2.3 Million American Children + 1.5(mil) Workers HUNGRY and going HOMELESS (6 month UE Limit)

reply to post by Infinitis


Here's the problem.

You are assuming that it's somehow the fault of those people because of what they have.

That's the faulty assumption that wealth is one finite pie when it's not.

Think of it this way - If I grow a tomato plant to sell the tomatoes, any money I make is wealth I created by my own initiative. It would not have existed had I not grown the plant, harvested the tomatoes, and sold them. Your presumption of wealth being finite would hold that because I grew those tomatoes, I somehow stole them from someone else, somewhere, but that's impossible. The plant wouldn't have existed without me growing it and putting in the effort to make something of it.

And nothing stops you or anyone else from doing likewise.

At least nothing in a free market does.

The problem is that we no longer have a free market.

BritofTexas
reply to post by ketsuko

 

Nobody buys that Snake Oil anymore.

Employers are not hiring because getting fewer Employees to work more for less is highly profitable.

They are only looking at the bottom line on a balance sheet every quarter. "Looking Ahead" for them, is only three months.

As a business analyst for the largest O2 provider in the USA. I can assure you what Ketsuko has explained in his post is EXACTLY what we have been discussing for the last 4 months.

Until the rules are set and long term accurate forecasting of revenue margins established (which is my job); we are under a "hiring freeze", with no new jobs allowed to be added until after the discussions have been determined in Washington and I can produce the data to management necessary to make an informed decision on hiring.

No hiring.
No raises.

If you don't like it, good luck finding a better job out there that will hire you.

If you are the owner of a business, you would fail very quickly if you operated in the manner you accuse all corporate America to be utilizing.

God Bless,

There are PLENTY of jobs out there. It's all over the news. Plus Obama said so and the government statistics confirm. I think those people are just lazy. They like to sit at home, collect that BIG check and watch their lives fall apart piece by piece.

If you could get a fraction of what you're making now, for FREE?, wouldn't you prefer to do that too? Just imagine the fun of watching your friends and families go to work like fools, while you go hungry and lose everything you have. And if living the unemployed high life gets too boring for you, you can always go out and grab one of those minimum wage jobs people keep recommending. You'll still get to lose your home and watch your family starve, but at least society will approve of you.

reply to post by ElohimJD


Yep, that's what my husband's company has a policy of right now, too. "Do more with less" all across the board. Even getting approval to hire a temp is like pulling teeth.

reply to post by BritofTexas


Im in my twenties and make 6 figures. Im not saying that to compare d size, but my belief in hard and smart work isn't some conservative entertainment, its my reality. So continue to cry and make excuses while I enjoy my weekend.

reply to post by slunteri

I wouldnt hire somebody who couldn't draw that distinction. So stop whining and face the music. There isn't some grand conspiracy, the unemployable are just inferior to others. Life is tough.

Dear (insert deity), please let this person lose all of his/her income long enough for them to realize how callous and stupid the above paragraph is. Let him/her, be humiliated and sufficiently humble enough to realize that he/she is NO different than his neighbor. Let he/she eat every single word of the above paragraph, and when the time comes, let him/her be told "the employable are just inferior to others. Life is tough" ..please I beg you to allow us to see such perfect poetry and irony!


Don't flatter yourself into thinking you're special or superior to others just because you have a gig. In the business world, you're just a statistic. EASILY replaceable. NOTHING special at all and you're not fooling anybody here. Instead, you should consider yourself fortunate and make the most of it while you still got it. You get a big thumbs down from me.

NiZZiM
reply to post by Infinitis

 

anyone can find a job that pays more than unemployment in 4 months or less. Seriously a year of saying you can't find a job?? look on craigslist there plenty listed. We all saw what the unemployed did when Wal-Mart helped them out and let them use their cards when the system went down, they basically looted the store!

Sure, if you were making minimum wage! If you were making dramatically more than minimum wage, you're not likely to find the same salary. We have an entire generation of under employed.

There plenty of gigs on CL, most are scams...

Is it peach or cherry flavored? That Kool-Aid you're drinking by the gallon?

