Growing up unvaccinated: This is what happens when your parents refuse

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posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 06:53 AM
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Yet OP, you forget to mention the thousands of cases worldwide where vaccines have destroyed lives. Especially in Africa.

Nobody doubts that some vaccines are beneficial. Giving babies 20 injections is just wrong. More recent vaccines are the problem. We are giving cervical cancer vaccinations to little boys for gods sake. How can this be justified?

I know some vaccines are doing a great job but nobody is really complaining about those.




posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 07:01 AM
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Yet OP, you forget to mention the thousands of cases worldwide where vaccines have destroyed lives.


Do you have anything besides anecdotal evidence?


Especially in Africa.


Could you be more specific? I know that Islamists are claiming that efforts to eliminate polio are actually an anti-Muslim conspiracy. Is something else going on in Africa?


Nobody doubts that some vaccines are beneficial.


False. Some people are convinced that any and all vaccines are harmful. Some of them have even posted on this thread.


We are giving cervical cancer vaccinations to little boys for gods sake.


Do you have a source for this statement?


I know some vaccines are doing a great job but nobody is really complaining about those.


Once again, some people are complaining not only about vaccination, but about "western medicine" in general



posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 07:02 AM
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According to Dr R de Long, "Since 1981 we have been immunizing the human population with attenuated (live) viral vaccines en masse. Such unparalleled use . . . may be the reason for the appearance of new diseases."

3. We now have 20,000 new diseases, and rising.

4. Vaccine makers, acting through corrupt bureaucrats, politicians and mass media agents, have always been able to pass off their wares after fraudulent animal testing; the human being is the real guinea pig.

5. Dr. J. A. Morris, leading U.S. infectious disease expert declared, "We only hear about the encephalitis and the deaths, but there is an entire spectrum between fever and death, and it's all those things in between that never get reported."

6. Dr. R. Mendelsohn said, "There now exists a growing theoretical concern which links immunization to the huge increase, in recent decades, of auto-immune diseases, e.g. rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lymphoma and leukemia."

7. According to Dr. Duperrat, "...vaccination causes, furthermore, an explosion of leukemia."

8.A report in the Revue de Pathologie et de Physiologie Clinique, stated, "The vaccine modifies the terrain of the vaccinated, driving it towards alkaline and oxidized terrain; the terrain of cancer, the fact can no longer be ignored."

9. Dr. R. Moskowitz, writing in the Journal of the American Institute of Homeopaths stated that vaccination could arouse latent, cell-bound, antibody immune viruses, leading, through stress or shock to "autonomous multiplication of cells, i.e. cancer."

10. Professor R, Simpson, of the American Cancer Society, said that vaccines might cause rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus, erythematosus, Parkinson's Disease, and cancer. All the available evidence shows that the decline of the infectious diseases was due to social factors, hygiene, sanitation, housing, nutrition, etc.

11. Dr. Moskowitz suggests that there are "fewer greater insults one can offer the immune system of a young child than to introduce, directly into his/her bloodstream, the foreign proteins or live viruses that compose modern vaccines."
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Other examples, the GSTM1 null genotype can also be affected by the toxic chemicals found in vaccines, among other causes including second hand smoke, and cause cancers, more so in young children who are being constantly vaccinated.

We need to face the big pharma companies and make sure they take out these toxic chemicals from vaccines if we want to lower the rate of different forms of cancer and other diseases being caused by vaccines, among other factors.



posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 07:07 AM
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Did I not explain the Post hoc ergo propter hoc Fallacy clearly enough? Perhaps this graph will make it more clear:



Can you possibly refute the obvious conclusion?



posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 07:08 AM
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DJW001


What evidence do you have to the contrary? You cannot base your life on irrational fears. The FAA says that flying is safe, so you had better not leave your house because an airplane is bound to fall on you.


I have posted several sources of evidence including from the people who made some of these vaccines...



posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 07:10 AM
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ElectricUniverse

DJW001


What evidence do you have to the contrary? You cannot base your life on irrational fears. The FAA says that flying is safe, so you had better not leave your house because an airplane is bound to fall on you.


I have posted several sources of evidence including from the people who made some of these vaccines...


I mean about the fish from Japan! You seem to assume that because WHO says they are safe, they must not be.

Edit to add: Oh, and by the way, you do realize that homeopathy is a scam, don't you?
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posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 07:11 AM
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DJW001
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Did I not explain the Post hoc ergo propter hoc Fallacy clearly enough? Perhaps this graph will make it more clear:



Can you possibly refute the obvious conclusion?


