The Bigger the Lie..Media Bias on Scottish Independence

a reply to: uncommitted


This is an article I BEG Scottish people read. It is a letter from an older Scottish guy who lived through 2 (TWO) failed tries at Scottish Independence. We had the devolution referendum in May 1979, we had the devolution referendum in May 1979 under the Callaghan Labour government and all the Westminster parties promised new powers for Scotland if we voted No, SCOTLAND WE WERE LIED TO TWICE. This letter is from a man who lost EVERYTHING.

This is the letter, it’s long, but PLEASE, educate yourself on the past, educate yourself on the past lies from Westminster. Difference this time is the SNP are behind us. Be you like the SNP or not they got us here. We can’t be fooled 3 times Scotland. We would be called the stupidest people on EARTH if we fell for this again. WESTMINSTER LIES. EDUCATE, DEBATE, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. SCOTLAND READ THIS DAMN LETTER AND DO NOT LET THE REST OF US DOWN. THIS IS A TRUTH YOU CAN READ THEN GO GOOGLE! SCOTLAND WE MUST BE BRAVE !

Letter

A SCOTSMAN’S DREAM.
I love Scotland, because I was born there, went to school there, worked there, my children were born there, and I met the love of my life there. Someday, my ashes will be scattered there too. However, I had no easy start in life being born in 1947 in the East End of Glasgow in a Bridgeton slum with an outside toilet shared by the neighbours. I shared that one roomed flat (single end) with my brother and parents for four years. Like so many poor working class people who endured bad conditions in the Glasgow slums, my family succumbed to the dreaded Glasgow disease TB. My father, brother and me were shipped to sanatoriums, only my mother escaped. I spent a year in hospital from the age of four. The reason I share this with my F.B. friends is to highlight the fact that many Scottish people have suffered hardships in the past because this Union we are locked into has maintained an iron grip on Scotland and limited our ability to change our lives.
Hardship and poverty is therefore not a new thing for Scottish families, it has been going on for years and years, and it is still going on today. When I was a child there was no food banks for the poor, everyone had to make the best of it, difficult as it was. At School I was made to stand in a line at school meal times with the other children who had free meal passes until the paying kids were served and then we were allowed to be fed. I remember the humiliation I felt then as though it was yesterday. Consequently, I can empathise with those Scots who now rely on food banks to feed their family. A small child knows nothing of its surroundings and adapts better than adults do, but that is no excuse to allow child poverty to continue and escalate in Scotland today. Neither is it pertinent to point out that there are poorer people elsewhere in the world as if that makes the level of poverty we have in Scotland acceptable.
Back then when I was a boy there was no established SNP, no vision of escape from the system that kept us locked into the situation we found ourselves in. Nevertheless, there burned a resentment for change in the breasts of many and I was one of them, young as I was. I had a great teacher at school whose eloquence and pertinacity to teach Scottish history introduced me to my country’s past. I learned then that my people had been suffering long before my own humble beginnings and had suffered much greater hardships, even death at the hands of our supposed partner in this unholy Union of Unequals. The seed was sown then in my young mind and has grown steadily ever since for Scottish independence.
I left school at fifteen, and got a job in engineering, but throughout my working life I saw one great manufacturing company in Scotland close, one after the other.
We had the devolution referendum in May 1979 under the Callaghan Labour government and all the Westminster parties promised new powers for Scotland if we voted No. I remember how excited I was as a young man of 32 with a young family that at last Scotland would have a political wedge between us and London. Despite winning 52% of the vote we were denied devolution by Westminster when a Labour MP George Cunningham, a Scot from an English constituency proposed the unprecedented 40% rule that the Labour government eagerly accepted. This stipulation had never been employed in British government elections before, but they used it on Scotland. They moved the goalposts on us because they could, such is the power of Westminster.
The Tories under Lord Hume had promised to address the concerns of Scots if they voted No and devolve more powers to the Scottish Secretary, the de-facto Governor General of Scotland. But his pledge wasn’t honoured when Thatcher came to power months later after she deposed Ted Heath. The lesson learned from 1979, was that we Scots cannot trust Westminster promises to Scotland, and we must never forget it.
Scotland then endured 18 years of hell when Thatcher systematically destroyed the industrial heart of our country. I remember when Rootes of Linwood closed in 1981; people thought it would never happen because it was so big. But it did. 13,000 lost their jobs as a direct and indirect consequences of the closure because Westminster wanted to cease car manufacturing in Scotland, and offered no help. There was no Scottish devolved government then to save the plant like Alex Salmond did with the Grangemouth refinery in 2013.
After Linwood, many more institutions that were bastions of employment in Scotland were destined to follow suit. Thatcher demonised the miners as the “Enemy Within” because they had the audacity to challenge her authority in trying to save their industry. The coal industry was destroyed in an act of vengeance against the miners for what they inflicted on the Tory government in 1972 &1974. But Thatcher was only getting started. When Scott Lithgow closed in Greenock, it paralysed that town and the neighbouring Port Glasgow, because it employed so many of their citizens; the place was like a ghost town for years afterwards. But, the yards of the Lower Clyde were not to be alone. The Upper Clyde shipyards soon followed, and one after another the shipyards that had made Glasgow and created so many iconic ships closed. Thousands of our skilled men and women were thrown on the ever rising scrap heap of unemployment.
Lots of other areas of Scotland followed Glasgow’s fate at the hands of the English Tories who continued to rule over us. Irvine, Bathgate, and Methyl all suffered, as did Uddingston in 1987 when the giant Caterpillar tractor plant closed, with the loss of 1200 jobs. Thatcher didn’t raise a finger to save any of them. I was around to see them all turned into rubble. Our fishing community was also decimated when Thatcher traded the Scottish waters to the EU in exchange for her rebate. The fisherman might hate the EU these days, but it was the Westminster Tories that sold their industry down the river and removed their birthright.
But Westminster was not finished with destroying what was left of our engineering heartland. They turned their eyes to the profitable Ravenscraig Steelworks, the only steel producer in Scotland. Despite having a world reputation for quality and the longest strip mill in Europe, Westminster decide

