reply to post by intelligenthoodlum33
How is the OP wrong? Throughout the thread I feel as though the OP has only been reinforced...
Ok. Here goes. This is my last attempt in this thread for now. I will try to put this across in the most understandable way possible.
The OP is wrong in this sense;
The OP originally presents itself through the choice of title as an explanation for the Reptillian ALIEN mythos. The pretext is the question 'what is
this reptilian stuff and Draco about'. The general Reptilian mythos floating about these days extends well beyond that, but we'll let that slide. Our
focus is aliens from Draco or whatever.
Under the premise of explaining the 'alien' aspect 3 main points
or sources of myth are cited. These are;
A scientists claims in 1982 regarding the fact the Troodon could've carried on evolving into an intelligent, humanoid creature.
The TV show 'V', from 1983.
1 of the 3 main 'sources of myth' has absolutely NOTHING to do with aliens. The OP claims the Dinosauroid sparked the Reptilian-alien link, but that
is not true. What about all the associated Earth-Reptilian theories and stories pre-dating and possibly influencing the Troodon thought experiment?
There is a WEALTH of it out there.
Icke talks of an 'interdimensional' group of entities, that can be perceived through the use of substances such as Ayahuasca, and control our reality
from outside by plugging themselves 'inside'. I've heard Icke claim them being alien and non-alien, but that is not the core part of his theory. This
doesn't really sound like your standard reptilian hypothesis. This sounds more like the Watchers/Archons/Jinns/Avatars/Angels and Demons, and so
So, what influenced Icke's Reptilian twist? The OP makes the assumption
it is 'V', but an honest and balanced investigation should also look at
what Icke claims as his influence - which is 'shamanic/sacred' substance use and ancient mythos. So, why are these aspects not covered in the OP,
especially with a juicy amount of content, some of which I covered in my first reply to this thread.
There is no mention of the abduction experiences pre-dating the 80s. This is misleading, and would suggest to someone that ALL reptilian abduction
experiences are subconscious manifestations of the show 'V'. This isn't the case. The idea was apparently around prior.
Star Trek had Saurians before 1980. No influence at all?
The Dulce base rumours and associated Reptilian/Grey stories were floating in the late 70s and early 80s. This could've been an influence for the
The idea did not originate from 'V', and yet that is strongly suggested in the OP and throughout the thread. We are discussing the origins of the
Reptillian-alien mythos, right? Since that is how the thread presents itself.
If we want to discuss pop culture, then it was probably Icke and not 'V' that really did the job. But in that case, shouldn't this thread take a
deeper look at Icke's view and the origins of that? But obviously, that just doesn't seem an option for some people.
Credo Mutwa, storykeeper of the Zulus, claims that a Reptillian race interacted with us in our distant past. Why is this not mentioned? The point
isn't in the truth of the myth, but to simply raise awareness to all the influences. If Credo Mutwa doesn't count as an influence, what does? Marvel
comics even adopted a Reptilian race called the Chitauri AFTER Mutwa's story.
, we can't just be discussing the 'alien' myth surely, since we have the OP mention Earth-Reptilians, Alien-Reptilians and
'Interdimensional'-Reptilians! What the #! We must be discussing this whole whacked out Reptilian mythos, right? Otherwise the thread is incomplete
regarding all the alien influences. But we are being insisted that this is about the reptilian-aliens from Draco...
So...what is this thread actually saying? Firstly, its starting with the interpretation of the Reptilian mythos as a Draco occupying Reptoid race;
based on the limited question received, and cites 3 sources of origin for this. All 3 sources actually don't fully line up with that ('V' coming the
closest in terms of the question yet Draco isn't involved).
Secondly, all 3 sources actually have distinct origins regarding the other parts of the Reptilian mythos, which have been ignored under the
interpretation in my first point. The origins of these beliefs are not considered at all, and yet it is through these origins that you get the
entirety of the modern Reptilian/alien mythos.
This is made impossible from the start, as the OP begins with the 'end point' of the Mythos as a Reptoid from Draco and works 'evidence' to fit that
explanation, ignoring sources pre-dating and during the same time period. This is because 'V' is taken as the complete origin of the Reptilian-alien
mythos and hence controls our 'timeline'.
It is incomplete in regards to the whole range of alien interpretation origin, which is still significant.
The full origins of Earth-reptilians (possible origins of Troodon theory) and associated left earth/return as aliens ideas? The full origins of Ickes
theories? I'm going in circles.
But whatever, # it, lets ignore all that.
Here's examples of Reptilian/Reptilian aliens as relative UFO pop culture pre-dating the 80s:
Maurice Doreal: 1920s/30s. Writes stories and pamphlets regarding an alien serpent race that warred with man a long time ago, and possessed powers
that allowed them to shapeshift to human like form. He claims to have translated tablets from the Great Pyramid and says 'gradually the serpents and
those who called them took over control of the nations'.
Ref; Barkun, A Culture of Conspiracy, p. 115, 119, 120.
H.P Lovecraft; general alien god entity mythos. Reptilian specific: 'The Nameless City' - 1921.
Ernst Dickhoff - Agharta; 1950s book speaking of an alien Reptilian race who exploited the 'pre-flood' tunnel system on Earth and stayed there,
eventually attempting to control mankind.
Perhaps, wrong is the 'wrong' word here. The OP is incomplete. The logical sequence presented isn't correct. The concepts presented (intentionally and
not) of Reptilian aliens/rulers/from earth/shape shifters/interdimensional entities ALL pre-date the cited sources considerably, from decades to
thousands of years.
Remember, this is not about 'reinforcing' whether the 'reptilian stuff' is true or not, but raising awareness to the origins of the mythos. And
really, not just one fractional interpretation of it, but the entirety of the mythos, since the sources used encompass them.
The actual modern Reptilian-alien mythos goes well beyond the scope of the OP. Even if I was asked by someone about this 'reptilian stuff' WITHIN AN
and specific to Draco, I would still provide the whole range of origin, because it is only fair. But I guess a limited question gets a limited
If someone asked you what's this 'God and Heaven' stuff about, would you only use the Bible and the Quran as your interpretation and hence
explanation? And would you not look at their influences or origins at the very least? Why limit their viewpoint on the origin of an idea. That's
effectively what this thread's doing.
But whatever, it's cool. If the OP resonated with you, let it be.
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