Derek

reply to post by onequestion


Not true. My husbands been on unemployment, due to a stroke he had this past summer.....he is only 38. Unemployment runs out in a week. He didn't even have it for a year, & he's been doing the same work for 22 years.....unfortunately, it's outdoor work, and this is one of the worse winters we have had in recent history....it's an everyday struggle to feed our 2 young boys, we do what we can but living day to day instead of week to week. NEVER expected him to have a stroke at 38!! I've said this in past posts, those that have read my posts...you never know what a persons circumstance is, those on unemployment....We need this economy to change.

reply to post by j.r.c.b.


I wish I could hold out much hope, but it's not going to change for the better anytime soon. The current regime is not interested in jobs.

reply to post by ketsuko


Agreed....We get all the protein we can into our two growing boys, but geez, the price of steak, even milk, has really gone up......sad.....It's the little things like I just mentioned, that are just gut wrenching, when your hungry....We ALWAYS be sure to feed the boys first, fill up their little Bellies, before we eat....times are tough, at least I hope come spring, it will change for us a bit...I sure hope it does for others struggling, cause I wouldn't wish this on anyone!!

onequestion
reply to post by oblvion

 

Its 1.5 million out of 100 million people not working.

If this is the first cut, its nothing. This cut is childs play to the real cuts coming.

It's 1.5 million added to the millions already suffering. You're right, child's play to what's coming but also child's play to what's already happening. The Great Divide continues to widen and it's going to get ugly real soon.

reply to post by ElohimJD

Until the rules are set and long term accurate forecasting of revenue margins established (which is my job); we are under a "hiring freeze", with no new jobs allowed to be added until after the discussions have been determined in Washington and I can produce the data to management necessary to make an informed decision on hiring.

Interesting. So you are pointing out that the inability of Washington to produce sound economic policy is the reason for your companies hiring freeze?

Just how do you figure that? I have never had a real job with a big national/international company for which to understand what you are saying.

You get better team work-produce better products-invest in proven marketing strategies-follow a proven business model-make profits-hire more workers and expand.

How does the gridlock in Washington effect a profitability plan that works? When you say 'revenue margins' are you talking about commodities perhaps and the volatility of pricing for such things as bushels of corn or margins in revenue that would apply if the government expanded a stimulus to the economy and your company received business from this stimulus plan?

What your saying sounds like an advertisement for the wonders of Socialism. Your job is to get information from the government about when your company is going to be 'allowed' to make a profit and hire more workers.

Maybe this is over my head-business wise-and don't feel compelled to explain it all. I have a problem understanding how Legislative branch of the government controls your business the way they do.

reply to post by Visitor2012


You can pray all youd like for me to fail, but I wont. Im better than you. Im self made, from no food poor to attorney.

Tens of thousand of people are hired every day. Do you bottom feeders really believe your name is flagged and theres a conspiracy to keep you out of work? Or, is it more probably that those thousands of people hired every day are better than you?

Keep crying, it feeds me. Schadenfreude.

slunteri
reply to post by Infinitis

 

Why have I never had a problem finding work? Ever. Am I that much better than you?

6 months on unemployment is ridiculous. Cowboy up and do something with yourself other than whining.

I'm happy for you in your successes and that you are fortunate enough to have had those opportunities whenever you have needed them. Good for you. But, there are different reasons for some folks getting stuck in the mud. Here are two;

1) In hard times, some folks are fortunate enough to have many labor skills and can accept any manual job that comes along, but you need to keep in mind that millions of these newly unemployed were born into different circumstances, went to college and learned how to not get their hands dirty. The thought of that drastic a life change is frightening and eventually, the realization may come that they either have to get their hands dirty (with physical labor) or get their hands dirty (turning to easy money in a life of crime.)

2) I live in the north woods of Wisconsin and many old friends who I went to school with went into the construction trade not long out of school and for years they all did pretty well, but when the housing market collapsed you can imagine the hit they took. It hasn't recovered and many of these guys are still hurting. They are in competition with each other for the few jobs out there. Some have turned to other occupations and still struggle in those. And anyone who is from the north where winter's hit pretty hard knows that there are very few jobs this time of the year. That alone makes for Jan. 1 a terrible time to cut off that many folks because now they have no choice but to get to work and the work just isn't there...in my neck of the woods anyways.

