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reply to post by pleasethink
If you are in America, above Florida, try to identify the Southern Cross in any time of the year. You won't. Trust me. I'm sorry man. This is not fun anymore, I'm starting to feel bad.
Then your logic is flawed, because not everyone on Earth sees the same set of zodiacal constellations. Since there are 88 constellations (in western traditions) I must assume that you are referring to only the zodiacal constellations here. The Maya divided the zodiac into 19. The Aztecs divided it into 20. Continental Druids divided it into 22. Insular Celts divided it into 13. There are many other cultures with different traditions and divisions.
Not everyone sees "12", much less the same 12.
Every culture has their own arbitrary division - and they ARE all arbitrary. Nothing inherent in the stellar landscape causes those divisions - only the minds of men.
No. If I were a Taurus I would be being stubborn. I'm a Leo, so I'm being regal.
"Abrahamic" perhaps, but not Christian, Jewish, OR Muslim. You don't have a label for what I am, and that's pretty much the way I like it.
By "countless" I presume you mean "really big number, more than I can count". We can go with that, I guess. Who can really be bothered to try and count them? It might be a disappointing number, and lead to arguments as to the validity of astrology and whatnot. Can't have that. Since the folks that invented it - and they DID invent it, rather than taking it from the stars - are all dead, I guess I'll just have to take it up with the modern adherents - meaning you, I suppose.
Can't see what isn't there. Your attempts to force it to be there does not actually PUT it there. Floundering about looks good on you. Get it? "Floundering"? I got a million of 'em!
BTW - does the Sun ever catch those fish? does it eat them? Not much of a "fisherman" if it never catches them...
So "elites" would be able to see a MAN carrying a jar of water across the street, but to mere peons he would be invisible?
So the zodiac is power magic for the power elite, but us mere peons can't touch it? If we could, I'd imagine some of the superstitious peons would have preserved it just as easily.
NOW who's being obtuse? "Pisces" is represented by FISH, not men, and not fishermen.
Who am I to disabuse you of your strange superstitions about those "power elite" and their multi-generational schemes to take over the world (BWAHAHAHAHA!)? Carry on then, and believe as you will.
It says the Shawnee has 12 moons in its calendar – I have an interest in this kind of thing if you have any info about this 12/13 moon thing I would be grateful for the assistance
The body of astrological knowledge by the 2nd century AD is described in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos, a work that was responsible for astrology's successful spread across Europe and the Middle East, and remained a reference for almost seventeen centuries as later traditions made few substantial changes to its core teachings.
reply to post by pleasethink
The alignment of the stars do not change, everyone on Earth sees the same constellations as everyone else. Everyone sees the same stars at night no matter what part of the Earth you live on, that's how the rotation of the Earth works, the dark side is always facing the same set of stars on any given day. The positions of the stars relative to the Earth's revolution will change as the year goes by but the stars and constellations stay in their respective places.
I'm not that dense to think we live on a planet where stars follow you when you travel, you misunderstood me.edit on 2/3/2014 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I would take a picture if you feel better. There are actually constellations only visible from some parts of the world. This is a fact. One night I will get Orion. Next the big dipper. It is not always the same. You're a smart person, you should know this.
But they interpret those phenomena in radically different ways. You want to interpret christianity as some sort of horoscope, but seem sublimely unaware that it is only YOUR subjective interpretation, and are trying to make an objective argument on subjective interpretations.
The point is that you are taking objective and unassociated things, and "connecting dots" from them that otherwise are not connectable (besides in your mind, your subjective interpretation), and expecting everyone else to reach the same subjective conclusions.
No, we're talking about "connecting dots" where connections are otherwise unavailable outside of our own minds. I illustrated that sort of connection. The field of study is irrelevant to the premise. The number "!00" runs through the entire venue I specified, and is every bit as valid a series of "connected dots" as your is, regardless of the field it is applied to.
I must defer to your expertise on Ugaritic religion, since I have none of my own. I don't think Jesus or Christians factor into Ugaritic religion, however - and that's based upon what I know about them.
reply to post by nenothtu
The same stars but not the same constellations. Constellations are culture-dependent. They are arbitrary groupings of stars based solely upon cultural input, not inherent in the stars themselves.
Babylonian astronomers at some stage during the early 1st millennium BC divided the ecliptic into twelve equal zones of celestial longitude to create the first known celestial coordinate system: a coordinate system that boasts some advantages over modern systems (such as the equatorial coordinate system). The Babylonian calendar as it stood in the 7th century BC assigned each month to a sign, beginning with the position of the Sun at vernal equinox, which, at the time, was depicted as the Aries constellation ("Age of Aries"), for which reason the first sign is still called "Aries" even after the vernal equinox has moved away from the Aries constellation due to the slow precession of the Earth's axis of rotation.