a reply to: shauny

You make it sound like Scotland had an " exclusive " on going through tough times.

It didn't.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

What if say? The Bank Of Scotland became the English version of the Bank of England and regulated the pound?
All these countries using the £ are 1:1 ratio with the British Pound. Keep in mind, Queen stays head of state when we are free on Thursday, so we can use her Royal Mind, Royal Post Office, Her Majesty's Prison System. Anything with Auld Liz's mug on it is fair game for Scotland. You didn't think Salmond agreed to keep the Royals to keep Glasgow Rangers Football Club happy did you?

I don't know where people get this. #HopeOverFear
Free us from this criminal lying cheating Union then, with all due respect, we have 18 Months for the Political Parties to get Manifestos together. The White Paper was a guide, it won't be the SNP's Manifesto.

I can see and understand your comment my friend, but myth after myth I will show it as just that buddy

Peace

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: shauny

Having an ex convict on the team always add something to aim at.

Tommy is still standing, I'll remind you where the News of the World is...In the Gutter where it belongs. That story is not finished by a longshot.

It's interesting how he spoke to much on Sunday about Scotland being such a deep socialist country when socialist web sites don't seem very keen on him....

www.wsws.org...

a reply to: shauny

Why do you expect me to read and respond to such populist drivel? People from any country/county/city could do something similar.

Never any mention of Scargills role in destroying the UK coal industry is there? Why? I guess because it's more popular to blame the evil that is Westminster, eh?

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: shauny

Having an ex convict on the team always add something to aim at.

He was on the politics show (BBC) on Sunday. Nice how he believes Scotland wants a socialist government when the last time around he garnered 8,000 votes only.

Actually, in this case the BBC did show bias because the interview with him can't have done many favours to the moderate part of the Yes campaign.

