Growing up unvaccinated: This is what happens when your parents refuse

reply to post by Xcalibur254


I don't see how it is biased... The owner Mike, legitimately wants to help people, and posts articles to help make people more aware of harmful medicines, etc in life. How is that being biased? I can't say the same thing for everything on NN being lies..

reply to post by VeritasAequitas


They posted an article claiming that being mad was going to be a mental disorder in the DSM-5. What they were actually talking about was Intermittent Explosive Disorder. This is vastly different than just being mad and has been a recognized disorder since at least the DSM-IV. So in this case was NN lying so they could fear monger and draw more people to their cause or were they just vastly incompetent? I genuinely want to know because I can't see any other explanation other than these two.

I've even see people who will post articles from BIN as a legitimate source bad mouth Natural News.

reply to post by MOSTwanted


Really.... You are telling me with a straight face that naturalnews.com is more reliable than wikipedia....

Well, good luck with that....

It is now very clear to me what level of ignorance I'm dealing with.

Just... Nevermind

carabao
reply to post by MOSTwanted

 

Really.... You are telling me with a straight face that naturalnews.com is more reliable than wikipedia....

Well, good luck with that....

It is now very clear to me what level of ignorance I'm dealing with.

Just... Nevermind

Let me add a little insalt to your vaccine induced brain injury.

www.findingdulcinea.com...

8. Says " The contributor with an agenda often prevails."
7. Individuals with agendas sometimes have significant editing authority.
5. There is little diversity among editors.
2. Accurate contributors can be silenced.
1. It says so on Wikipedia.
Wikipedia says, “We do not expect you to trust us.”

Now what agenda do you think the author of Natural News has? Is it a good one or bad? More about money or...
Use your better judgement and don't just assume or rely on one source or conglomerate source for your basis with the same roots

reply to post by Xcalibur254


BIN is just terribad, and with that I think I'd have to agree with you. However, I have found a lot of truth on NN. I wouldn't say it's purposeful bias or fear mongering though. Just calling it like they see it; which may or may not always be right.

reply to post by MOSTwanted


You do realize that Wikipedia requires you to source anything you add to an article... right? I can't think of a single time where I've clicked on a reference on Wikipedia and the linked source doesn't support the info contained in the Wikipedia article. On the other hand I can't think of a single time where I've clicked on one of NN's sources and it's 100% matched up with their claims. Hell, I can think of a few times where their source has outright contradicted their claims.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Then look at their sources when it comes to vaccines.
Do those sources have an agenda?

Cmon, connect the dots. . . .... follow the bread crumbs. . . . . ..... whose behind the curtain? Boiling the caldron?

reply to post by carabao


Here, from your favorite source... you decide why this article even exists, if vaccines are so safe. Can you read between the slanted lines?

Adverse events following immunization[edit]

All vaccines may cause side effects, and immunization safety is a real concern. Unlike most other medical interventions, vaccines are given to healthy people, and people are far less willing to tolerate vaccines' adverse effects than adverse effects of other treatments. As the success of immunization programs increases and the incidence of disease decreases, public attention shifts away from the risks of disease to the risk of vaccination.[2]
Concerns about immunization safety often follow a pattern. First, some investigators suggest that a medical condition of increasing prevalence or unknown cause is an adverse effect of vaccination. The initial study, and subsequent studies by the same group, have inadequate methodology, typically a poorly controlled or uncontrolled case series. A premature announcement is made of the alleged adverse effect, resonating with individuals suffering the condition, and underestimating the potential harm to those whom the vaccine could protect. The initial study is not reproduced by other groups. Finally, it takes several years to regain public confidence in the vaccine.[2]
Controversies in this area revolve around the question of whether the risks of adverse events following immunization outweigh the benefits of saving people from tragic outcomes of common diseases. There is some scientific evidence that immunizations can cause serious adverse effects, such as gelatin measles-mumps-rubella vaccine (MMR) causing anaphylaxis, a severe allergic reaction.[2] Controversy exists over whether conditions such as autism are caused by vaccines. Allegations particularly focus on the MMR vaccine and on thiomersal, a preservative that was used in vaccines routinely given to U.S. children less than 24 months of age prior to 2001.[3][4] Current scientific evidence does not support causation for these disorders.[2] Nearly 5,000 U.S. families of children diagnosed with autism have claims for compensation from a federal fund, saying that their health problems were caused by common childhood vaccines. In one case, the government conceded that the child had a pre-existing mitochondrial disorder with autism-like symptoms aggravated by five simultaneous immunizations.[5][6]
United States[edit]

