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originally posted by: nullafides
originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: nullafides
So.....if I have this right, they want the government to pay everyone??? Put us all on what amounts to welfare???
This, if nothing else, shows how badly the public school system has failed.
Yepp, you've got it right. That's precisely what the snowflakes want.
originally posted by: stabstab
a reply to: DBCowboy
If anything the idea if put to use would drive more people to innovate and invest in current and new businesses which would benefit everyone short and long term.
Give people a reasonable amount of security and if they want more than the basic than they need to get off their ass as you allude to which is what most people will do.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Subaeruginosa
If you want to flip burgers, expect a salary commensurate with that skill level.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
But do you seriously deny that anyone who does there 8 hours a day, shouldn't be entitled to a reasonably comfortable lifestyle?
originally posted by: stabstab
a reply to: DBCowboy
This point as an example is moot since people of todays world have access to knowledge, technology, and materials the Soviets could have only dreamed of and thats why the stagnation you speak of won't happen.
Simply having a heartbeat does not entitle you to my money!
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: DBCowboy
No ones demanding a "high salary" for low skilled work, as far as I can see. Just a fair days pay for a hard days work... Its not to much to ask for in a first world developed economy, as far as I'm concerned.
originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: DBCowboy
Funny, my boss (head burger flipper) at McDonalds had a degree in structural engineering, why was he ordering the burger flippers and occasionally flipping burgers himself instead of ordering brick layers ? Because there weren't any jobs when he finished uni and got stuck with doing what he knew while he worked through uni as a burger flipper
I find it incredibly funny that all you "capitalists" equate success in life to amount of wealth, the ironic thing is no matter how much wealth you generate you can't take a damn penny with you when you leave this planet
The Soviet Union was corrupt and it was far from everyone being equal, those in power and their friends worked like capitalists in secrecy hoarding large amounts of wealth while keeping everyone else poverished, on paper communism works, in practice it only works if those enforcing it are honest and legit and let's be honest, politicians that are honest and moral, do not exist in this current world.
You say it stifles drive, ambition and innovation ?
What would the world be like if creative people were able to be creative without having their creativity sucked out of them doing dead end jobs. I know plenty of musicians who gave up their music because they couldn't afford to sustain their creativity, same with artists and when they had their jobs they had little time or energy to create. I knew some inventors as well, they too lacked the time to invent. It's a fact that the majority of jobs stifle creativity and thinking out of the box. The only drive and ambition you speak of is to make enough money to crawl out of the crap hole they're stuck in, that's not motivation unless you think being beaten with a stick is motivation.
What you fail to see is minimum income is just a small step to creating a utopia, the next steps would be eradication of bull# jobs, globally controlled water supply, electricty, gas, internet, from a central hub free for everyone, better education to put people into worthwhile jobs within the science and tech industry. We need less pen pushers in this world and more scientists and engineers, get rid of bankers and the whole finance industry, build a world that truly is free.
But no let's keep the status quo, where the majority of people are miserable, where misery grows resentment and envy, which in turn leads to hate and eventually destruction
But it does entitle you to live a life of financial slavery right ? What a wonderful entitlement, where you're racking up debt before you're born, what a wonderful life to have where you either starve or work just to survive. Yes it's fine for you you're making money you're doing your own version of living but what about the billions of people on this planet who are not ? Do you really think if they all decided to stop being lazy (the majority are far from lazy) and went and got useful degrees there would be enough jobs for them all ?
The system is broken, globally and it needs to change
originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: DBCowboy
Funny, my boss (head burger flipper) at McDonalds had a degree in structural engineering, why was he ordering the burger flippers and occasionally flipping burgers himself instead of ordering brick layers ? Because there weren't any jobs when he finished uni and got stuck with doing what he knew while he worked through uni as a burger flipper
I find it incredibly funny that all you "capitalists" equate success in life to amount of wealth, the ironic thing is no matter how much wealth you generate you can't take a damn penny with you when you leave this planet
The Soviet Union was corrupt and it was far from everyone being equal, those in power and their friends worked like capitalists in secrecy hoarding large amounts of wealth while keeping everyone else poverished, on paper communism works, in practice it only works if those enforcing it are honest and legit and let's be honest, politicians that are honest and moral, do not exist in this current world.
You say it stifles drive, ambition and innovation ?
What would the world be like if creative people were able to be creative without having their creativity sucked out of them doing dead end jobs. I know plenty of musicians who gave up their music because they couldn't afford to sustain their creativity, same with artists and when they had their jobs they had little time or energy to create. I knew some inventors as well, they too lacked the time to invent. It's a fact that the majority of jobs stifle creativity and thinking out of the box. The only drive and ambition you speak of is to make enough money to crawl out of the crap hole they're stuck in, that's not motivation unless you think being beaten with a stick is motivation.
What you fail to see is minimum income is just a small step to creating a utopia, the next steps would be eradication of bull# jobs, globally controlled water supply, electricty, gas, internet, from a central hub free for everyone, better education to put people into worthwhile jobs within the science and tech industry. We need less pen pushers in this world and more scientists and engineers, get rid of bankers and the whole finance industry, build a world that truly is free.
But no let's keep the status quo, where the majority of people are miserable, where misery grows resentment and envy, which in turn leads to hate and eventually destruction
Simply having a heartbeat does not entitle you to my money!
But it does entitle you to live a life of financial slavery right ? What a wonderful entitlement, where you're racking up debt before you're born, what a wonderful life to have where you either starve or work just to survive. Yes it's fine for you you're making money you're doing your own version of living but what about the billions of people on this planet who are not ? Do you really think if they all decided to stop being lazy (the majority are far from lazy) and went and got useful degrees there would be enough jobs for them all ?
The system is broken, globally and it needs to change