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BABYBULL24
If these vaccines are safe - why do they have a special Vaccine Court?
Vaccine court
OneManArmy
boncho
Rubinstein
boncho
I said I would support mandatory vaccines for something like smallpox:
That would be madness as the vaccine can spread Small Pox itself. Keep in mind that vaccines did not eradicate Small Pox, it was quarantine which eradicated Small Pox. Only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated against Small Pox, it is eradicated everywhere, even in countries which didn't have vaccine programs such as Australia and New Zealand. Big Pharma have rewrote history, anyone can look this up for themselves and easily see the lies.
Uh, look up history of Vietnam exodus. The camps in Hong Kong all had mandatory vaccinations.
I don't know if the information is available, but everyone you meet from these camps has a small pox mark on their shoulder.
1980s - stemming the tide[edit]
The tide of refugees continued to flow, and in 1980, more than 100,000 Vietnamese sought refugee rights in Hong Kong[dubious – discuss]. At this time, these migrants usually succeeded in gaining refugee status, and were eventually accepted by Western countries.
To deter the influx of refugees, new arrivals from Vietnam were interned in "closed camps" from July 1982 as possibilities for resettlement to third countries dwindled.[9] These camps were criticised for keeping freedom-seeking people "behind barbed wire".[10]
Not the only group to get it. But it just comes to mind since the stories of that place never mention actual smallpox, just the vaccine (which you claim causes smallpox)
Plenty other people to get it too…
dyingbraincells.wordpress.com...
Now who is posting links to blogs, like they are a credible source of information and not based on opinion.
The irony. Or would hypocrisy be a more appropriate word?edit on 201311America/Chicago11pm11pmFri, 22 Nov 2013 18:49:02 -06001113 by OneManArmy because: (no reason given)
Now who is posting links to blogs, like they are a credible source of information and not based on opinion.
BABYBULL24
If these vaccines are safe - why do they have a special Vaccine Court?
Vaccine court
OneManArmy
BABYBULL24
If these vaccines are safe - why do they have a special Vaccine Court?
Vaccine court
boncho
Ah yes, what source did the other poster provide on "smallpox vaccine causes smallpox" ??
You are just an ignorant troll now.
Smallpox vaccine contains a live form of the virus. This means that after you receive the vaccine and until your scab falls off, your vaccination sore will be "contagious" and could spread the virus to anything or anyone who touches it.
OneManArmy
boncho
Ah yes, what source did the other poster provide on "smallpox vaccine causes smallpox" ??
You are just an ignorant troll now.
Smallpox vaccine contains a live form of the virus. This means that after you receive the vaccine and until your scab falls off, your vaccination sore will be "contagious" and could spread the virus to anything or anyone who touches it.
Source - Drugs.com
Is that a valid enough source for you?
You accuse others of visiting sites that are not credible, but then when you do it its okay.
And Im the troll? lol. SMH.
You are just being hypocritical.
Pardon?
It wasn't hard at all. It took only a few minutes.
I'm surprised that since you call yourself an "investigator" that you couldn't have found this yourself.
They're not on anti-vax sites though, so that could be why you're not finding them.
The link I called supposition was from the Telegraph and I pointed out why more than once.
Do you need me to point it out yet again?
Once again, the link you posted on the Telegraph says that the deaths may be associated with the vaccine.
It does not say they definitely are. It does not provide any proof to show they are. It cannot by definition be used to compare deaths from MMR to deaths from measles. Aside from the fact that measles and measles complications can cause other major problems than death (if I say this enough it might just sink in...)
Which is why I called it supposition.
Do you get it now?
The deaths I've seen means on the internet.
Case reports but not the full medical reports hence why I've not linked them.
They're not testimonial type reports though.
They are very hard to find though as there have been very few indeed.
I've physically seen and been involved in the treatment of a couple of babies who developed septicaemia from measles though. I never wish to see that again.
The graph shows incidence NOT infection.
Incidence is where someone becomes infected with the virus then develops the disease.
The graph also show that the incidence carried on decreasing when the MMR was introduced.
Spend a little time using the same website to find the incidence of mumps and rubella and you'll find a similar slope.
I've already spoken about mortality but what that graph doesn't show is the numbers of people who have secondary problems with measles, a point you keep dodging. We are good at keeping people alive these days, even if they are extremely close to death.
I'm glad you agree vaccines don't cause autism.
We're getting somewhere now.
The vaccine event numbers are freely available.
