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boncho
Now, the funny thing is, anti-vaxers keep using the same evidence. Many new studies that come out are done of various reports and data collected from various reporting avenues, which isn't necessarily bad, but leaves cherry picking wide open. Strange how if they claim regular data shows this causation, that it can't be simply repeated over and over again.
OneManArmy
boncho
Yet, I earlier posted about Mercola taking out a billboard ad in Times Square and I fail to you see that as scaremongering… Granted the ad simply plugged a foundation and his website, yet we all know he is planning to tell people their kids are gonna get autism from vaccines, and all the while no evidence to support anything.edit on 22-11-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)
So Mercola has an agenda and is a fear monger as much as the vaccine nazis that wish to force us to be vaccinated?
Whats that got to do with me?
boncho
OneManArmy
boncho
Yet, I earlier posted about Mercola taking out a billboard ad in Times Square and I fail to you see that as scaremongering… Granted the ad simply plugged a foundation and his website, yet we all know he is planning to tell people their kids are gonna get autism from vaccines, and all the while no evidence to support anything.edit on 22-11-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)
So Mercola has an agenda and is a fear monger as much as the vaccine nazis that wish to force us to be vaccinated?
Whats that got to do with me?
Marketing departments are Nazi's now? No one is forcing people to take flu vaccines, in fact, your evidence of this is a light hearted ad encouraging people to get the flu vaccine. You don't have to if you don't want to.
OneManArmy
Rubinstein
Thank you OneManArmy, most pro-vaccine posters like to pretend these studies don't exist, even once you've showed them it doesn't take long until they're again saying "There are no studies which show vaccines can cause any harm". These people are not capable of forming a balanced opinion on the topic of vaccines
One of the best sites to help people form a balanced opinion on the risk/benefit is www.smartvax.com... , they look at the numbers and work out which vaccines are actually worth the risk theoretically for those living in the First World.
Thank you for the link, its good to see some balance, and non bias.
All we need is balance and truth so we can make informed decisions about the health of our children and ourselves.
Is that too much to ask?
For the "im for forced vaccination" nazis, it obviously is.
angryhulk
reply to post by Akragon
Dr. Wakefield is a liar and has been charged and sued following his research. He put children at risk during his research and in my opinion he is a psychopath.
Source
Source
Source
That's only 3 source's but there are literally hundreds to choose from.
On another note my 8 month old daughter has had her vaccines and she is totally fine, as are my friends children.
There are only so many "reporting avenues" that can be called "credible", that is the only data we can work with.
Show me data that I havent disputed your "interpretation" of.
If anyone has an agenda it is the "pro vaccination" brigade that openly state that they support "forced" or "mandatory" vaccination.
applesthateatpeople
angryhulk
reply to post by Akragon
Dr. Wakefield is a liar and has been charged and sued following his research. He put children at risk during his research and in my opinion he is a psychopath.
Source
Source
Source
That's only 3 source's but there are literally hundreds to choose from.
On another note my 8 month old daughter has had her vaccines and she is totally fine, as are my friends children.
My son is 5 and is (severe) autistic.
He had the MMR vaccine at 18 mos.
Instantly! Immediately after the shot he became very ill. High fever.
His behavior changed dramatically after this.
He was now autistic.
I had never heard any claims about a connection between mmr vaccine and autism when this happened to my son. So it was difficult to comprehend at that time. It was like...
"Uh, did that vaccine make our son autistic or am I going crazy?"
Doctors won't even talk about it. Most of them will act as if you said nothing, or change the subject.
There is nothing I can do.
Rubinstein
Big Pharma will one day live to regret denying the many 'Informed Consent', once the trust is gone then it's game over. I wouldn't trust any product from these unethical companies, that's not to say they might not have an odd product which really does have a good good benefit/risk ratio, but I know they lie, I know they fake their studies, I know they spread disease with a product to then sell you another product. I spend my free time posting up studies on forums to warn others, I must have caused huge damage to pharma over the years. If they had shown some honesty in the first place life would have been very different.
OneManArmy
boncho
OneManArmy
boncho
Yet, I earlier posted about Mercola taking out a billboard ad in Times Square and I fail to you see that as scaremongering… Granted the ad simply plugged a foundation and his website, yet we all know he is planning to tell people their kids are gonna get autism from vaccines, and all the while no evidence to support anything.edit on 22-11-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)
So Mercola has an agenda and is a fear monger as much as the vaccine nazis that wish to force us to be vaccinated?
