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I have to disagree, they are not the same. Hezbollah is Shiite and the others are Sunni...huge difference
originally posted by: irishchic
I have no idea "if" all of this is "real" or "staged..."
I DO know hoever that if some asshat in black was about to saw my head off?
I sure wouldn't be calmly spewing words and leaning back as he began his grisly task,I'd be a raving maniac and fighting it out until I had no more breath to fight with!
That also goes for saying a few genuine and authentic "words", not the crap that's being spewed...
originally posted by: grandmakdw
Americans care about civilians, but when the civilian goes purposely to a "war" type zone and purposely "engages" with the enemy, by reporting on them. They have put themselves in a situation where awful things can happen to them, they are grown men and know what they are getting themselves into. Not that what happened wasn't horrific and evil, it's just they put themselves in a position where they knew this could happen, and so it gets less sympathy than the Islamic State is looking for.
So this tactic doesn't really play with a great number of Americans.
originally posted by: loam
Well, it looks like it's not just Obama they taunt.
ISIS Threatens Putin, Caliphate In Chechnya; Kadyrov Responds "You Will Be Destroyed"
I guess ISIS is an equal opportunity taunter.
According to Morris, the KBG determined the kidnapping to be the work of the Shiite Muslim group known as Hezbollah, or Party of God. This was the same radical pro-Iranian faction that figured so belligerently in the mass hostage-taking from the TWA airliner at Beirut Airport last June.
Unlike the approach the United States used to resolve the TWA crisis, however, the Soviets did not bother negotiating with Hezbollah through Nabih Berri, Lebanon's justice minister and leader of the Shiite Amal militia.
Instead, the KGB kidnapped a man they knew to be a close relative of a prominent Hezbollah leader. They then castrated him and sent the severed organs to the Hezbollah official, before dispatching the unfortunate kinsman with a bullet in the brain.
In addition to presenting him with this grisly proof of their seriousness, the KGB operatives also advised the Hezbollah leader that they knew the indentities of other close relatives of his, and that he could expect more such packages if the three Soviet diplomats were not freed immediately.
The message was a lot more extreme than Ronald Reagan's vague allusions to using "Rambo next time," but the swift release of the three remaining hostages indicated that the Hezbollah big shot couldn't handle having terror shoved back in his face.
Post reporter Morris quoted unidentified observers in Jerusalem as noting:
"This is the way the Soviets operate. They do things - they don't talk.
"And this is the language the Hezbollah understand."
originally posted by: TexasSeabee
Why is it we grossly underestimate our enemies in the world? These people are well financed and educated. They have access to internet obviously and know how to use facebook, twitter, and so on without being banned or tracked while using it. Lets get past the idea they are sandsuckers living under rocks.
Why do you think they have no idea how the people feel about Obama? in my opinion they know that and are trting to use it as an advantage. If they direct more hate to obama then the US could very likely destroy itself. And we know there are IS sympathizers here since at least 2 US citizens have died fighting for IS. They know how people react emotionally and they are using that knowledge very well i would have to say. They have you convinced the government is behind it and have you against your own countrymen. They might actually have people on this very site participating in this nonsense.
Stop thinking the US is the center of the universe and is doing everything in the world. You give the government too much credit. Evil people exist, and they have for thousands of years. Its time to accept the fact that sometimes things are pretty much what they look like. Keep ignoring these facts, keep blaming the government for everything and IS may indeed raise a flag over the white house while we keep pointing fingers at each other. You all sit here and come up with this solution or that solution while thinking no one else in this population 7 billion can even come close to thinking through a situation or even looking up stuff on the internet. O thats right the middle east is a bunch of cave men with no tv or computers, or electricity for that matter.
originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: Quauhtli
Wow, great post, starred.
I'm a secular scientist, and I don't regularly spew religious stuff. But at the same time, I know Gold when I see it. There's a story that appears in Jewish, Christian, and Muslim traditions in different forms. I won't choose a form because I don't know what in the end is really holy. Instead I will post a version of it from a songwriter who nobody thinks is holy. It is here:
www.youtube.com...
Whatever it is in the end, there is a supreme force in this world, and it has shown its force again and again. What I can promise is those who try to build a wall against this force will be struck down, those who stick with it in their moral struggles will be exalted. This is my message to all parties involved: Stick to what is right, fight as you do, (for even just war is holy) but don't rest your bets on the idea of depravity and violence shaping anything at all. They won't, the real force in this world is way above all that. Instead fight with the moral force, be the best people you can be. Moral gold is true gold.
Peace, and forgive what you see as my craziness! -me
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: 8675309jenny
We've somehow lost the ability to fight a war successfully. I only opine because you used one of my quotes in your OP so I felt that my view needed to be expanded a bit.
We fight now, to win hearts and minds. PC has no place on the battlefield and yet, it is PC that is dictating our actions.
War is killing the other side to the point where they either surrender or there is no-one left.
We don't fight that way any longer.
Yet the other side does.
originally posted by: irishchic
I have no idea "if" all of this is "real" or "staged..."
I DO know hoever that if some asshat in black was about to saw my head off?
I sure wouldn't be calmly spewing words and leaning back as he began his grisly task,I'd be a raving maniac and fighting it out until I had no more breath to fight with!
That also goes for saying a few genuine and authentic "words", not the crap that's being spewed...
I know of someone who is friends with the alleged victim's family in Florida first hand and the family has been under a "gag order" for over a year...
It's ugly any way you color it!
originally posted by: AnonymousCitizen
Does anyone else think that the two beheadings were recorded the same day? I am willing to bet there were several beheadings, all taped the same time and ISIS is just controlling their release.
Thoughts?