A plastic socialist.

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Scotland has 100 years of Oil left, Westminster has 4 days worth left.

a reply to: alldaylong

This is VERY relevant to why we need to get our buddy. And I hate posting it, but I proved it at ShaunyNews 100 times and the British Media went with the story also. Anyone can Google it. Are these the Criminals you mean?



The Tory Prime Minister is said to have held a meeting with a rising star, who was tipped for promotion, and told him: “You have to clean up your sexual act”
The Tory Prime Minister is said to have held a meeting with a rising star, who was tipped for promotion, and told him: “You have to clean up your sexual act”
Margaret Thatcher personally covered up child abuse ­allegations made against one of her senior ministers, according to explosive new claims. The Sunday People reports Tory Prime Minister is said to have held a high-powered meeting with the rising star, who was being tipped for promotion, and told him: “You have to clean up your sexual act.” It followed an allegation that the minister had sexually abused young boys at the home of one of his political allies in 1982. However the minister apparently ignored the warnings. It is claimed that four years later he was spotted by police seeking young boys for sex at Victoria railway station in London. But no action was taken. The extraordinary claims – made to the Sunday People by a source with inside knowledge of Scotland Yard in the early 1980s – are now expected to be put before the Westminster child abuse ­inquiry announced last week by the Prime Minister. They go to the very heart of claims that there was an Establishment cover-up to protect politicians , judges and police officers involved in a sick ­paedophile network. David Cameron has already agreed to a full-scale investigation into historical allegations of child abuse.

He has appointed Lady Butler-Sloss, a retired senior judge who chaired the Cleveland child abuse inquiry in the late 1980s, to head the investigation. And although the probe is in its ­infancy, its findings could be explosive – particularly if evidence emerges that a former Prime Minister knew about the allegations. Labour MP Tom Watson said: “If true, these extraordinary ­revelations reveal a remarkable state of affairs – so much so that they’re almost impossible to imagine. “Yet that is what people said about Jimmy Savile and look what happened with him. “These claims should be investigated by the new child-abuse inquiry.”

shaunynews.com... for-tories-and-westminster-hard/

According to the source, the minister’s alleged interest in abusing young boys first came to light after he stayed at the home of a constituency agent. The agent, responsible for ­securing local election success for the Tory MP, is believed to have alerted authorities. A high-level meeting involving then Prime Minister Mrs Thatcher, Home Secretary Willie Whitelaw, a senior ­policeman and an MI5 officer was held to discuss his alleged behaviour. The minister, according to the source, was then summoned to 10 Downing Street. But, instead of being disciplined or sacked, the minister was warned about his future behaviour and the matter was swept under the carpet. Four years later, fresh allegations surfaced.

In 1986, the politician was alleged to have been found seeking rent boys in the men’s toilets at Victoria railway station in central London. The toilets were the target of an undercover sting by Scotland Yard detectives. Officers approached the minister and warned him about his behaviour. It is believed a report was filed by a CID officer. Our source says this information was relayed personally to him at the time by Alec Marnoch, a highly respected police officer and Operations Commander of the Yard’s No 8 Area which covers Westminster and the West End. Mr Marnoch, who died aged 58 in 1999 soon after his retirement, also ­intimated to the source that police working in Piccadilly Circus had got a report of the same politician importuning at one of London’s most notorious rent-boy haunts – the “chicken rack”. The “chicken rack” was a set of metal railings close to Piccadilly underground station which was a vice hotspot in the 1980s. Boys as young as 13 waited there to be picked up by men for sex – often VIPs such as politicians, TV stars or even policemen. Scotland Yard was unable to confirm whether the politician had been named in connection with either the “chicken rack” or Victoria Station. A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: “We will fully co-operate with the panel chaired by Baroness Butler-Sloss and provide detail of relevant information.

