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originally posted by: rebellion7
a reply to: admirethedistance
I'm sure they did do their research but i don't think studies reached back 4400 years ago
originally posted by: rebellion7
a reply to: peter vlar
I'm on ATS because i love to debate and can accept when I'm wrong. To answer your questions tho realistically i believe the waters rose maybe 90 meters so a little over 300 feet.
The salinity would have been substantially lower than it is today
and i myself know of about 10 forms of plant life that thrive in flood like conditions.
You may be under the impression that the flood lasted longer than it did which was less than a year about 9 months.
I'm no geologist so i don't know what test they could run. But i had facts even if they aren't proven facts
You guys and your boxed in minds can't accept a new idea.
Before you even begin any scientific work you have to first have an idea "believe in something" so that you can prove it to be true.
Scientist don't pick up ice cubes and study them to prove they melt because its known already therefore there has to be an unknown " something no one believes to be true" to study and prove its existence
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: rebellion7
I'm positive that the holes in our theory of evolution can be filled im exploring these regions.
What holes are you talking about, The theory of Evolution is both a fact and a theory, because it has no holes. When I hear comments like there, its very clear that they are made from ignorance.
originally posted by: iDope
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: rebellion7
I'm positive that the holes in our theory of evolution can be filled im exploring these regions.
What holes are you talking about, The theory of Evolution is both a fact and a theory, because it has no holes. When I hear comments like there, its very clear that they are made from ignorance.
You or noone else can prove human evolution, therefore it is not a fact. The idea that we come from monkeys-chimps-any other mamal that travels sometimes bipedal has never been repeatedly shown to be proven. Thus science is inconclusive when it comes to humans, that is why there is and will always be a missing link. No source you have read about this so called fact can be proven when you have not seen it yourself, you are dedicating your beliefs to someone elses findings that you have never seen. You don't question evolution at all? Natural selection is truth, evolution is not, sorry to burst your bubble.
originally posted by: admirethedistance
a reply to: iDope
Due to the immense timescales over which it occurs, nobody will ever be able to observe evolution 'happening". That doesn't mean it doesn't, though. It's still supported by every bit of evidence that we have, and it still remains the most likely answer, by far.
The concept of sexual selection was first articulated by Charles Darwin in the 19th century. His ideas on sexual selection were met with scepticism by his contemporaries and not considered of great importance in the 20th century, so that in the 1930s biologists decided to include sexual selection as a mode of natural selection. Only in the 21st Century have they become more important in biology
originally posted by: iDope
You or noone else can prove human evolution, therefore it is not a fact.
The idea that we come from monkeys-chimps-any other mamal that travels sometimes bipedal has never been repeatedly shown to be proven.
Thus science is inconclusive when it comes to humans, that is why there is and will always be a missing link.
No source you have read about this so called fact can be proven when you have not seen it yourself, you are dedicating your beliefs to someone elses findings that you have never seen.
You don't question evolution at all?
Natural selection is truth, evolution is not, sorry to burst your bubble.
originally posted by: Fer1527
a reply to: peter vlar
In every single age in human history, people have thought they knew every answer. They've been wrong every time. I don't trust my convictions to science because I'm well aware today's given facts will be proven wrong tomorrow. Anyone who thinks otherwise is narrow minded.
originally posted by: Fer1527
a reply to: peter vlar
I'm not saying new hypothesis shouldn't be criticized, I am saying they are criticized in the wrong way as that criticism is based on "sources" rather than original critical thinking. The same behaviour was displayed by the so-called "wise men" who claimed the Sun moved around the Earth. I'm sure there were many sources "proving" it back then, but they were all wrong weren't they?
Questioning things is never a bad thing. Stating its all wrong because its the answer science gives and then having no legitimate rebuttal or evidence to the contrary other than puffing up feathers and saying you simply don't believe it and won't trust your convictions to it is another matter entirely.