Vaccine Injury Compensation Program[edit]
In 1988, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) went into effect to compensate individuals and families of individuals who have been injured by covered childhood vaccines.[7] The VICP was adopted in response to an earlier scare over the pertussis portion of the DPT vaccine. These claims were later generally discredited, but some U.S. lawsuits against vaccine makers won substantial awards; most makers ceased production, and the last remaining major manufacturer threatened to do so. It uses a no-fault alternative dispute resolution system for resolving vaccine injury claims. Funding for claims of harm after 1988 comes from a patient fee of 75 cents per vaccination. To win an award, a claimant must show a causal connection; if medical records show a child has one of several listed adverse effects soon after vaccination, the assumption is that it was caused by the vaccine. The proof standard is the civil-law preponderance of the evidence, showing that causation was more likely than not. Claims that are denied can be pursued in regular lawsuits, though this is rare. Some claimants are suing thimerosal makers instead of vaccine makers, filing class-action suits, or demanding monitoring for vaccinated children who do not show signs of autism.[1]
The VICP covers all vaccines listed on the Vaccine Injury Table[8] maintained by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. From 1988 until March 3, 2011, 5,636 claims relating to autism, and 8,119 non-autism claims, were made to the VICP. 2,620 of these claims, one autism-related, were compensated, with 4,463 non-autism and 814 autism claims dismissed; awards (including attorney's fees) totaled over $2 billion. The VICP also applies to claims for injuries suffered before 1988; there were 4,264 of these claims of which 1,189 were compensated with awards totaling $903 million.[9]

I would like to propose something. Just as a little experiment...



I challenge the self professed expert protagonist ( hudsonhawk69 ) to a simple quiz. When we are both next online at the same time.

The kind of question he/she will not be able to simply Google . The kind of question that if you know the answer. Even a two finger typist like me can answer quickly in a few minutes. They will be more "comprehension" questions rather than technical.

Critical thinking and a basic understanding of viruses, fungus , parasites and bacteria is all you would need to make this decision.

It will be in layperson terms everyone on here will understand ( I do not like the way academics try to appear smarter by using their own language ) .


The stakes..... Your child may die or end up in a coma if you make the wrong decision.


If the consensus from others on the forum is you made the wrong decision. You admit here and now you are not educated enough to make some decisions. If you are right , I will bow down to your superior decision making skills.


How to make sure I dont cheat. ? ......... I will post the answer on another random news forum website before I post the question here.



You up to this hudsonhawk ?






Note: It will be based on a few real life case I have done. And something a bit more common than you might know. The kind of thing that used to kill a lot of people and still kills today.

Just a few symptoms that develop over a couple of days.



Please note: My personal stance on drugs and my immune system. I primarily rely on Olive Leaf Extract and Vit C powder bombs to kill off most things my body does not handle itself. I do not take flu shots etc.....

I have also personally been involved in anti big Pharma work in the past. Due to what I have witnessed as a mortician ( cancer / death from companies withholding evidence ).

I do not trust most drug companies. And find most academics to be grant bludging shills.

reply to post by MOSTwanted


Grow up, read a book, read a web article. Go insane while transcending the universe, and then come back to talk about it when you're intelligent.

Ps: Transcending the universe is optional.

naturalnews.com

carabao
reply to post by MOSTwanted

 

Grow up, read a book, read a web article. Go insane while transcending the universe, and then come back to talk about it when you're intelligent.

Ps: Transcending the universe is optional.

naturalnews.com

hahahahahaha I gave you a star, time will tell who's nuts to believe...

reply to post by Grimpachi


I have a sister in law who is not giving her children vaccines. I'm wondering the outcome of it. I hope the kids end up okay.

Pardon?

MOSTwanted
reply to post by carabao

 

Who are you to decide if I can raise my kids or not huh? What makes you qualified to make that determination for someone else? You believe in statism, fascism, and liberalism, and socialism(commy). What happened to common law in this country? It's like it don't exist. You're a government slave, told what to do so they can milk you for all your labor with the tax code, and rules(statutes) designed to raise revenue and be broken. So what if i'm driving a 100 on the highway in a sports car at night sober. If i'm not interfering with your right to life, liberty, or property then if something bothers you too bad.

If i don't want poison injected into my child's veins then I guess my child needs to be taken from me and put in an artificial foster home where he/she will never be happy. If I want to travel freely non commercially without license plates or get a driving privilege license then I guess I better be locked up for not transferring legal title of my property to the state so they can own it. And if I want to live off grid, I can't do that outside of L.A. cuz the power company wants to make bank off me so swat team will kick me off my own property that i own outright. And if I want to go fishing cuz maybe I'm hungry well I better go get permission from the county first. If i want to smoke a plant, I have to worry and live in fear of being caged like an animal with real animals that might want to hurt me.

