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2.3 Million American Children + 1.5(mil) Workers HUNGRY and going HOMELESS (6 month UE Limit)

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posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 09:39 AM
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He says he's an attorney in his 20's. a couple years past the bar. Fresh meat. I'm pretty sure that puts him 1/2 step above pedophile, 2 steps below drug dealer and about 6 yards below a prostitute. Given his attitude I'd say he's a sure-thing to evolve into a politician. These are the people that end up running this country. No wonder everything is circling the drain. I don't EVER quote verse but for this tool I make an exception:

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. --- Proverbs 16:18




posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 09:41 AM
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Rodinus
Hey OP...

There is not just the Good old US of A in the world...

Take a look at ATS statistics... there are other people outside of that wall who are members of ATS that you have built around yourselves?

Just saying...

*prepares anti flame device for anti-world members outside of the USA*

Kindest respects

Rodinus


While I'm not the OP, I'm going to weigh in here.

Agreed. Global problem, and one that is getting worse.

Generally though if you are going to highlight the intricacies of the system gone wrong, it's better to restrain comment to the system that you understand best.



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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slunteri
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You can pray all youd like for me to fail, but I wont. Im better than you. Im self made, from no food poor to attorney.

Tens of thousand of people are hired every day. Do you bottom feeders really believe your name is flagged and theres a conspiracy to keep you out of work? Or, is it more probably that those thousands of people hired every day are better than you?

Keep crying, it feeds me. Schadenfreude.


I am highly skeptical regarding this claim that you are an attorney. You have clearly demonstrated here that you are barely literate and completely untrained in how to formulate and execute even the most basic logical argument.



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 06:57 PM
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Infinitis
For some reason it has come to my attention that very few people realize what is happening with our country's unemployed at this time.

Anyone who has had unemployment benefits for 6 MONTHS or more have been cut off as of December 31.



Wrong...it depends on the duration each state pays.

One state may pay for 12 months or even more. The federal benefits kick in after the state benefits run out. The federal benefits have expired.

Apparently your state only pays for 6 months of unemployment benefits.



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 07:06 PM
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ketsuko
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Correction ... You dont' buy it.

My husband is in a position to do hiring, and he knows it. You can dislike it, but it's the truth. Businesses that are serious about staying in business think years down the road, not months and if they can't predict what their expenses will be, they get awful stingy about expenditures and investments of any kind.


This is true enough.

Then there is also the CBO's report that the "un-Affordable Care Act" will cost the economy 2.3 million jobs and add over a trillion dollars to the debt. Not a bad day's work for a liberal, I say...



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 07:20 PM
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doobydoll

All pay minimum wage and that means still skint and still forced to claim benefits. The only difference is you're busting your buns for it. And so they move the 'goalposts' and now tell you that you now have to get two jobs, or three, or more.


I'll probably get jumped on for this post, but I really am past caring.

edit on 7-2-2014 by doobydoll because: (no reason given)


This is one reason our system and our govt just does not work. The incentives provided are all wrong. There should be incentives that make the choice "work or don't work" simple...rewards working, rather than rewarding those who would just take from the system as long as they can rather than taking a lower paying job.

Virtually all the incentives our govt provides are backwards headed...seriously.

Don't give the man a fish...so he will be dependent on another fish tomorrow. Teach him to fish...perhaps give him a fishing pole, so to speak, until he can support himself and his family.

They start off trying to do something noble and good and it winds up being some stupid exercise in govt BS. For example: The HOV lanes here in Dallas. They cost more in fuel costs and labor costs and upkeep costs than if there were none at all. Noble cause and effed up plan, execution and philosophy does it every time. lol



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 07:45 PM
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I am working full time at decent job, I make well above minimum wage plus OT and full benefits. However I have been out of work in the past. And you sir are absolutely heartless with no empathy in you at all, people like you need to learn empathy the hard way. So I wish you to one day be over forty and be out of work for over 1 year, applying for jobs every day not getting interviews, then finally being forced to get a minimum wage front line part time retail job working crazy shift every day.

Then maybe you will get it.



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 08:02 PM
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I think there is a major aspect here which people either don't understand entirely and from simple lack of experiencing it...or are badly underestimating as a factor with those who can't find work.

Personally, I've been without "official employment" since late 2010. I quit because medical disqualified me, under federal law by very clear guidelines. So..quit or be fired, and I wasn't one to force a situation I wasn't right in, anyway. That cost any possibility I'd see unemployment....and Yes, I did try at the start and it was summarily denied for cause. I'd quit. Enough cause. Claim closed. Bah.