You do not understand how a scientific theory is arrived at do you. It starts as a hypothesis and is then proven by being testable. This enables scientists to make predictions. The modern synthesis of evolution has been formed from the work of many hundreds of "wise men"
You do realise that you just claimed that a Helioentric solar system is wrong ?
So you apparently believe that the sun and the other planets revolve around a stationary earth. Your apparent knowledge then is on a par with the middle ages.
There's this guy Tycho Brahe, perhaps you should google him
originally posted by: Fer1527
And yes scientific theories do start as a hypothesis. Only afterwards it is tested and proved, that is exactly my point. What happens is, if we dismiss new hypothesis simply because they are going against the current interpretation of data, you could say science is being held back in a way. That is what I was referring to when I used the term "science fundamentalist".
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: Fer1527
And yes scientific theories do start as a hypothesis. Only afterwards it is tested and proved, that is exactly my point. What happens is, if we dismiss new hypothesis simply because they are going against the current interpretation of data, you could say science is being held back in a way. That is what I was referring to when I used the term "science fundamentalist".
Fer, from reading your other posts, its quite clear that you believe what you do about science because science does not agree with you that ultra terrestrials exist.
You need to consider, that the same scientists (mainly physicists) who you have formed this opinion of, are in no way similar to the scientists who have proven evolution beyond a shadow of a doubt. In fact it would be like you having issues with your family doctor, because your dentist botched an extraction.
As has been explained to you, "Evolution as presented in the Modern Evolutionary Synthesis is one of, if not the, most thoroughly researched, cited and verifiable theories in the history of science. " (peter vlar)
You should think about that, because you are throwing the baby out with the ultraterrestrial bathwater, because being an evolution denier allies you with creationists who are the only group still denying it, because "Bible"
Also, posts full of opinion are rarely of any value, if you have a position, support it with links, otherwise it becomes clear that your position is just willfull ignorance
This link you should find helpful
www.dummies.com...
originally posted by: Fer1527
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: Fer1527
And yes scientific theories do start as a hypothesis. Only afterwards it is tested and proved, that is exactly my point. What happens is, if we dismiss new hypothesis simply because they are going against the current interpretation of data, you could say science is being held back in a way. That is what I was referring to when I used the term "science fundamentalist".
Fer, from reading your other posts, its quite clear that you believe what you do about science because science does not agree with you that ultra terrestrials exist.
You need to consider, that the same scientists (mainly physicists) who you have formed this opinion of, are in no way similar to the scientists who have proven evolution beyond a shadow of a doubt. In fact it would be like you having issues with your family doctor, because your dentist botched an extraction.
As has been explained to you, "Evolution as presented in the Modern Evolutionary Synthesis is one of, if not the, most thoroughly researched, cited and verifiable theories in the history of science. " (peter vlar)
You should think about that, because you are throwing the baby out with the ultraterrestrial bathwater, because being an evolution denier allies you with creationists who are the only group still denying it, because "Bible"
Also, posts full of opinion are rarely of any value, if you have a position, support it with links, otherwise it becomes clear that your position is just willfull ignorance
This link you should find helpful
www.dummies.com...
I didn't quite deny evolution. If you've been reading my other posts, you'll see that I actually think creationism and evolution can be compatible.
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originally posted by: Fer1527
I am not stating everything is wrong at all, and of course hard facts can't be dismissed, they're there, they're real. But the theories that try to explain those facts are created by people, and people fail, regardless of their best efforts and of scientific progress. Anything should be taken with a grain of salt, even the theories scientists come up with.
No matter how well you explain it, science fundamentalists will always respond with shoving "sources" from other narrow minded folk to ridicule your statements.
Like I said before, start reading more carefully. I didn't claim the sun revolves around the Earth. I am saying the people who believed that used the same arguments you do. You're trying too hard to make me look irrational.
And yes scientific theories do start as a hypothesis. Only afterwards it is tested and proved, that is exactly my point. What happens is, if we dismiss new hypothesis simply because they are going against the current interpretation of data, you could say science is being held back in a way. That is what I was referring to when I used the term "science fundamentalist".