Wake up bro, quit controlling others, you're just a mindless pawn for evil in a chess game against GOD.
Not all of us incarnated to be slaves our whole lives. You be a good servant and do what you're told, pay your taxes, get vaccinated, and stay uninformed. When you don't get the social security you paid into your whole life don't blame anyone but yourself

Going by some of the posts in this thread I think it's only fair that vaccinations become mandatory with only medical exemptions being allowed.
The general populace are obviously too ignorant or backward to make their own judgements.

Thank you for sharing that valuable insight o great and wise one. That is the same attitude displayed by tyrants world wide. You would make a valuable addition to "america world police" and christian religions everywhere.
I won't bother making my own choices in the future. I'll just do as you say since I clearly don't deserve my God given right to FREEDOM!!!

reply to post by hudsonhawk69


My diatribe didn't allude to anything more about people who don't vaccinate their kids than saying (not alluding) that they are ignorant and selfish in the impulse to protect their own kids over the others in their community.

It's odd that in that impulse to screw other kids they are actually endangering their own kids, too, and presumably themselves as they are likely not vaccinated, either.

Actually knowing stuff about vaccines and the relative dangers involved and then still choosing not to do so would move from the realm of ignorance into the realms of psychopathy.

Edit: Oh, and knowing more than most IS a heavy burden that is frequently depressing.

carabao

Pardon?

MOSTwanted
reply to post by carabao

 

Who are you to decide if I can raise my kids or not huh? What makes you qualified to make that determination for someone else? You believe in statism, fascism, and liberalism, and socialism(commy). What happened to common law in this country? It's like it don't exist. You're a government slave, told what to do so they can milk you for all your labor with the tax code, and rules(statutes) designed to raise revenue and be broken. So what if i'm driving a 100 on the highway in a sports car at night sober. If i'm not interfering with your right to life, liberty, or property then if something bothers you too bad.

If i don't want poison injected into my child's veins then I guess my child needs to be taken from me and put in an artificial foster home where he/she will never be happy. If I want to travel freely non commercially without license plates or get a driving privilege license then I guess I better be locked up for not transferring legal title of my property to the state so they can own it. And if I want to live off grid, I can't do that outside of L.A. cuz the power company wants to make bank off me so swat team will kick me off my own property that i own outright. And if I want to go fishing cuz maybe I'm hungry well I better go get permission from the county first. If i want to smoke a plant, I have to worry and live in fear of being caged like an animal with real animals that might want to hurt me.

Wake up bro, quit controlling others, you're just a mindless pawn for evil in a chess game against GOD.
Not all of us incarnated to be slaves our whole lives. You be a good servant and do what you're told, pay your taxes, get vaccinated, and stay uninformed. When you don't get the social security you paid into your whole life don't blame anyone but yourself

Going by some of the posts in this thread I think it's only fair that vaccinations become mandatory with only medical exemptions being allowed.
The general populace are obviously too ignorant or backward to make their own judgements.

Thank your very much Pardon?, I was about to break t&c in a bad way.

As long as most people vaccinate against polio (example), then everything will be OK, but as soon as this ignorance takes over then the anti-vaccine fools will be in for a rude awakening.

They seem to have no idea how many lives have been saved

Guess Semmelweiz had to fight ignorance in the same way...

Yes. Clearly life is SO precious in this life that MORE people need saving. I'll think of you when the food shortages due to overpopulation start. YOU, will be in for a rude awakening then...

carabao

MOSTwanted
reply to post by carabao

 

Who are you to decide if I can raise my kids or not huh? What makes you qualified to make that determination for someone else? You believe in statism, fascism, and liberalism, and socialism(commy). What happened to common law in this country? It's like it don't exist. You're a government slave, told what to do so they can milk you for all your labor with the tax code, and rules(statutes) designed to raise revenue and be broken. So what if i'm driving my sports car 100 mph on the highway without damaging anything? If i'm not interfering with your right to life, liberty, or property then if something bothers you too bad.

If vaccines worked so well then why do they not protect you from someone not vaccinated with the illness? Doesn't that just prove that it's completely ineffective against the disease? Common sense people, you're oxymorons

If i don't want poison injected into my child's veins then I guess my child needs to be taken from me and put in an artificial foster home where he/she will never be happy. If I want to freely non commercially without license plates or not sign up for a drivers license contract then I guess I better be locked up for not transferring legal title of my property to the state so they can own it. And if I want to live off grid, I can't do that outside of L.A. cuz the power company wants to make bank off me so swat team will kick me off my own property that i own outright. And if I want to go fishing cuz maybe I'm hungry well I better go get permission from the county first. If i want to a plant, I have to worry and live in fear of being caged like an animal with real animals that might want to hurt me.
What if i don't like being a U.S. citizen and paying taxes and don't want any services of the state? Am I forced to have to accept them and all the debt and man made laws? Why can't I just live where I want like animals?