“While these and live police investigations are ongoing it would be inappropriate to comment further.” The Sunday People has been leading the way since Mr Watson first stunned Parliament and PM David Cameron in October 2012 with claims of a high-profile paedophile network with links to 10 Downing Street. Since breaking the story, we have produced a string of exclusives about the alleged VIP paedophile ring and reveal how far it reached. We first revealed the existence of the “Dickens dossier” which was ­handed to then Home Secretary Leon Brittan. Its disappearance has prompted the Butler-Sloss inquiry. The dossier, compiled by now-dead MP Geoffrey Dickens , contained information that would blow the lid off a secret VIP paedophile network, according to Mr Dickens’s son Barry. He says that in the weeks after his father submitted the dossier, the family’s home was twice “professionally” burgled. The Home Office admits there is no trace of the dossier and that 114 “potentially relevant files” have been destroyed or lost. The Home Office was forced to defend Baroness Butler-Sloss, 80, after it was claimed she buried allegations about a bishop from a child-abuse review in 2011. She reportedly told a victim she did not want to include the allegations in a review of how the Church of England dealt with two paedophile priests because she “cared about the Church” and “the Press would love a bishop”. A Home Office spokesman said: “The integrity of Baroness Butler-Sloss is beyond reproach and we stand by her appointment unreservedly.”

a reply to: shauny


Sorry but quoting " The Sunday People " is as bad as quoting " The News Of The World "

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a reply to: uncommitted

Tommy got 8,000 votes in a Scotland attached to Britain. In a free Scotland we won't have a Tory again. We have more Pandas at Edinburgh Zoo than we do Tory Politicians at Hollyrood.
Tommy has build a HUGE fan base covering the country with his #HopeOverFear tour.
It does what it says on the tin mate. Hope, no fear.
Labour are GONE in Scotland, they have went from a party for the working class to a party that stands with Tory lies.
Remember this one?

FEAR TACTICS START – We’ll put guards on Scottish border: Ed Miliband



PASSPORTS WOULD HAVE TO BE SHOWN AT THE ENGLISH BORDER NO MATTER WHAT!! THIS IS A SCARE TACTIC, DON’T FALL FOR IT SCOTLAND! IT WOULD COST MILLIONS TO PUT A TOLL THERE AND THEY KNOW THEY CAN’T AFFORD TO DO THIS IN THE WAY MILIBAND IS SAYING! DON’T FALL FOR THIS CRAP! QUEEN IS STILL HEAD OF STATE IN A FREE SCOTLAND! SO PLEASE, GET THIS NEWS VIRAL, THE SCARE TACTICS START “NO” WE ARE 51% AHEAD, WE ARE DOING IT, THEY ARE LOSING OIL!

Ed Miliband today issues the stark threat that manned border posts could be introduced if Scotland backs independence in next week’s historic vote. With just 11 days to go until the referendum – and polls showing growing momentum for Alex Salmond’s nationalists – the Labour leader has urged voters to face up to the consequences of severing the 300-year-old Union. ‘If you don’t want borders, vote to stay in the United Kingdom,’ Mr Miliband said in an interview with today’s Scottish Mail on Sunday. Asked whether that would mean him introducing border guards and passport checks if he was Prime Minister, Mr Miliband warned: ‘It would have to be looked at.’ And Mr Miliband’s spokesman added last night: ‘The last time I looked there were two sides to the border – and we would be in charge of one of them. It would be up to us, not Mr Salmond, to secure our northern border.’

The prospect was raised as a shock poll showed that 51 per cent of Scots would vote ‘Yes’ to going it alone with just 49 per cent saying ‘No’. The results of the YouGov survey means that the ‘Yes’ campaign has overturned a 22-point lead within a month. Until now, Mr Salmond’s SNP has insisted that a separate Scotland would be part of a common, free movement area with the rest of the UK and Ireland. But a Downing Street source backed Mr Miliband, saying: ‘All the research shows that if there is a material difference between the immigration policy adopted by an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK, then border controls would have to be introduced.’ It raises the extraordinary prospect of drivers having to stop at manned barriers on the borders to show their passports.

