reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
And here we go again, Tails is back from another country telling me how MY rights need to be violated because some criminal violated the existing laws
so we need, GUESS WHAT, MORE LAWS to make sure that this horrible tragedy never happens again safety, the children, but what if, but even if it saves
JUST ONE LIFE, blah blah blah.....
It seems that LOGIC and COMMON SENSE have an extremely short half life in comparison to emotional rhetoric and hypothetical land, where it seems that
all the gun banners/protectionists live. SO, it seems I have to uncase the sledgehammer of truth once again...
The FACT that this criminal violated ALL LAWS on the books in respect to this type of behavior in itself PROVES that the writing of MORE laws will do
NOTHING. The ONLY thing that would have prevented such a thing from happening would have been for the people in the school, who for, as I am to
understand the initial information from the major news( which is suspect in itself, considering the secondhand nature of all news reporting as well as
the obvious political agenda of major news outlets ) to have DONE SOMETHING in all the YEARS prior that this boy was a social outcast and was the
recipient of almost constant bullying. I am NOT excusing the actions taken by this criminal, BUT, I can follow basic actions of cause and effect. This
young boy was made an outcast, was harassed for years, and the staff of this school did NOTHING. Am I to believe that the entire staff didn't see
this going on, in a close and closed environment such as a school, that they were totally ignorant of what was occurring?
Probably a good idea to reiterate here that I DO NOT condone the actions of this criminal, merely that I can see the OBVIOUS cause and effect leading
up to the incident.
How about we address the CAUSE, which would be the constant torture this boy had to go through every day with nothing done about it? Was it the
football team doing it? (pure speculation) was it the children of rich parents that donate money or were political? (more speculation) EITHER WAY, it
was obvious from reports that I am seeing that it was happening, and the ENTIRE STAFF DID NOTHING. Does anyone bother to wonder WHY this boy went
after a TEACHER as his primary target? No? Maybe you should. Does anyone care to consider that Colorado has had three of these incidents so far and
they are all of the same type: Boy gets bullied for YEARS, nothing is done(tacit approval by the staff) feels that there is no hope, and does
something extremely stupid because he has been trained by all this negative experience in his formative years to believe that LIFE will be this way,
and simply cannot face the idea of sixty or seventy more years of torture?
Once again, NOT excusing the actions, attempting to examine the mindset that would lead to a boy doing something like this, so I am in advance telling
people to put THOSE accusations away.
Being a reactionary will assure that you will NEVER influence the events, ONLY react to whatever has already occurred. Instead of REACTING, when will
we start to be PROACTIVE, by examining the events leading up to the crime? That means, when the staff sees a boy being tormented, it's NOT "kids
being kids, oh well he just needs to toughen up, quit being such a pussy, makes a MAN of him" or any other excuse for letting the pack/tribal
mentality of "he's an outcast, not part of MY group, doesn't matter" continue on. We are not in the caves anymore, and this crap NEEDS TO STOP
This boy did not just one day decide to pick up a shotgun and kill people, what led him to that choice? How did a CHILD decide to kill and kill
himself? This is NOT natural, and can only have been introduced by unnatural events.
BUT, that is just too hard to do, I guess, so, instead of trying for the ROOT of the problem, we go after an inanimate object, a tool, nothing more, a
piece of steel and walnut. Because hey, that's EASY, those gun nuts will not DARE argue in the face of an atrocity like this, right? They don't want
people like Tails to imply they are crazy, That they are not caring about anyone or anything but those "rights" of theirs, right?
WELL, I DARE.
" I am for the Second Amendment, but really..." STOP right there. I have listened to this garbage for years, decades really, and I ABSOLUTELY equate
YOU, and everyone who follows you in the argument you are about to start, to soulless vultures that use the blood of innocents to push a political
agenda. If you feel this way then why don't you start a thread spontaneously? WHY do you wait for victims to trot that garbage out? Because you are
hoping to use emotional reaction and rhetoric to shout down logic and reason, because you and your ilk "never let a good tragedy go to waste". You
may as well be waving the body of a child about as a political banner. I find this tactic to be both PROFANE AND DISGUSTING.
The weapon used was a double barreled shotgun, a type of arm in existence for well over a century. DO NOT give me any of this "reasonable
restrictions" garbage. Do not tell me that I must watch my rights be infringed and eroded because of the actions of a criminal who ignored ALL LAW
and did what he did. But another law would magically prevent him from the crime he committed? that is the position of either someone who wants
government regulation of ALL parts of life, because that is where that path leads, OR an idiot who cannot accept reality.
IN REALITY, laws do not prevent crime, only punish it after the fact.
In REALITY, the media sensationalizing and glorifying these murderers is what plants the seed for the next shooter to get his "15 minutes of fame".
In REALITY, I will NOT stand idly by and watch someone like you start a facetious argument to disarm ME when in fact I have NEVER committed a crime
other that a traffic ticket, and I WILL NOT STAY SILENT AND ALLOW IT TO PASS UNCONTESTED.
In REALITY, if you really wanted to help children, you would be beating the bush constantly attempting to get anti-bullying laws passed/strengthened,
to push for bullies who beat the hell out of the school "weirdo" to be JAILED for ASSAULT. All the signs are there, EVERY TIME this happens, but no
one does anything, until after the fact, and then the cries of "ban the gun" starts.
In REALITY, you would be pushing for armed security, or better, armed teachers in the schools to prevail against this threat, but that is NOT what you
want. You want eventually, for the private ownership of arms in America to cease, and you are willing to use dead children as a PROP to get your way.
IN REALITY, people like yourself introduce your argument by degrees, slyly, and it all sounds so REASONABLE, too bad the history, facts and simple
logic of cause and effect do not support it.
Yes, I referred to this person by terms such as child, boy, and criminal. My heart bleeds for him as a boy. A group of empathy lacking children, along
with a staff who FAILED in their charge to take care of and watch over the welfare of ALL of these kids, took a shy, bright kid and tortured him until
he had no hope left. Once he picked up a gun to solve it, he became a criminal, and had to be dealt with accordingly.
I however, WILL NOT allow you to start this crap uncontested.
BOOM GOES THE DAMNED HAMMA