounds with varying states of utilities and quality of food.

In that context, discrimination via gender is no worse than discrimination by social class, employment or business connections.

Caveat - I haven't been since 03-04 and it might now be an egalitarian festival where everyone is equal

a reply to: Kandinsky

I've never been myself but know a few who usually go. I've heard it's becoming more of a rich kids hangout every year. I've gathered it's became a hypocritical event at times.

I like festivals and gigs, not sure why but glastonbury has never tickled my fancy... I might be missing out. I place it in league with 02 arenas. Can't be dealing with Guinness in a plastic cup.

Tbh it just hit a nerve a bit, I'm all for freedom and equality but sometimes you just got to laugh or you might end up crying.

There's going to be a women-only venue called The Sisterhood

That's totally hot.

Over and out.

a reply to: Morrad

Many men that post here regarding the trans issues keep reiterating that their opposition to trans inclusion is to preserve the sanctity of "women only" spaces, yet something like this happens, and women-only spaces become something that will bring about the collapse of our society. Why is that?

Totally doesn't affect me as I never go.
Just somewhere for the middle classes to feel cool in their hunter wellies while pretending to be deeply into music and spirituality.

I'm sure that a women only area will be well supported by a lot of women that don't want to be getting hit on by smelly, stoned stockbrokers.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Morrad
a reply to: InTheLight

Are you suggesting that these 'groups' are frail to the point of requiring emotional and psychological support to attend a music festival?

Did you read this article. Live and learn about others' real life experiences in facing discrimination.

www.endtransdiscrimination.org...

I referred to the web site as a support and educational mechanism, the festival is a celebration and an extension of their mutual support.

Oh, mmmkay, it's so a bunch of whiners can get together and whine about their alleged discrimination. They can make their accusations about whomever without the accused having the ability to defend themselves.. Gotcha. Hmmm, fun wow! I hope some free cheese and crackers comes with all the whine. Sounds to me ike a bunch women and wannabee women getting together to be their misandrous selves with no scrutiny concerning any lies they may tell each other.

Good stuff, glad I won't be there! Oh wait, I'm not allowed, I identify as a normal heterosexual male, oops. Is that fair? Shouldn't I be allowed, what happened equality, to egalitarianism?

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: ReprobateRaccoon
Not to mention "let's protect women from immigrant rape at festivals!" followed by "how dare women seclude themselves at festivals for protection!"

originally posted by: SargonThrall
a reply to: ReprobateRaccoon
Not to mention "let's protect women from immigrant rape at festivals!" followed by "how dare women seclude themselves at festivals for protection!"

Is there a reason you're trying to emphasize "immigrant" rape? Rape is rape. It's a disgusting assault regardless of where the attacker comes from.

a reply to: ReprobateRaccoon
Because that is always the cry of the persons whose hypocrisy I was pointing out.

a reply to: Morrad

They should have a special area for non-gendered people, too.

To protect them from hateful sexuals.

a reply to: InTheLight

Well, with respect, that is not what festival is for. It is for universal unity, not limited unity. It is not a place for political, racial, gender based or sexual segregation. A separate event would be all very well, but festival is about everyone, not individual groups. If myself and a trans mate of mine went to a festival, and she pissed off to some secret place for the day, I would be upset. Why? Because my mate and I are friends, and I know her a damn sight better than some fundamentalist douche, who wouldn't know the meaning of community if it's dictionary definition was tattooed on their forehead.

This is how it IS:

No one has permission to take themselves out of society. They have permission to be in society, no matter what they do in it. Community is not about having everyone around you be the same, or think the same, or have the same problems or advantages. Community is about people from different walks of life living, and being together in harmony. Nothing is achieved by creating exclusive spaces at communal events, which only contain a singular demographic within a given sample of the population.

You cannot promote an individual's rights to be part of a community without coming across intolerance, by creating spaces where ONLY persons who fit into certain pigeon holes can go. You can only achieve greater division, by hiding away in a safe space. Utter bloody foolishness.