With the latest opinion polls showing Mr Miliband on course to win May’s General Election, a Labour Government could be in charge of negotiating Scotland’s passage to independence by March 2016 if the referendum returns a ‘Yes’ vote. The SNP dismissed the idea of border controls as a ‘scare story’, but Mr Miliband’s advisers say it is not an idle threat: a secret memo drawn up by the Foreign Office in 2009 warned that a secure border would have to be established to protect the ‘remaining UK’ if an independent Scotland applied to join the EU. All new EU members are obliged to accept the Schengen open borders scheme, meaning travellers from the continent would be free to fly into Scotland without immigration checks. But Britain has opted out of the scheme, and erects border controls to vet travellers from Schengen countries, raising the prospect of a new Hadrian’s Wall between the two nations. New border posts would cause chaos for travellers and prove to be hugely damaging to business. The 95-mile border, which runs from Lamberton on the east coast to the Solway Firth in the west, cuts through 21 roads, including two major trunk routes, the A1 and M74.

No idle threat by Mr Miliband: A memo drawn up by the Foreign Office in 2009 warned that a secure border would have to be established to protect the ‘remaining UK’ if an independent Scotland applied to join the EU
A total of 23 million vehicle crossings a year are made on the roads, in addition to seven million passenger journeys on the West Coast and East Coast railway lines. If controls were set up, immigration staff could man barriers on the roads while the train terminals would have to install checks similar to those adopted by Eurostar. Last night former Labour Home Secretary David Blunkett echoed Mr Miliband’s warning by referring to last week’s riots in Calais when immigrants attempted to storm a ferry. ‘Were the Scots to vote “Yes” to separation, the issue of border controls and the threat of entry through Scottish ports and airports would take on serious proportions,’ Mr Blunkett told The Mail on Sunday.

‘This is one issue that has not yet emerged as a key part of the debate over Scotland’s future. There is much at stake and little sign of Government action in response.’ Panic spread through the ‘No’ campaign last week after an opinion poll showed that its lead over the nationalists had shrunk to just six points, with support for Mr Salmond’s position up by eight points in a month. Mr Cameron is happy to let Mr Miliband make the running for the pro-Union campaign as Labour supporters make up a large proportion of the ‘undecided’ voters. The Prime Minister paid his annual visit to the Queen at Balmoral yesterday, but accepted the advice of Palace aides not to join her at the Braemar Games in case it was seen as ‘politicising’ the Monarch. It is also in Mr Miliband’s interest to defeat the nationalists: if Scottish voters had been excluded from the last Election, Mr Cameron would have won a clear Westminster majority without the need for a Coalition. The scale of Labour fears over a possible ‘Yes’ vote was laid bare yesterday when the party’s English and Welsh MPs were told to get up to Scotland to save the Union. In an email to all Labour MPs, Chief Whip Rosie Winterton revealed that Labour had booked scores of train tickets to get them to go north of the border before the referendum. In his interview, Mr Miliband also mentioned his ‘personal connection’ with Scotland – his father, Ralph, was stationed at Inverkeithing, Fife, during the Second World War. ‘The rest of the UK would be much weaker without Scotland. It matters for reasons of heart and for head,’ he said.

Former Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy urged fellow ‘No’ campaigners to hold their nerve, saying: ‘There is a flavour of detail and substance being swept aside in a tide of emotion and exclusive patriotism. It is a dangerous time for the No campaign.’ Asked about Mr Miliband’s remarks, a spokesman for Yes Scotland said: ‘There will be no border posts between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK. ‘The No campaign will say anything to try to scare people into throwing away this unique opportunity to put our future into our own hands. They’ll always put what’s right for Westminster above what’s best for Scotland. Border posts manned by guards take the prize for one of the sillier scare stories.’

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Scotland has 100 years of Oil left, Westminster has 4 days worth left.