Heck similar claims have been made between CO2 and the ongoing Climate Change despite research that proves the contrary...



posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 07:12 AM
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ElectricUniverse

DJW001
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Did I not explain the Post hoc ergo propter hoc Fallacy clearly enough? Perhaps this graph will make it more clear:



Can you possibly refute the obvious conclusion?


Heck similar claims have been made between CO2 and the ongoing Climate Change despite research that proves the contrary...



So you admit that your claims about vaccines are no better than Anthropogenic Global Warming?



posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 06:59 PM
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DJW001

So you admit that your claims about vaccines are no better than Anthropogenic Global Warming?


More intelligent people than yourself claim the contrary in both topics....

You are just showing that just like your BELIEF in AGW is similar to your believe in vaccines.

The bottom line is that vaccines need to be made safer, all the toxic chemicals found in them need to be replaced. But it is good to see that the pharmaceutical companies seems to be paying shills to try to dismiss the real problems with vaccines.



posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 07:15 PM
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[ex/"A critical point which is never mentioned by those advocating mass vaccination is that children’s health has declined significantly since 1960 when vaccines began to be widely used. According to the National Health Interview Survey conducted annually…a shocking 31% of US children today have chronic health problems… In my medical career, I’ve treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children, and the unvaccinated were far healthier and more robust. Allergies, asthma, and behavioral and attention disturbances were clearly more common in my young patients who were vaccinated."

Philip Incao MD, Testimony on the Hepatitis Vaccine, Ohio 3/1/99


"I see many children in my practice. I see the difference between the immunized and the non-immunized. The non-vaccinated are much healthier and have less infections, colds, otis media and tonsillitis."

Peter Baratosy MD, PhD, Australia

Doris Rapp
"Ive been practicing for forty years and in the past ten years, the children have been sicker than ever."

Doris J. Rapp MD, Pediatric Allergist

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"If a person has a tendency towards a disease, at a certain age, a vaccine might make him/her more susceptible later when other challenges come along."

Dr. Howard Weiner, Immunologist, Harvard Medical School

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"We don]/size]’t know the long-term effects of vaccines. It will take several generations before we see some genetic alterations."

Glen Dettman AAM, PhD, FAPH, Australia, 1992

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"If vaccine suppresses visible symptoms of a disease like measles, everyone assumes the vaccine is a success. But under the surface, the vaccine can harm the immune system and cause other diseases…The fact is masked because no one believes the vaccine could do that. The connection is overlooked."

Dr. Mark Randall (pseudonym) former NIH Researcher and Vaccine Developer in interview with investigative journalist Jon Rappoport.
www.vaccinesuncensored.org...



posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 07:27 PM
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Again, watch this enlightening video.



If a vaccine has leukemia, among other diseases, what do you think will happen to more and more children getting these vaccines?....
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posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 07:36 PM
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More enlightening info.


What’s in that Flu Shot? Ask Dr. Mercola

Posted on October 2nd, 2009 by admin | 11 Comments »


Have you ever had the flu? If you have, chances are you’d rather not catch it again, right? A bad bout with the flu typically involves chills, cough, fatigue, loss of appetite, muscle aches, a runny nose and sore throat.

Many Americans get a flu shot thinking that it’s the best way to beat the dreaded influenza virus but don’t bother finding out how this vaccine is made and what goes in it.

If they did, they’ll probably think more than twice if they really want to get vaccinated against the flu.

How the Flu Shot is Made

Pharmaceutical companies create different versions of the flu shot by guessing what strain of the influenza virus will be around to spread the flu a year in advance, which they collect from infected people from other countries.

They breed the virus cultures months before the onset of the flu season, develop the vaccine and begin distributing the flu shots WITHOUT any safety studies.

In short, anyone who gets a flu shot becomes an unwitting guinea pig!

According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), most flu vaccines contain mercury in the form of thimerosal, some containing as much as 25 mcg of the global pollutant per dose – which is more than 250 times above the Environmental Protection Agency’s safety limit.

Mercury exposure is particularly dangerous to fetuses and babies because it can cause blindness, cerebral palsy, deafness, impaired development, learning disabilities, mental retardation and a reduced attention span, Dr. Joseph Mercola explains.

Mercury poisoning in adults, on the other hand, can involve a variety of symptoms, including disturbed sensation, sensory impairment, lack of coordination, extreme fatigue, fertility problems, memory loss, impaired blood pressure regulation, and neuro-muscular dysfunction.

But mercury is just one of the many dangerous substances found in the flu shot, which is virtually a witch’s brew of toxic ingredients, including: aluminum, a neurotoxin associated with Alzheimer’s disease; Triton X-100, a common detergent used in laboratories; phenol (carbolic acid); ethylene glycol or antifreeze; betapropiolactone, a disinfectant; nonoxynol, used to kill or stop growth of STDs; and octoxinol 9, a vaginal spermicide.