Student loan balances, odd things on the side and the very lucky timing of a few things a long the way have carried this far, but I'm no further from cardboard below overpass than any other average American today. Until very recently, I'd also been unemployed too long to GET employed. (a very part time thing right now at least gets me work ref from my college)

Yeah... You heard that right and I heard it outright more than once but far from enough in usually getting no answer or reply whatsoever. It seems though, the longer you are without work, the less inclined an employer is for being your 'break back into the working world', as one termed it. (sigh) The assumption that I've been sucking off Government UE taps for benefits since then is also working against me for applications, which I've also been told clearly. One can't dispute what one never gets the opportunity to explain the mistaken assumption about. (double sigh)

Now Congress has had some people on continuous unemployment by Federal subsidy of state programs for literal years. Overnight, that ends...and not by design, but because idiots in Congress can't even agree on a catering order for dinner, let alone real legislation.

I'd bet it would be a tad easier to accept if it WAS deliberate. At least then the suffering of the population wouldn't be a literal side effect of political infighting. What a way to hurt so many.....



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 08:33 PM
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But by your own admission, the very people who have been "helping" you with benefits have also been hurting because as you say yourself, and it's perfectly true, the longer you are unemployed in this economy, the less likely an employer is to take a risk on you. So, the longer the government has been keeping people going on benefits, years in some cases, the less employable those people have been becoming.

So, which is worse? Cutting people off or stringing them along and then cutting them off?

It's a no win.

It's really true - a crap minimum wage is better than nothing because at least with the crap minimum wage, you can show that you are employed.



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 08:40 PM
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Infinitis
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If you took the time to read my post you would see that I have found work, and will be moving across the country in order to do so. So please take your comments about Cowboy-ing up somewhere else.

I am concerned about the 10 Million Americans who cannot find work, not you and I who have been blessed (or lucky if you don't believe in God) to have the opportunity to work.

With over 10 Million unemployed, I think there is more of an issue than people not being willing to "Cowboy up"...

edit on 7-2-2014 by Infinitis because: (no reason given)


wow..

a serious pompus ass with no regards to looking outside your own lil cubical or even regarding there might be a problem ...

so .. cowboy up and put on your big boy panties and listen to what is being said, FROM those of us that are in the trenches...



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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What benefits did I say I was getting here? I have no medi- coverage and if I get sick...I've gotten quite skilled at self medicating with over the counter things. Trucking did that too, but lack of choices in my current full time student situation makes it a way of life.

Student Loans? Ummm.... People who see those as benefits, frankly, need to avoid college. I'm not really kidding either. That approach (and I do see it at school myself) is how people never graduate and have a mountain of debt, working Mc Donalds level jobs. Student loans are what pay my mortgage and basic bills with whatever else I can pick up for work.....and I'll literally spend the rest of my adult life, paying that back. It's simple math to come to that conclusion and alternatives make this the best path, despite that.


For those who were on benefits and the full boat load attached to Unemployment? The way to cut it off would have been, AT LEAST, in a staggered way for numbers. How in the heck could ANY job market absorb what just got dropped out a window to catch ...with no warning? This was ill conceived and insanely destructive through negligence of Congress on every level.

I'd be looking at reform debate (and reform is absolutely necessary when our economy starts to improve) except this is about negligence leading to a totally unintended consequence of pain to millions. It transcends why or how they were on what was suddenly cut, IMO.



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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Sorry, I meant the "you" figuratively. Not literally.

I'm referring to all the people being talked about in this thread - they're the "you."



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 09:19 PM
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lol.. Okay, fair enough.


Heck, nothing wrong with disagreement when it's not disagreeable, right?



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 09:45 PM
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This is one reason our system and our govt just does not work. The incentives provided are all wrong. There should be incentives that make the choice "work or don't work" simple...rewards working, rather than rewarding those who would just take from the system as long as they can rather than taking a lower paying job.


That TARP bailout in 2008 taught us a thing or two about the rewards of hard, honest work.



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 09:50 PM
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Wrabbit2000
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What benefits did I say I was getting here? I have no medi- coverage and if I get sick...I've gotten quite skilled at self medicating with over the counter things. Trucking did that too, but lack of choices in my current full time student situation makes it a way of life.


So been there in the full-time student thing. Married student life when you have no benefits of any kind and two part-time jobs at minimum to try to fill in the cracks around the loans.


Student Loans? Ummm.... People who see those as benefits, frankly, need to avoid college. I'm not really kidding either. That approach (and I do see it at school myself) is how people never graduate and have a mountain of debt, working Mc Donalds level jobs. Student loans are what pay my mortgage and basic bills with whatever else I can pick up for work.....and I'll literally spend the rest of my adult life, paying that back. It's simple math to come to that conclusion and alternatives make this the best path, despite that.


Going back to school is one way to put off paying on the loans you already have, and there comes a point for some people when there really isn't much alternative but to keep taking out loans to keep from paying on the ones they have.

It's sad, but I've seen it, too.

Too many crap degrees with little to no chance of gainful employment once you have them, and even those that do offer employment are all too likely not to offer a good rate of return on your investment - see Teaching Degree among others.

The higher education market is like others, government got into it to make it affordable, and it mysteriously got too expensive for everyone. Isn't it a mystery how that always seems to happen, and yet, no one puts two and two together?