Who let you take a look at the legally binding " Long Term Contracts" that where drawn up between The U.K. Government and The Oil Companies. Where did it say those contracts expire on Friday 19th September 2014 ?

Please tell.

a reply to: alldaylong

Read it as you please buddy.
I get paid to cover this story, I have to know the facts.
I give you proof, you change the subject lol..

I have no beef with you buddy, I respect opinions. But educated ones, opinions with principles, ideas with logic.
All I hear a lot of the time is "Ahh but what if this happens or that happens"
In the Union we know life gets worse, in a Free Scotland we DO have the resources to make a new Scotland
149 Nations have freed themselves since 1951 I believe..All are fine, good countries and didn't need or want to go back.

Google it mate

a reply to: uncommitted

Did you really say that? My Father's, Father was Scargill's left hand man.
That is outrageous statement my friend and one you can't back up

Why do you think Britain had a party when Thatcher died? I never, I don't dance and party when anyone dies. I know a lot of Unison old guard and old Union workers, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Thatcher killed the Mining industry, the Clyde's ship building went at the cost of 10's of thousands of Jobs. She privatised anything British that moved and here we have Cameron wanting to sell the NHS. Do you really want the Status Quo for your kids, their kids and Scotland in 100 years from now.

I vote yes for these my two daughters, 4 and 5 years old..
My daughters. I don't them to grow up doing a YTS or something like I did.
I am not voting for my reasons, I am voting for what is right for Scotland and I have came to the point where I just don't read or listen to the media any more. Lies and more lies. Threats of Border Guards, Cameron saying Scotland is more likely to have a terrorist attack. Come on mate, open you mind just a little.

With the utmost respect

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Hope you know french here a almost 3 hours film on it
Part 1

Part 2

a reply to: shauny

Your posts are increasingly rabid and anti English. That's fine, nice to see the real side of some people I guess.

It's interesting, you also show the lie to what some people are saying which is that the vote isn't a political one. If you believe Labour are finished in Scotland and Conservatives would never get in, then you are suggesting that a Yes vote by default must be a vote for the SNP?

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Scotland has 100 years of Oil left, Westminster has 4 days worth left.

And that is FACT! The oil where Faslane is will be drilled and run, help Scotland become a county like Norway, Finland and all the other Northern European countries. You know Norway has the best standard of living on earth?

Well said that man!

a reply to: shauny

Ask the NUM members who believe he led them to ruin. You are just following the same lies.

I wouldn't post pictures of your family on here, but that's your business.

My mind is open, I'm afraid yours is the one that has the agenda.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: shauny

You make it sound like Scotland had an " exclusive " on going through tough times.

It didn't.

Scotland didn't go through hard times? Do you live in Scotland? I don't think you do.

This graph has gotten worse and will get worse in the Union. You can't argue this point mate. Surely

a reply to: alldaylong

I knew this would happen...
So. I am only showing you so you know. I am not into Urinating contests my friend. You say the People is rubbish..So I give you more print media who carried the story. I am sure you will have a belting come back















I can do this all day, I have had my head in this story for several years.
If you as a Scotsman want to remain with these criminal, power hungry, think they can do what they wan't, sell the NHS to their friends Eton chaps. Then vote no. I have morals, I vote yes. For them 2 kids I posted. My Daughters.

a reply to: uncommitted

I have English Family and Friends. A lot of Family in Ashington, Newcastle.
I have an issue with Westminster rule my friend. How about Scotland votes and gets a Government (Britain) we vote for?
You are putting words in my mouth as you have no real argument. I have given you more proof than you need to prove Westminster is corrupt.

If you want to put words in my mouth and guess, I can't do a thing about it.
I don't hate with debate nor do I debate in hate.

I ask you not guess on me please. You insult me with that statement that I am Anti-English.
I am Anti-Westminster for ALL the reasons I have added. If you are trying to get this thread closed because you are all out of debate and real reason, go for it.

Respect my friend