There are many points to all this that a person could write a book on, so I'll leave it at that.

Rezlooper

2) I live in the north woods of Wisconsin and many old friends who I went to school with went into the construction trade not long out of school and for years they all did pretty well, but when the housing market collapsed you can imagine the hit they took. It hasn't recovered and many of these guys are still hurting. They are in competition with each other for the few jobs out there. Some have turned to other occupations and still struggle in those. And anyone who is from the north where winter's hit pretty hard knows that there are very few jobs this time of the year. That alone makes for Jan. 1 a terrible time to cut off that many folks because now they have no choice but to get to work and the work just isn't there...in my neck of the woods anyways.

There are many points to all this that a person could write a book on, so I'll leave it at that.

I think many are unwilling to move and in these times a person needs to move to the job and not wait for the job to come to them. I also heard that the main reason for hiring to be flat this year is that employers can not find "skilled" workers. I'm starting to wonder if people are investing their time to get degrees that have no direct connection to a viable skill and so end up being worthless.

reply to post by spooky24


Basically, every change in regulatory policy, every major change in law alters costs at all levels. It all has ripple effects, and until businesses can accurately predict how it will affect their overhead, they are reluctant to risk spending capital in new ventures.

Right now, businesses are eyeballing the EPA's so-called energy policies because on top of skyrocketing cost of benefits, those will make their energy costs soar.

All of that increases overhead, and it means adjusting things in terms of juggling prices and employee load.

slunteri
reply to post by Visitor2012

 

You can pray all youd like for me to fail, but I wont. Im better than you. Im self made, from no food poor to attorney.

Tens of thousand of people are hired every day. Do you bottom feeders really believe your name is flagged and theres a conspiracy to keep you out of work? Or, is it more probably that those thousands of people hired every day are better than you?

Keep crying, it feeds me. Schadenfreude.

Lawyers here in the UK thought the same way as you, they too thought they are better than others, they too thought they would be immune from the effects of austerity.

Then our gov slashed funding for Legal Aid, which shocked the legal profession because it meant no more guaranteed gravy train for lawyers. In recent weeks, we have seen something I have never seen before in this country, and never thought I would see - barristers, lawyers and law firms all protesting how the cuts to Legal Aid will badly affect them and may put many out of business. Legal Aid cases kept many law firms ticking over.

Don't ever be confident in thinking joblessness can't happen to you, you being educated and of the legal profession provides you with no guarantees, not nowdays.

reply to post by slunteri


You do realize that after politicians, lawyers are some of the most disliked people in the country ... right?

You certainly aren't doing much for you profession's reputation.

ElohimJD
As a business analyst for the largest O2 provider in the USA. I can assure you what Ketsuko has explained in his post is EXACTLY what we have been discussing for the last 4 months.
Until the rules are set and long term accurate forecasting of revenue margins established (which is my job); we are under a "hiring freeze", with no new jobs allowed to be added until after the discussions have been determined in Washington and I can produce the data to management necessary to make an informed decision on hiring.
No hiring.
No raises.
If you don't like it, good luck finding a better job out there that will hire you.
If you are the owner of a business, you would fail very quickly if you operated in the manner you accuse all corporate America to be utilizing.
God Bless,

More Snake Oil.

What were you and O2 blaming it on in 2008 before Obama was even elected?

For that matter what have you been blaming declining wages on since 1981?

Thankfully, the workforce is waking up. There's a storm coming.

May your God go with you.

reply to post by doobydoll


I'm employeed, with a job "above" minimum wage and it's still hard as # to get by. I completely agree with you, what the # is the point of living when you spend the majority of that working to barely survive? At some point working so that you can survive becomes pointless to the worker. Ones life can not be boiled down to work and basic essentials or the point of living is lost. The sole purpose of life is not to work.

I fortunetly can get by with my one job. However, I know many can't. No one, in my opinion should have to work more then 40 hours a week to get by.

Hell, medieval peasents didn't have to work as much as the modern man does even though they were worse off for other reasons. Why a medieval peasant got more vacation time than you