You should be able to find them on the vaccine event link I posted.
You said that the doctor who found a link between vax and autism was publicly dragged through the mud. That implies that for some reason he was made a scapegoat when he shouldn't have been.
I've shown you why he deserved to be, twice.
Hopefully you'll get it now.
Being "unrelentlessly critical" of anything proves you are anti the thing you are so critical of.
The clue's in the word "unrelentlessly".
The links you provided have not backed up your claim that they don't work or are dangerous either. I've already told you why.
The Telegraph link is anecdotal.
Only providing worst case scenarios whilst omitting counter facts by default is cherry-picking. As I mentioned earlier, you did it to one of the points I made.
I'm telling you what you are being, that's not name calling.
Yes, it is a conspiracy site. I should have changed the word conspiracy to fear. It may be a conspiracy in your opinion but factually it isn't.
The fact you say "I WANT TO BE PROVEN WRONG" suggests that in spite of all of the evidence against what you believe you still think you're correct.
Use your investigative skills to determine the number of MMR vaccines given since their inception (it's in the hundreds of millions) then find the number of directly attributable SEVERE adverse events leading to death (not normal adverse events like mild fever or injection site soreness etc). You'll find that this number is quite small, in fact it's very small indeed.
Then do some simple maths to determine the percentage.
Then compare that to the fact that if you contract measles you have a 1 in 10 chance of being hospitalised and a 1 in just over 3000 chance of death.
The benefits of the MMR far outweigh even the perceived risks by a huge factor.
I have two children who are my life and who I would happily protect with my own life.
I do not take any chances with their health.
If I thought even for one second that they had any appreciable risk from having vaccines they would not have had them.
Seeing the alternative first hand (I used to work in a paediatric ICU), septicaemic patients, neonates becoming brain-damaged after having whooping cough etc etc I know I have made the correct decision and would do exactly the same again.
Luckily I'm in a position where I'm able to sort the wheat from the chaff when it comes to clinical studies etc and I realise that some people do not have the same background as I do but what I don't understand is when it's spelled out to people and they still take the opposite view.
Pardon?
OneManArmy
boncho
Ah yes, what source did the other poster provide on "smallpox vaccine causes smallpox" ??
You are just an ignorant troll now.
Smallpox vaccine contains a live form of the virus. This means that after you receive the vaccine and until your scab falls off, your vaccination sore will be "contagious" and could spread the virus to anything or anyone who touches it.
Source - Drugs.com
Is that a valid enough source for you?
You accuse others of visiting sites that are not credible, but then when you do it its okay.
And Im the troll? lol. SMH.
You are just being hypocritical.
The vaccinia used to combat smallpox isn't smallpox though is it?
Yes, it can be contagious but you won't, for obvious reasons, contract smallpox.
Cherry-picking again?
Source - Drugs.com
Is that a valid enough source for you?
You accuse others of visiting sites that are not credible, but then when you do it its okay.
And Im the troll? lol. SMH.
You are just being hypocritical.
That would be madness as the vaccine can spread Small Pox itself. Keep in mind that vaccines did not eradicate Small Pox, it was quarantine which eradicated Small Pox. Only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated against Small Pox, it is eradicated everywhere, even in countries which didn't have vaccine programs such as Australia and New Zealand. Big Pharma have rewrote history, anyone can look this up for themselves and easily see the lies.
Since late 2002, DoD has vaccinated more than 1.4 million military and contractor personnel, Smith told CIDRAP News. The shots are mostly for people bound for areas where smallpox attacks are deemed possible—mainly the Middle East. Currently the department gives about 15,000 smallpox vaccinations per month, Smith reported.
The vaccine is made from a virus called vaccinia which is a “pox”-type virus related to smallpox. The smallpox vaccine contains the “live” vaccinia virus—not dead virus like many other vaccines. For that reason, the vaccination site must be cared for carefully to prevent the virus from spreading.
Vaccinia virus is closely related to the virus that causes cowpox; historically the two were often considered to be one and the same.[4] The precise origin of vaccinia virus is unknown, however, due to the lack of record-keeping as the virus was repeatedly cultivated and passaged in research laboratories for many decades.[5] The most common notion is that vaccinia virus, cowpox virus, and variola virus (the causative agent of smallpox) were all derived from a common ancestral virus. There is also speculation that vaccinia virus was originally isolated from horses.[4]
OneManArmy
Pardon?
