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reply to post by JadeStar
Fossilized Bones. Plain and simple. The same way we know they existed at all.
JadeStar
Thank you! And Happy New Year!
JadeStar
I love Bowie, Hendrix, Sabbath, a lot of that dinosaur UFO music, but I also like Muse, Janelle Monae, Megadeth, hell, even Lady Gaga. One can like both dinosauroid UFO music and current stuff ya know?
JadeStar
Thank you. It's one of my pet peeves too but be careful, if you read my stuff close enough you'll notice I make a lot of mistakes with the use of the possessive apostrophe. But like you said, I at least try to use it.
JadeStar
On this day of July 7, 2012, a prominent international group of cognitive neuroscientists, neuropharmacologists, neurophysiologists, neuroanatomists and computational neuroscientists gathered at The University of Cambridge to reassess the neurobiological substrates of conscious experience and related behaviors in human and non-human animals. While comparative research on this topic is naturally hampered by the in ability of non-human animals, and often humans, to clearly and readily communicate about their internal states, the following observations can be stated unequivocally:
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- Birds appear to offer, in their behavior, neurophysiology, and neuroanatomy a striking case of parallel evolution of consciousness. Evidence of near human-like levels of consciousness has been most dramatically observed in African grey parrots. Mammalian and avian emotional networks and cognitive microcircuitries appear to be far more homologous than previously thought. Moreover, certain species of birds have been found to exhibit neural sleep patterns similar to those of mammals, including REM sleep and, as was demonstrated in zebra finches, neurophysiological patterns, previously thought to require a mammalian neocortex. Magpies in particular have been shown to exhibit striking similarities to humans, great apes, dolphins, and elephants in studies of mirror self-recognition.
raymundoko
reply to post by DARREN1976
Turtles are not amphibious. They have to come up for air every few hours.
DazDaKing
reply to post by JadeStar
Not here to claim the Reptillian theories are true, but the origins lie far deeper than the 1980s lol. Serpent worship is effectively one of the oldest and culturally consistent (across the world) types of worship to have occurred in man's history. Several cultures believe we have been in 'contact' with an intelligent, reptile like race since our inception. Other cultures suggest the 'God's' they worshipped were of serpent like qualities or derived from the 'cosmic serpent'.
Shamans have been reporting contact with intelligent, apparently conscious reptillian entities, through the use of ancient and sacred substances, for a very long time (as well as a host of other animals of course). Then you have culture specific stories of Reptillian humanoids such as the Naga.
Throughout sacred scriptures across the world the snake/serpent/reptile is held as a creator and ruler. The Gnostics of ancient times spoke of 'Archons', inorganic entities who arose before our universe and can take the image of a serpent or reptile creature. There are many stories like this.
Furthermore, 'Dragons' were often held in sacred light and considered to be beyond human wisdom and intelligence, and also of having 'free will'. While not humanoid Reptillians, it adds to the general obsessiveness with grand reptiles in our ancient past.
So, although shows like 'V' and claims of possible Reptillian-humanoid evolution (which infact now has stronger evidence, as I remember seeing a study stating the specific type of DNA the dinosaurs contained could be more likely to reach an 'intelligent' stage than ours - # knows how they figured that out), did most probably fuel the modern Reptillian theories to the extent they're at now - the overall idea of either;
1) Cosmic/God reptiles
2) 'Ruler' serpents/'draconian' tactics
3) Reptillian humanoids
4) Inorganic 'form-changing' reptillians
All date back to our earliest cultures, and possibly long before written history.
Oh yeah, Rick Straussman's (Harvard Prof. Of Psychology) book; 'The Spirit Molecule', was based around his conducting of the only official study ever done on a certain shamanic substance, and a significantly large (over 60% I believe) proportion of the subjects reported contact with either cosmic like serpents or straight up Reptillian humanoids, and these same people were often VERY dismissive of Straussman's proposal of purely psychological effects. Infact, Straussman himself eventually changed his opinion to that of believing these 'entities' were very much real and that we simply are out of our 'depth' with these things.
Interestingly, Straussman found a large overlap in symptoms of his subjects and people who experienced a 'UFO abduction', especially with people reporting 'reptilian entities'. You HAVE to take into account that abduction experiences detailing 'reptillians' pre-dates the show 'V', and was very likely part of the influence for the story. This actually helped divide the UFO community into 2 - with some believing the abductions were 'real', physical events, and others believing they were 'spiritual' attacks by an unknown source. The 'physical' Reptillian alien theory derives from these factors, though the actual phenomenon of a 'reptilian' intelligence that is 'above us' stretches back thousands and thousands of years.
It is also noteworthy that amounts of snake venom can leave a person in a similar 'state', interacting with serpent entities and such.
It is also important to add that David Icke does NOT propose 'physical' shape-shifting reptillians from another planet, give the man a break! He, surprisingly, is actually clued up on quite a few things (interaction between universe and body, the global state of the world etc) and his 'reptilian' theories are completely based on shamanic substance use and research into ancient culture. That is to say, he proposes an outside 'intelligence' to our 5-sense world, that 'plays' with our world in a sense. He believes these entities take a Reptillian form when humans do actually perceive their state - that's all.
Completely different from a physical, travelling race from the Draco constellation.
Just thought I'd clear that up. You should do your full research before you attempt to convince people what to believe the origin of something is.
