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deadcalm
reply to post by JadeStar
Ok, so then we'd need evidence of some form of technology. If we were to die out or leave the planet somehow there are some things we've done which would last for millions of years.
No, in fact most of our technology would be gone....completely in just a few thousand years...after a million there would be no trace of us left.
As for footprints on the moon....who's to say there aren't any??
intelligenthoodlum33
reply to post by Harte
Your post, like this thread, is utter nonsense. The OP claims that the idea of reptilians comes from TV and some guy from the 80's...it does not.
Never said I believed in any myth. Never said I believed in anything. Just pointed out that the OP is wrong, but you guys, in an effort to find something to ridicule, lose your ability for reading comprehension.
Hilarious.
intelligenthoodlum33
reply to post by Harte
Your post, like this thread, is utter nonsense. The OP claims that the idea of reptilians comes from TV and some guy from the 80's...it does not.
Never said I believed in any myth. Never said I believed in anything. Just pointed out that the OP is wrong, but you guys, in an effort to find something to ridicule, lose your ability for reading comprehension.
Hilarious.
Harte
intelligenthoodlum33
Hopi Indians as well as the Chinese have many stories of shape shifting reptilians that predate your scientist from 1980 and 1940's Hollywood.
They had myths about foxes that shapeshift into human form as well. In fact, this myth is FAR more prevalent.
So, shapeshifting canine aliens from the dog star controlling every aspect of every govenrment on Earth?
Dogs eat snakes, you know.
Harte
Funny how it's reptiles and not canines. Can you address that point at least? There's no werewolf conspiracy is there?
ZetaRediculian
reply to post by Harte
Funny how it's reptiles and not canines. Can you address that point at least? There's no werewolf conspiracy is there?
personally I think reptile people are much cooler than canine people. Incectoids may be cooler.
ZetaRediculianwhere does the "silly" line start?
IntelligentHoodlum23
I am sorry, but your theory is flat out wrong. Hopi Indians as well as the Chinese have many stories of shape shifting reptilians that predate your scientist from 1980 and 1940's Hollywood.
Not saying that reptilians exist, so keep the ridicule, but your theory is so off the mark that it's funny. It took me one minute to find, cut and paste these links.
www.dragonorama.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
Harte
They had myths about foxes that shapeshift into human form as well. In fact, this myth is FAR more prevalent.
So, shapeshifting canine aliens from the dog star controlling every aspect of every govenrment on Earth?
Dogs eat snakes, you know.
JadeStar
Excellent points. I tried to make the same one but essentially this idea is almost a religion to some. When faced with contradictory evidence they just turn away and run back to the familiar narrative which has been falsified.
That said, don't be surprised if a show about doglike aliens coming to Earth doesn't spawn a whole new mythos of canine aliens from Sirius
So many people have trouble separating what is produced in Hollywood from reality. It's shocking.edit on 2-1-
What the HELL are you two on about?! I'm confused.
How can you not see that it is YOU who is turning this into an argument about the validity of the 'Reptillian' claims, when in fact the topic of discussion is the ORIGINS of the myth.
IntelligentHoodlum never once said he was claiming the myth is true, and in fact CLEARLY STATES he is not attempting to claim/disclaim the myth, but is pointing out that the origins lie further back in time than the 80s.
Harte; The thread is about the origins of the Reptillian-aliens story, which DOES go back to early stories of such entities. Why are you talking about fox's for gods sake? The thread is about the ORIGINS of the REPTILLIANS.
Are you claiming that the only reason we focus on reptillians and not foxes is because of the show 'V'? That is cool, but what's the influence for the show 'V'? God forbid it be abduction experiences and the Reptillian god mythos. Are you suggesting 'V' is completely influenced by a scientists claims of a possible Reptillian humanoid?
And don't worry, I haven't forgot about our discussion in another thread and will get back to that.
Perhaps, you don't fully buy into the possibility that the alien interpretation is simply a modern attempt to rationalise some of these myths (by people who take these Reptillian myths as 'real' accounts). But the point is, the modern alien hypothesis cannot be seperated from the ancient myths, as the ancient myths are used by propagants of the theory as evidence. They are connected, and hence it is dishonest to attempt to make the Reptillian myth seem like a product of a few different factors in the 80s. There are more factors at hand - I don't think myself or IntelligentHoodlum have attempted to claim anymore so than that.
I can only assume this thread wants to SOLELY focus on the 'physical alien from Draco' aspect? In which case, sure the OP can be borderline acceptable. But it is still unjust to exclude the ancient myths, as they have likely played a part in the conception of the modern myth. If there were absolutely ZERO or minimal accounts of serpent worship/cosmic reptillians/shape-shifting reptillians/god and ruler reptillians in our ancient past - would the theory be as likely to have 'reached this stage'?