OneManArmy
boncho
Ah yes, what source did the other poster provide on "smallpox vaccine causes smallpox" ??
You are just an ignorant troll now.
Smallpox vaccine contains a live form of the virus. This means that after you receive the vaccine and until your scab falls off, your vaccination sore will be "contagious" and could spread the virus to anything or anyone who touches it.
Source - Drugs.com
Is that a valid enough source for you?
You accuse others of visiting sites that are not credible, but then when you do it its okay.
And Im the troll? lol. SMH.
You are just being hypocritical.
The vaccinia used to combat smallpox isn't smallpox though is it?
Yes, it can be contagious but you won't, for obvious reasons, contract smallpox.
Cherry-picking again?
While vaccinia may not be the smallpox virus per se, it states that it is and I quote "A live form of the virus".
If there was no relation then it wouldnt be a smallpox vaccine at all.
I will grant you that it could be construed as "cherry picking". On this one occasion.
OneManArmy
Pardon?
OneManArmy
boncho
Ah yes, what source did the other poster provide on "smallpox vaccine causes smallpox" ??
You are just an ignorant troll now.
Smallpox vaccine contains a live form of the virus. This means that after you receive the vaccine and until your scab falls off, your vaccination sore will be "contagious" and could spread the virus to anything or anyone who touches it.
Source - Drugs.com
Is that a valid enough source for you?
You accuse others of visiting sites that are not credible, but then when you do it its okay.
And Im the troll? lol. SMH.
You are just being hypocritical.
The vaccinia used to combat smallpox isn't smallpox though is it?
Yes, it can be contagious but you won't, for obvious reasons, contract smallpox.
Cherry-picking again?
While vaccinia may not be the smallpox virus per se, it states that it is and I quote "A live form of the virus".
If there was no relation then it wouldnt be a smallpox vaccine at all.
I will grant you that it could be construed as "cherry picking". On this one occasion.
Pardon?
OneManArmy
Pardon?
OneManArmy
boncho
Ah yes, what source did the other poster provide on "smallpox vaccine causes smallpox" ??
You are just an ignorant troll now.
Smallpox vaccine contains a live form of the virus. This means that after you receive the vaccine and until your scab falls off, your vaccination sore will be "contagious" and could spread the virus to anything or anyone who touches it.
Source - Drugs.com
Is that a valid enough source for you?
You accuse others of visiting sites that are not credible, but then when you do it its okay.
And Im the troll? lol. SMH.
You are just being hypocritical.
The vaccinia used to combat smallpox isn't smallpox though is it?
Yes, it can be contagious but you won't, for obvious reasons, contract smallpox.
Cherry-picking again?
While vaccinia may not be the smallpox virus per se, it states that it is and I quote "A live form of the virus".
If there was no relation then it wouldnt be a smallpox vaccine at all.
I will grant you that it could be construed as "cherry picking". On this one occasion.
You seem quite obsessed with numbers of adverse events from vaccines for some reason even though the numbers are very small indeed.
Here's some numbers to get your teeth into.
www.jennymccarthybodycount.com...
This second link is quite poignant.
www.jennymccarthybodycount.com...
1296 deaths which could have been prevented in only 6 years in the US alone.
It puts the 4 possibles you've mentioned into perspective doesn't it?
And as a responsible parent these are the numbers I would be trying to do something about as something CAN be done about them.
boncho
OneManArmy
Pardon?
OneManArmy
boncho
Ah yes, what source did the other poster provide on "smallpox vaccine causes smallpox" ??
You are just an ignorant troll now.
Smallpox vaccine contains a live form of the virus. This means that after you receive the vaccine and until your scab falls off, your vaccination sore will be "contagious" and could spread the virus to anything or anyone who touches it.
Source - Drugs.com
Is that a valid enough source for you?
You accuse others of visiting sites that are not credible, but then when you do it its okay.
And Im the troll? lol. SMH.
You are just being hypocritical.
The vaccinia used to combat smallpox isn't smallpox though is it?
Yes, it can be contagious but you won't, for obvious reasons, contract smallpox.
Cherry-picking again?
While vaccinia may not be the smallpox virus per se, it states that it is and I quote "A live form of the virus".
If there was no relation then it wouldnt be a smallpox vaccine at all.
I will grant you that it could be construed as "cherry picking". On this one occasion.
More than cherry picking. Complete ignorance. Yes it uses a live form of vaccinia, but the differences between vaccinia and variola is the difference between chicken pox and genital herpes.