Sedm.org

Wake up bro, quit controlling others, you're just a mindless pawn for evil in a chess game against GOD.
Not all of us incarnated to be slaves our whole lives. You be a good servant and do what you're told, pay your taxes, get vaccinated, and stay uninformed. When you don't get the social security you paid into your whole life don't blame anyone but yourself

edit on 5-1-2014 by MOSTwanted because: (no reason given)

Yeah, that's me... A fascist, liberal communist(commy)

In communion with the banksters and big pharma....

I feel truely sad there is no vaccine against total ignorance, and yes your children should be taken into protective custody.

Ps: science rules, ignorance drools

Nope. The ruling attitude in this post is that would be okay for people like you to remove MY freedom of choice because YOU believe different from me! You MUST be a proud supporter of "america world police". That seems to be their "holier than thou, self righteous attitude!" You and your "I know better than everybody else" attitude would fit right in!

thedeadtruth
reply to post by hudsonhawk69

 

Good call if the person is making an "educated" choice.

It does not matter if their choice is "educated" or not. It is their choice to make not yours.

But if they are putting other people at risk through willful ignorance. The choice needs to be taken away from them.

If your child is vaccinated and mine is not, what is the risk to your child? Your child has been vaccinated and is at no risk of suffering that which my child might.

I know it goes against the grain on this site in general. But some people are just smarter than others at certain things. And you should in that case just obey a command.

No I shouldn't. I have the same rights that you do. Perhaps I should take away YOUR right to choose so that YOU may understand how that feels. Clearly you are not smart enough to figure out how having your right taken away feel without it ACTUALLY happening to you

Being stubborn and being smart are not the same thing.

No they are not. However, removing a persons right to freedom of choice IS wrong... No matter who does it!

I can give you real life experiences of people "making a stand" that caused absolute misery to everyone around them if you want. And in all cases I have never heard the person state after ..

" sorry I was not smart enough to be making decisions . It was all my fault "


No. It seems those same people love to continue to blame others. Long after any logical conclusion by everyone else has been cemented.

The only person blaming others in your post, is you.

thedeadtruth
I would like to propose something. Just as a little experiment...



I challenge the self professed expert protagonist ( hudsonhawk69 ) to a simple quiz. When we are both next online at the same time.

The kind of question he/she will not be able to simply Google . The kind of question that if you know the answer. Even a two finger typist like me can answer quickly in a few minutes. They will be more "comprehension" questions rather than technical.

Critical thinking and a basic understanding of viruses, fungus , parasites and bacteria is all you would need to make this decision.

It will be in layperson terms everyone on here will understand ( I do not like the way academics try to appear smarter by using their own language ) .


The stakes..... Your child may die or end up in a coma if you make the wrong decision.


If the consensus from others on the forum is you made the wrong decision. You admit here and now you are not educated enough to make some decisions. If you are right , I will bow down to your superior decision making skills.


How to make sure I dont cheat. ? ......... I will post the answer on another random news forum website before I post the question here.



You up to this hudsonhawk ?






Note: It will be based on a few real life case I have done. And something a bit more common than you might know. The kind of thing that used to kill a lot of people and still kills today.

Just a few symptoms that develop over a couple of days.



Please note: My personal stance on drugs and my immune system. I primarily rely on Olive Leaf Extract and Vit C powder bombs to kill off most things my body does not handle itself. I do not take flu shots etc.....

I have also personally been involved in anti big Pharma work in the past. Due to what I have witnessed as a mortician ( cancer / death from companies withholding evidence ).

I do not trust most drug companies. And find most academics to be grant bludging shills.

Last time I read the pro vaccination brochure many known, serious potential side effect were listed. Perhaps you read a different leaflet to me.

ladybug121
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

I have a sister in law who is not giving her children vaccines. I'm wondering the outcome of it. I hope the kids end up okay.

My children have not been vaccinated and they are fine.

Baddogma
reply to post by hudsonhawk69

 

My diatribe didn't allude to anything more about people who don't vaccinate their kids than saying (not alluding) that they are ignorant and selfish in the impulse to protect their own kids over the others in their community.

It's odd that in that impulse to screw other kids they are actually endangering their own kids, too, and presumably themselves as they are likely not vaccinated, either.

Actually knowing stuff about vaccines and the relative dangers involved and then still choosing not to do so would move from the realm of ignorance into the realms of psychopathy.

Edit: Oh, and knowing more than most IS a heavy burden that is frequently depressing.

edit on 1/6/2014 by Baddogma because: sigh

Let try the application of simple logic once again... Your children are vaccinated therefore they will never contract anything dangerous... What's this risk you speak of that my unvaccinated children pose to yours? Butthurt much?