Edit; just read some of your replies in this thread Jade and I realise you are clued up to this. I still think it should be included in the OP, as you cannot implicitly dissect the whole history of the 'reptilian' obsession from the recent phenomenon, without isolating people to the whole wealth of knowledge surrounding the subject.
So, although what you have said has definitely influenced the Reptillian-alien hypothesis, the fact is that groups of people such as the Gnostics were saying the same thing over 2,000 years ago.
I believe serpent worship goes beyond 'man scared of snake so man worship snake'. I believe, what has allowed it to sustain itself in magnitude across cultures throughout history is more deeply linked to 'altered states of consciousness', and that ultimately allowed the shift from 'spiritual' Reptillian to 'physical'/alien Reptillian.
If someone read your OP with none of this prior knowledge, they would simply assume this Reptillian stuff is a product of crackpot theorists, a dodgy scientist and a TV show lol. And lets be honest, we both know the roots go further back. Doesn't it deserve a full 'shake down'?
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deadcalm
reply to post by JadeStar
Fossilized Bones. Plain and simple. The same way we know they existed at all.
Fossilization of bones is actually quite rare. We actually have an extremely narrow view of ancient life on Earth. So the truth is...if dinosaurs had evolved into a "higher" life form, we would be oblivious to it as most species have not been lucky enough to have died in an area that had just the right conditions for their bones to fossilize.
cuckooold
JadeStar
Thank you! And Happy New Year!
Ditto
JadeStar
I love Bowie, Hendrix, Sabbath, a lot of that dinosaur UFO music, but I also like Muse, Janelle Monae, Megadeth, hell, even Lady Gaga. One can like both dinosauroid UFO music and current stuff ya know?
Of course, just having another tease as I never did get a response to the one I gave you in my thread. I like quite a lot of modern music although some may be a little esoteric, and some less so like Amy
Winehouse, who I find quite astounding. Come to think of it, there's dinosauroid UFO music, but what about reptilian stuff as well?
JadeStar
Thank you. It's one of my pet peeves too but be careful, if you read my stuff close enough you'll notice I make a lot of mistakes with the use of the possessive apostrophe. But like you said, I at least try to use it.
What frustrates me (although I try not to advertise it), are simple contractions without an apostrophe. I find those so cringeworthy that I don't even want to give an example (not that you would need one), as too many either wouldn't notice, or care.
I do enjoy reading your contributions, finding them to be articulate, open minded, and scientific.
In my opinion, the more hoaxes and rubbish weeded out from UFOlogy, the better, as this will allow the study of anomalous events without a lot of the all too common detritus found in what would never pass in its current state as science.
coastlinekid
reply to post by JadeStar
SPIKE IN REPORTS OF REPTILIANS as part of the UFO Phenomena is a distinctly RECENT phenomena
What "spike" are you referring to?
I think I see where you are going with this, but I think you are actually identifying the point in time when modern media started to "overtly" inject the reptilian theory as a form of "predictive programming" over a long period of time...
David Icke may have "forced their hand" so to speak by studying the issue and having a media "voice" to promote it...
roncoallstar
Excuse me but you are wrong. If you knew anything about the Anasazi, Hopi and Zuni myths and legends, you would know that even they themselves say what they are. This is not an interpretation. These myths and legends come directly from the descendants of these tribes themselves. Unless of course you are saying you know better than these Native Americans did, and you believe they are just crazy.
intelligenthoodlum33
reply to post by JadeStar
I am sorry, but your theory is flat out wrong. Hopi Indians as well as the Chinese have many stories of shape shifting reptilians that predate your scientist from 1980 and 1940's Hollywood.
Not saying that reptilians exist, so keep the ridicule, but your theory is so off the mark that it's funny. It took me one minute to find, cut and paste these links.
www.dragonorama.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
Harte
That might work to a certain extent. But history shows it can be quite misleading - see Babylonian Versus Sumerian mythology - same names, different aspects/beliefs.
Harte
Harte
intelligenthoodlum33
reply to post by JadeStar
I am sorry, but your theory is flat out wrong. Hopi Indians as well as the Chinese have many stories of shape shifting reptilians that predate your scientist from 1980 and 1940's Hollywood.
Not saying that reptilians exist, so keep the ridicule, but your theory is so off the mark that it's funny. It took me one minute to find, cut and paste these links.
www.dragonorama.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
They had myths about foxes that shapeshift into human form as well. In fact, this myth is FAR more prevalent.
So, shapeshifting canine aliens from the dog star controlling every aspect of every govenrment on Earth?
Dogs eat snakes, you know.
Harte
Harte
intelligenthoodlum33
reply to post by JadeStar
I am sorry, but your theory is flat out wrong. Hopi Indians as well as the Chinese have many stories of shape shifting reptilians that predate your scientist from 1980 and 1940's Hollywood.
Not saying that reptilians exist, so keep the ridicule, but your theory is so off the mark that it's funny. It took me one minute to find, cut and paste these links.
www.dragonorama.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
They had myths about foxes that shapeshift into human form as well. In fact, this myth is FAR more prevalent.
So, shapeshifting canine aliens from the dog star controlling every aspect of every govenrment on Earth?
Dogs eat snakes, you know.
Harte
reply to post by JadeStar
Ok, so then we'd need evidence of some form of technology. If we were to die out or leave the planet somehow there are some things we've done which would last for millions of years.