These ingredients may cause life-threatening allergies, neurological disorders, thrombocytopenia (a serious blood disorder), encephalitis (brain inflammation) and Guillain-Barre Syndrome, a severe paralyzing disease which is fatal in about one in 20 cases.

Now that you have been warned, are you still willing to inject yourself with poison?

But that’s just half of the story. Injecting something dangerous to your body is bad enough but many studies show that the flu shot DOES NOT WORK!

Before the CDC started prescribing the flu vaccines to children under the age of five, the number of kids dying from the flu was very low and was actually on the decline. But in 2003, just after kids aged five and under started getting vaccinated, the number of flu deaths SKYROCKETED, Dr. Mercola points out, and the death toll was alarmingly higher compared to the previous year, when the flu shot was not administered en masse to that age group!

Forget about the Flu Shot; Take Control of Your Health to Beat the Flu

The flu shot will never make it to Dr. Mercola’s list of recommended health products. The flu shot won’t make you or your children healthy; it does the opposite and will only compromise the immune system.

A stronger immune system begins with a healthy lifestyle. Dr. Mercola has NEVER received a flu shot but he has never missed a day of work in over two decades. So if you want to stay flu-free, here are Mercola’s top anti-flu tips:
• Optimize your vitamin D levels by getting enough sun exposure, using a safe tanning bed or taking vitamin D3 supplements.
• Avoid sugar and eat according to your Nutritional Type.
• Exercise.
• Get enough sleep.
• Manage your emotional stress levels.
• Wash your hands regularly (because the flu is a communicable disease).


www.drmercola.com...



posted on Jan, 14 2014 @ 11:13 PM
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ElectricUniverse

DJW001

So you admit that your claims about vaccines are no better than Anthropogenic Global Warming?


More intelligent people than yourself claim the contrary in both topics....

You are just showing that just like your BELIEF in AGW is similar to your believe in vaccines.

The bottom line is that vaccines need to be made safer, all the toxic chemicals found in them need to be replaced. But it is good to see that the pharmaceutical companies seems to be paying shills to try to dismiss the real problems with vaccines.


Just answer the question.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 12:41 AM
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" What’s in that Flu Shot? Ask Dr. Mercola "


The same guy who sells a cure for something every week ?

The same guy who supported a company that sold thousands of fake Vibration Training devices to the elderly, disabled or obese. ( Power Plate )



Not a good person to reference.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 01:04 AM
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While there will likely be some here who disagree, flu vaccines save a lot of lives each year. There are also thimerosal-free flu vaccines available according to this link.

www.webmd.com...

You could look at it as a matter of weighing the odds. How many people do you know who had an adverse reaction to a flu shot that a medical doctor will agree with? Ok, how many people die from the flu each year? Thousands die each year.

I plan on getting a shingles vaccine when I am in my 60's to hopefully help prevent shingles. My mother did not know there was a vaccine nor did I until recently. She suffered for months and made multiple trips to the doctors and paid for all those medical visits and medicine to attempt to treat it. It even got in her eye and the doctor said she could have gone blind if it had not been treated. It could have all been prevented with a vaccine saving her and taxpayers a lot of money and pain. I heard it being described as a strong burning sensation that lasts forever.

If you really want to prevent pain and suffering, I would recommend getting vaccines when they are available if no one in your family is allergic to anything in them or you feel you can safely take it. Just think of it as downloading the cure from the matrix instead of suffering with it for over a week or two. Weigh the odds. Over 250,000 people died around the globe from the flu back around the 2009 to 2010 flu season. How many had serious problems from the millions of vaccine doses given out? Not everyone can get the flu vaccine. You might be protecting infants or the elderly or your own kids by getting the shot yourself.
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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 04:00 AM
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ElectricUniverse

DJW001

So you admit that your claims about vaccines are no better than Anthropogenic Global Warming?


More intelligent people than yourself claim the contrary in both topics....

You are just showing that just like your BELIEF in AGW is similar to your believe in vaccines.

The bottom line is that vaccines need to be made safer, all the toxic chemicals found in them need to be replaced. But it is good to see that the pharmaceutical companies seems to be paying shills to try to dismiss the real problems with vaccines.


Since you're just essentially using quotes and supposition to further your argument against vaccines that actually shows that your argument is purely based upon belief.
Your shill gambit only further weakens your already baseless argument.