And even more similar to actively seeking a chicken pox infection so one has later protection from shingles. (Shingles being another herpes virus)
Shingles is an infection of a nerve and the area of skin supplied by the nerve. It is caused by a virus called the varicella-zoster virus. It is the same virus that causes chickenpox.
Anyone who has had chickenpox in the past may develop shingles. Shingles is sometimes called herpes zoster.
OneManArmy
boncho
OneManArmy
Pardon?
OneManArmy
boncho
Ah yes, what source did the other poster provide on "smallpox vaccine causes smallpox" ??
You are just an ignorant troll now.
Smallpox vaccine contains a live form of the virus. This means that after you receive the vaccine and until your scab falls off, your vaccination sore will be "contagious" and could spread the virus to anything or anyone who touches it.
Source - Drugs.com
Is that a valid enough source for you?
You accuse others of visiting sites that are not credible, but then when you do it its okay.
And Im the troll? lol. SMH.
You are just being hypocritical.
The vaccinia used to combat smallpox isn't smallpox though is it?
Yes, it can be contagious but you won't, for obvious reasons, contract smallpox.
Cherry-picking again?
While vaccinia may not be the smallpox virus per se, it states that it is and I quote "A live form of the virus".
If there was no relation then it wouldnt be a smallpox vaccine at all.
I will grant you that it could be construed as "cherry picking". On this one occasion.
More than cherry picking. Complete ignorance. Yes it uses a live form of vaccinia, but the differences between vaccinia and variola is the difference between chicken pox and genital herpes.
If you say so.
And even more similar to actively seeking a chicken pox infection so one has later protection from shingles. (Shingles being another herpes virus)
Shingles is an infection of a nerve and the area of skin supplied by the nerve. It is caused by a virus called the varicella-zoster virus. It is the same virus that causes chickenpox.
Source
It states quite clearly that it is the same virus that causes chicken pox.
On the source page it also states that having chickenpox doesnt necessarily prevent shingles.
Anyone who has had chickenpox in the past may develop shingles. Shingles is sometimes called herpes zoster.
And Im the one being accused of cherry picking, misrepresentation and complete ignorance?
edit on 201311America/Chicago11am11amSat, 23 Nov 2013 11:04:21 -06001113 by OneManArmy because: (no reason given)
Yes it uses a live form of vaccinia, but the differences between vaccinia and variola is the difference between chicken pox and genital herpes.
Commonality with HSV1 and HSV2 indicates a common ancestor, five genes do not have corresponding HSV genes. Relation with other human herpes viruses is less strong, but many homologues and conserved gene blocks are still found.
VZV is closely related to the herpes simplex viruses (HSV), sharing much genome homology
Notice on U.S Vaccination Survey / and a German Study: Vaccinated Children Have More Than Twice the Diseases and Disorders Than Unvaccinated Children
And Im the one being accused of cherry picking, misrepresentation and complete ignorance?
boncho
Going completely against the anti-vax claims that no vaccines = stronger immune system:
Notice on U.S Vaccination Survey / and a German Study: Vaccinated Children Have More Than Twice the Diseases and Disorders Than Unvaccinated Children
journal.livingfood.us...
Result: the death rate in vaccinated children against diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough is twice as high as the unvaccinated children (10.5% versus 4.7%).
OneManArmy
boncho
Going completely against the anti-vax claims that no vaccines = stronger immune system:
Notice on U.S Vaccination Survey / and a German Study: Vaccinated Children Have More Than Twice the Diseases and Disorders Than Unvaccinated Children
journal.livingfood.us...
Lol, you post a link to a German study that shows...
Result: the death rate in vaccinated children against diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough is twice as high as the unvaccinated children (10.5% versus 4.7%).
And you think that supports your argument?
The parents stated that their preferred treatment was naturopathic and homeopathic. Less than 10% said they preferred conventional medicine. Treatment in the “other” column was mainly chiropractic and supplemental.
So, right away, this survey demonstrates that the parents who filled it out were a self-selected, biased sample, the vast majority of whom favor alternative medicine and are hostile to scientific medicine. Indeed, 99.69% of the respondents report being happy that they did not vaccinate their children
In the spring of 2005, UPI reporter Dan Olmsted wrote that autism is rare among the Amish of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. “Where are the autistic Amish?” he asked. “I have come here to find them, but so far my mission has failed, and the very few I have identified raise some very interesting questions about some widely held views on autism.”[/stike]