For those who were on benefits and the full boat load attached to Unemployment? The way to cut it off would have been, AT LEAST, in a staggered way for numbers. How in the heck could ANY job market absorb what just got dropped out a window to catch ...with no warning? This was ill conceived and insanely destructive through negligence of Congress on every level.

I'd be looking at reform debate (and reform is absolutely necessary when our economy starts to improve) except this is about negligence leading to a totally unintended consequence of pain to millions. It transcends why or how they were on what was suddenly cut, IMO.


The problem is that it's completely impolitic to have all these poor people out on the streets. And the real reform that needs to happen is one that allows the economy to actually take off and grow again so that actual jobs can be created so that employers need to hire, so that the odds are more in favor of applicants than they are in favor of employers.

But we can't talk about doing things that would let employers grow. That would mean cutting growth in government and letting go of the reigns of power.

What matter to people if they lose the unemployment if there are plenty of job opportunities out there for the applying?



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 10:05 PM
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MOMof3
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Do you get it now? NO ONE CARES.

You are crying out to hearts that have been turned cold by propaganda and brainwashing.

Don't you see the collective reaction that they have been conditioned to? That "John Wayne" tough guy crap.


Yea, you are right. No one cares anymore. Others are just down right evil about it. Stop crying, get two jobs, get up and do whatever. Even though they don't know anything about any of the people out there or their situations. We all have the conditioned attitude that this is America and you don't need any help. You are just a free loader, all of you. That seems to be the conditioned response now a days.

Even though millions can't find work of any kind. Then try and make a life at seven dollars an hour and the part time hours you are forced to work for. Now this job is all you can find and you keep looking but it is hard because the constant rotating shift they make you work. You can't pay child support, there are no programs to help where you are.

You make 170 a week after taxes. Do we really need to talk about trying to live on less than 700 a month. Seriously, what is wrong with us. Why are we ok with this as a society. I don't have the answers. I wish one of the groups out there would hurry up and give us free energy. That would be a start. I am not sure that would even be enough of a catalyst to change things.

I just know our attitudes should not be to just stop whining and get a job lol. I have to admire the Gates and the other billionaires who have or are giving their fortune's away to try and change the world. Think if all the one percent did that what the world could be.

Course to really make it work we have to get rid of seventy-five percent of the people on the planet. Lol Of course I am kidding but there are some groups that think that is exactly what must happen lol.

The Bot



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 10:11 PM
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Well what do you expect people to do?

We're already budgeted tightly enough that our weekly grocery budget is $100 for three people. Do the math. That's the SNAP challenge, so we're really not living much better than anyone on food stamps.

But, OK, I guess we're greedy because we're fortunate enough to have jobs, and we need to give up even more in taxes to support everyone else ...

Where does that end? How much food comes out of my child's mouth (well mine really because I don't starve my son) in order to satisfy your need to feel that I'm not being greedy because I have a job?



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 10:11 PM
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Going back to school is one way to put off paying on the loans you already have, and there comes a point for some people when there really isn't much alternative but to keep taking out loans to keep from paying on the ones they have.

It's sad, but I've seen it, too.

Too many crap degrees with little to no chance of gainful employment once you have them, and even those that do offer employment are all too likely not to offer a good rate of return on your investment - see Teaching Degree among others.


I both agree and disagree with that. The kids coming in with no clear idea of what they are good at or want are probably in for failure. Hate to say it..but stats prove it. We have a decent graduation rate for comparable schools in this state and we're 18% graduation. Student Loan material requires everyone see those stats on their own and similar schools. It's interesting and sobering.

I've certainly run into professional students. One in my history class this semester has over 115 credit hours, in community college. He said he'd literally have both an AA and BA at the same time if he gets math completed. Hmmm... To each their own and I pity his financial situation, paying on that many years of debt and cost with a BA's level of income these days.

Personally, I'm chasing a Masters in a high demand technical field, so I don't anticipate much trouble if I make it to the end and achieve what I'm after. My off-time interests preclude me from the highest demand employers in GIS (Geography/Mapping), as the CIA is never hiring me for anything but a target on some experimental gun range ..but it seems every other industry wants GIS specialists too. From water districts to national parks to construction firms.

College is very very smart ..IF someone is going after a specific thing ... It's suicide by payment book for life ..if it's a "trip of self-exploration". Self destruction is that destination. Either way though, a loan is just that .. a loan and not a benefit. A benefit is not paying it back......but they chase this debt beyond the grave and claim estate assets if necessary. lol



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 10:18 PM
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What are you suppose to do if you have bad credit?



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 10:19 PM
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Well, you're getting a STEM-related degree. They're almost always going to pay off, but there are quite a few that won't pay off for quite a while, if ever. The average cost of a four-year degree basically far outweighs the money you are going to make entry level in most professions you are going to get with them. Here's a list of the 8 worst to start with.



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