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tThe OP isn't going anywhere. I'll address it point by point. Care to address my reply a few posts ago? Was Jesus referring to ''Pisces'' when he fed people fish? Or ''capricorn'' whhen he spoke of goats? Thats really how silly the thread premise is.
3NL1GHT3N3D1....It seems as though you didn't read the OP because it goes into more detail than that.
I am not a person who wishes for hell or for people to die. I have even tried to help people that have done terrible things to me. That is whats referred to as "carrying your cross". This is not an easy thing to believe. It demands a lot out of you.
reply to post by nenothtu
How exactly is this "far out there"? 12 disciples/12 constellations,
light of the world/sun, 33 degrees for each constellation/Jesus died at 33,
the mention of ages by Jesus,
the reference to Aquarius by Jesus,
pagans killing Jesus then legalizing Christianity, etc.
There's more evidence for the Jesus myth being an astrological myth than there is for little green men running around wouldn't you say? The dots are there you are simply refusing to connect them.
Since you are Christian of course you will ignore it because it challenges your beliefs. Best to ignore it rather than face it head on and debunk it like someone with an actual case against the premise.
If you want to be evil, be evil. Don't let me stop you. But I wish to reach for higher plateaus, and I don't need illogic to reach them.
I promise I will look at them after the Super Bowl. I feel philosophied out right now. It will take time to refuel.
reply to post by sk0rpi0n
Skorpion, don't you believe that the great flood happened exactly as it is described in the bible, despite all of the facts?
The fundamental concept of Jesus having 12 disciples, being crucified on a cross, and dying at 33 years old is rooted in pagan sun worship cults. If you choose to ignore that you are being wilfully ignorant based on an emotional attachment to your religion. Look up the attributes and story of Mithra, the similarities are abundant between the two. Christian sites of worship were even built on top of Mithrain worship sites, that implies a cover up.
Christianity is not unique AT ALL. Study paganism and its gods without preconceived notions and it becomes abundantly clear that Christianity is plagiarized.
12 donuts in a dozen. That doesn't mean christians got their religion from a bakery.
Constellations vary in size. Any astronomer, or even astronomy student could tell you that. 30 (not 33) degrees is the average for zodiacal constellations (360/12) because there are 12 of them, but none are precisely 30 degrees. "33" is a "fudge factor" to try and make them fit the plot being set forth.
Aquarius? Sounded more like some secret squirrel recognition signals to me. "See the man sitting on the third park bench wearing a purple fedora" sort of thing. He didn't mention Aquarius. It DID sound pretty clandestine to me, though. Can't say "go find Fred and get a donkey from him" if the guys looking for Fred don't know what he looks like.
Lost me there - I'm not sure quite how you factor that in. There was, however, a 400 year gap between the two events. Those pagans are a bit slow to getting around to supporting your theories, aren't they? They crucified 6000 slaves along the Appian Way after the Spartacus War, and now slavery is illegal in the same area. Go figure.
Thou art mistaken, young sir. I am NOT christian. Just because my wife says so does not make it so. I do not believe Jesus was God - ask any christian, and they'll tell you to throw rocks at me. There's my case at debunking. How do you like it?
Without a doubt. Shawnees in North America have a flood story, too, and those nasty syncretic christians obviously stole it from them to put into their mystery religion.
"Emotional attachment to his religion"? Tee hee. Skorpion is NOT a christian, either. I read your Mithraism link - it looked to me like an "all gods lead to Mithra" sort of tale. Maybe the Mithraites need to give up their emotional attachments, too. They appear, from your link, to be suffering from pareidolia, as well.
Sure, we all know religions throughout history have based their mythology on how many donuts a baker puts in a box, right? And we all know bakers have been making donuts in dozens for thousands of years and the concept of a bakers dozen predates Christianity.
Like the OP points out, there is a space of 1.5 degrees on either side of each zodiac sign that represents the transition between each zodiac.
30 + 1.5 + 1.5 = 33
Yet the sign for Aquarius has been a man holding a jug of water in his hand for thousands of years, Jesus being a "fisher of men" represents the fish of Pisces and Aquarius follows Pisces. The symbolism is very clear here, you are just refusing to acknowledge it.
The point I was making was Rome's history with conquering people then turning their customs into their own, twisting them to fit their needs. Read about cultural and religious diffusion, Rome used these techniquesin order to stay afloat for so long. They adapted to the times by absorbing others ideas into their own society. This is a historical fact.
Sorry for assuming, I admit my mistake.
Sure, many civilizations across the world have flood stories, that doesn't mean they were all talking about the same event. Localized floods at different points in each civilizations history could be the answer, not an impossible global flood. The idea is ridiculous.
I know what faith skorpion is a part of, he's Muslim. Islam is still linked to Christianity and they both share the same god.
Also, the link is only showing the connections between other religions and Mithra. You can do that with lots of gods throughout history, it just so happens that Mithra was the topic of this particular article. Many of the pagan gods are plagiarisms of older gods, not just Mithra. This is where comparitive religion comes in, all religions and gods have links to one another.
12 is 12. your argument is predicated upon a tenuous "connection" to the number 12. That portion seems to border on numerology, but whatever floats your boat. BTW, a "baker's dozen" is 13, and doesn't factor into it.
Exactly. An arbitrary fudge factor to attempt to make it fit, just as I said. I notice there was no answer for the fact that "30 degrees", or even 33, is an arbitrary figure that doesn't match the actual size of any of the constellations. I'm well versed in astronomy. You're unlikely to catch me out on this one, so it might be better to let it lie. Still, as you wish.
Constellations don't have "transitions", they have "borders".
Nice stretch there. Pisces is represented by two fish, which are the "hook-ees", not the "hook-ers". You might have a case if the zodialcal sign were Reticulum, "the net", with which one fishes - but it isn't. As for Aquarius, a man holding a jug of water was probably a pretty uncommon sight at the time, and so it would serve as a good recognition signal for a clandestine op. Not likely to run into an entire herd of them, and have to figure out just which one was Fred.
Still took their own sweet time in fulfilling your prophecy retroactively, didn't they?