Regarding Icke; His theories are based off the ancient mythos. So, how can you use Icke as an explanation for the modern myth, but ignore the actual basis of what Icke draws that myth from. Of course, it is possible his whole POV is drawn from 'V', but if you actually listen to the guy talk for longer than 30 mins on the topic, you'll realise he's been significantly more influenced by substances such as Ayahuasca (see my previous post regarding Dr Straussman) and ancient mythologies.
I'm sorry, but I honestly think you can't seperate it like that. I thought my earlier post made this clear but I didn't even have the honour of a reply.
JadeStar;, you dissappoint me slightly.
You make a thread with some incomplete information (I.e Ickes theory on the reptillians), ignorance or no consideration of Reptillian abduction experiences pre-dating 'V', ignorance of 'spiritual' events involving reptillian humanoids pre-dating 'V', and the whole collection of similar 'reptillian' mythos dating back thousands and thousands of years. The fact is, you use Icke as a propagant of the Reptillian hypothesis, but his shape-shifting/dual entity ideas are pre-dated by 2000+ years. Shouldn't the priority of this thread be to provide the full range of information influencing such ideas - rather than trivialising it to 2 or 3 main points.
Nothing to do with validity and everything to do with the full wealth of influence and information surrounding the mythos.
And THEN, when someone brings to your attention the fact that the myth (or atleast some strong aspects of it) pre-date the 80s - you get personally defensive and turn this into a question of validity rather than a question of historical honesty concerning the ORIGINS of the mythos.
To top it all off, you gang up with Harte on IntelligentHoodlum and attempt to patronise him - when he infact is not by any means necessary arguing the validity of the myth. How are you so blind to this? I don't get it. Hoodlum was VERY CLEAR he is talking about the origins and not the validity.
If you believe the ancient myths had no part to play in the modern myth, then fair play. But there's better ways to do it than turning this into an argument of validity. Just say it nice and clear.
Can I ask; why do you two think there is NO NEED to include the ancient Reptillian mythos when talking about the origins of the modern Reptillian mythos? Especially when there are overlapping factors. I know people who have never heard of 'V' but have through researching serpent worship become intrigued in the idea of an ancient Reptillian race. So, for them, the origins lie in the ancient mythos and not in 'V' and a scientists claims. That's just one example of why I think the ancient mythos should be included when discussing how the modern Reptillian hypothesis got to the stage it's at today.
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DazDaKing
Harte; The thread is about the origins of the Reptillian-aliens story, which DOES go back to early stories of such entities. Why are you talking about fox's for gods sake? The thread is about the ORIGINS of the REPTILLIANS.
Harte
DazDaKing
Harte; The thread is about the origins of the Reptillian-aliens story, which DOES go back to early stories of such entities. Why are you talking about fox's for gods sake? The thread is about the ORIGINS of the REPTILLIANS.
If this is what you wish to claim, then please quote and cite any ancient writings concerning these myths that claim the reptilians are aliens and trying to control mankind.
This is the myth the thread is about.
Harte
Alien abduction narratives sometimes allege contact with reptilian creatures.[5] One of the earliest reports was that of Ashland, Nebraska police officer Herbert Schirmer, who claims to have been taken aboard a UFO in 1967 by humanoid beings with a slightly reptilian appearance, who wore a "winged serpent" emblem on the left side of their chests.[6]
A 1934 Los Angeles Times article may have been the origin of such beliefs. The article reported that a geophysical mining engineer claimed to have discovered subterranean labyrinths beneath Los Angeles to an underground city built by an advanced race of "Lizard People" to escape surface catastrophes some 5,000 years ago. This article, however, had remained obscure in the intervening years, even amongst consumers of conspiracy theories.[18]
Happy? It did NOT 'ORIGINATE' in the 80s, it was merely brought to wide-scale pop culture. That is not the origin, unless we have defined a new meaning for the word.
ZetaRediculian
reply to post by DazDaKing
Happy? It did NOT 'ORIGINATE' in the 80s, it was merely brought to wide-scale pop culture. That is not the origin, unless we have defined a new meaning for the word.
It's the origin of how alien reptile people made it into "wide scale pop culture". That's how I read it. I don't think anyone is arguing that there were other types of lizard men in our subconscious from before. It's also evident that these could have been frog people or amphibiods since people have a hard time distinguishing.
Bird people are good. I once had an encounter with the Eagle People who were defeated by the Saints.
intelligenthoodlum33
reply to post by DazDaKing
Thanks for bringing back some sanity into this thread, DazDaKing. I truly gave up and decided to let them spread their disinfo by twisting the OP as they saw fit.
I am happy that someone is paying attention.