Intelligence has nothing to do with the vaccine (non)debate, it's about the comprehension of reproducible evidence, factual knowledge and information.
If you decide to BELIEVE the irreproducible "evidence", the non-factual "knowledge" and mis-information then therein lies your problem.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 05:39 AM
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Being an organic mercury compound it is Being an organic mercury compound it is treated differently by the body that the elemental or inorganic versions and is excreted from the body quite readily which means it doesn't accumulate. Currently thimerosal is only found in the nasal flu vaccine as it's been phased out from vaccines for over a decade.


www.dec.ny.gov...

Organic mercury, methylmercury is most commonly found in the environment. It is converted from its inorganic form by a biological bacterial process. It bioaccumulates in the environment and is most commonly found in fish. Oral ingestion of fish is the most common route of exposure of mercury to humans.

RISK:Methylmercury crosses blood/brain and placental barriers, which can damage the central nervous system and causes birth defects, neurological problems and developmental delays. Fetuses are the most vulnerable to methylmercury's toxic effects because studies have shown that chord blood levels are twice as concentrated as maternal blood levels for mercury. Chronic exposure to methylmercury can cause an impairment in vision, speech, walking, hearing, lack of coordination and cause a "pins and needles" sensation. Extreme exposures can lead to death.

Who's being selective with the truth hey??? Did the "Organic" fool ya...no its not grown next to the Organic tomatoes..



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:34 AM
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TheConstruKctionofLight
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Being an organic mercury compound it is Being an organic mercury compound it is treated differently by the body that the elemental or inorganic versions and is excreted from the body quite readily which means it doesn't accumulate. Currently thimerosal is only found in the nasal flu vaccine as it's been phased out from vaccines for over a decade.


www.dec.ny.gov...

Organic mercury, methylmercury is most commonly found in the environment. It is converted from its inorganic form by a biological bacterial process. It bioaccumulates in the environment and is most commonly found in fish. Oral ingestion of fish is the most common route of exposure of mercury to humans.

RISK:Methylmercury crosses blood/brain and placental barriers, which can damage the central nervous system and causes birth defects, neurological problems and developmental delays. Fetuses are the most vulnerable to methylmercury's toxic effects because studies have shown that chord blood levels are twice as concentrated as maternal blood levels for mercury. Chronic exposure to methylmercury can cause an impairment in vision, speech, walking, hearing, lack of coordination and cause a "pins and needles" sensation. Extreme exposures can lead to death.

Who's being selective with the truth hey??? Did the "Organic" fool ya...no its not grown next to the Organic tomatoes..


I'd say you were being selective with your version of the truth as you've deliberately not mentioned the mercury compound which is in thimerasol, namely ETHYLmercury.

I should have made it clear I was posting about ETHYLmercury rather than METHYLmercury which as you've pointed out are both organomercuric compounds but which are treated by the body differently. METHYLmercury, as you pointed out in your post above, is converted from its INORGANIC form.
I was making the distinction between mercury salts and metallic mercury, the substance which everyone immediately thinks of when its name is mentioned and environmental mercury i.e. inorganic mercury or METHYLmercury after conversion.
ETHYLmercury is not commonly found in our environment whereas METHYLmercury is. Hence the listing on the environmental website you cited.

ETHYLmercury, the one which is in thimerasol, DOES NOT bioaccumulate therefore it poses no risk.

www.cdc.gov...


Are you clear now?



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posted on Jan, 18 2014 @ 03:49 PM
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DJW001
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I have no problem with certain vaccines but I do with many of the pharmaceutical companies preparing these vaccines unsafely!


Thank you for putting your finger on an actual issue. Big Pharma uses the Anti-Vax movement as a stalking horse to cover their actual unethical behavior. Why are they allowed to advertise psychotropic drugs on television? Why are they allowed to provide physicians with paid vacations to the Caribbean or Mediterranean? Why is the research they do not properly peer reviewed? Why are the references they have to cite in their advertising not properly vetted? Why are they permitted to do drug trials on "third world" subjects who cannot possibly understand the potential hazards? These are among the issues that the pharmaceutical companies need to be held accountable for... but so long as there are morons who reject the past 200 years of medical science, and who put their faith in "color healing" while refusing to practice good public hygiene, the people who are otherwise qualified to criticize them have to waste all their time and effort trying to explain why vaccinations (which are not very profitable) are a good thing!


My friend you are singing to the choir. Unfortunately these are just symptoms of a much larger problem with our society!
When corporations and banks rule the world we the people will always be on the bottom of the list when it comes to taking
requests! Until this is remedied things will only continue to decline until that day when one of two things happens. Either
our society will just collapse or people will revolt against this tyranny and I hope it's the former! If it is there is one issue
that needs to be addressed and this is how do we stop this from reoccurring? The only answer I believe that can remedy
this has very negative condensations from the general public and that's a problem in and of itself! We need to get educated
on what is needed to bring balance to nature as well as each other!
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posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 06:03 AM
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