Whats that got to do with me?
Marketing departments are Nazi's now? No one is forcing people to take flu vaccines, in fact, your evidence of this is a light hearted ad encouraging people to get the flu vaccine. You don't have to if you don't want to.
When i was talking about vaccine nazis, I was refering to YOUR open admission that YOU would support "forced vaccination"
There are two clinical forms of smallpox. Variola major is the severe and most common form of smallpox, with a more extensive rash and higher fever. There are four types of variola major smallpox: ordinary (the most frequent type, accounting for 90% or more of cases); modified (mild and occurring in previously vaccinated persons); flat; and hemorrhagic (both rare and very severe). Historically, variola major has an overall fatality rate of about 30%; however, flat and hemorrhagic smallpox usually are fatal. Variola minor is a less common presentation of smallpox, and a much less severe disease, with death rates historically of 1% or less.
boncho
If this is evil, than I wonder what evil is when you leave a group of people to get sick, die, when it's preventable?
OneManArmy
boncho
If this is evil, than I wonder what evil is when you leave a group of people to get sick, die, when it's preventable?
Well just look at India, DRC, and other African Nations.
It is preventable, and a large group of people are being left to get sick and to die.
The only thing is, its not in the first world, its in the third world.
boncho
I said I would support mandatory vaccines for something like smallpox:
Rubinstein
boncho
I said I would support mandatory vaccines for something like smallpox:
That would be madness as the vaccine can spread Small Pox itself. Keep in mind that vaccines did not eradicate Small Pox, it was quarantine which eradicated Small Pox. Only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated against Small Pox, it is eradicated everywhere, even in countries which didn't have vaccine programs such as Australia and New Zealand. Big Pharma have rewrote history, anyone can look this up for themselves and easily see the lies.
1980s - stemming the tide[edit]
The tide of refugees continued to flow, and in 1980, more than 100,000 Vietnamese sought refugee rights in Hong Kong[dubious – discuss]. At this time, these migrants usually succeeded in gaining refugee status, and were eventually accepted by Western countries.
To deter the influx of refugees, new arrivals from Vietnam were interned in "closed camps" from July 1982 as possibilities for resettlement to third countries dwindled.[9] These camps were criticised for keeping freedom-seeking people "behind barbed wire".[10]
boncho
OneManArmy
boncho
If this is evil, than I wonder what evil is when you leave a group of people to get sick, die, when it's preventable?
Well just look at India, DRC, and other African Nations.
It is preventable, and a large group of people are being left to get sick and to die.
The only thing is, its not in the first world, its in the third world.
I thought it was about 'choice' and blah blah blah, changing your argument 360 degrees now? There are vaccine initiatives in each place you are talking about so I'm not sure what your point you are trying to make.
boncho
Rubinstein
boncho
I said I would support mandatory vaccines for something like smallpox:
That would be madness as the vaccine can spread Small Pox itself. Keep in mind that vaccines did not eradicate Small Pox, it was quarantine which eradicated Small Pox. Only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated against Small Pox, it is eradicated everywhere, even in countries which didn't have vaccine programs such as Australia and New Zealand. Big Pharma have rewrote history, anyone can look this up for themselves and easily see the lies.
Uh, look up history of Vietnam exodus. The camps in Hong Kong all had mandatory vaccinations.
I don't know if the information is available, but everyone you meet from these camps has a small pox mark on their shoulder.
1980s - stemming the tide[edit]
The tide of refugees continued to flow, and in 1980, more than 100,000 Vietnamese sought refugee rights in Hong Kong[dubious – discuss]. At this time, these migrants usually succeeded in gaining refugee status, and were eventually accepted by Western countries.
To deter the influx of refugees, new arrivals from Vietnam were interned in "closed camps" from July 1982 as possibilities for resettlement to third countries dwindled.[9] These camps were criticised for keeping freedom-seeking people "behind barbed wire".[10]
Not the only group to get it. But it just comes to mind since the stories of that place never mention actual smallpox, just the vaccine (which you claim causes smallpox)
Plenty other people to get it too…
dyingbraincells.wordpress.com...
applesthateatpeople
angryhulk
reply to post by Akragon
Dr. Wakefield is a liar and has been charged and sued following his research. He put children at risk during his research and in my opinion he is a psychopath.
Source
Source
Source
That's only 3 source's but there are literally hundreds to choose from.
On another note my 8 month old daughter has had her vaccines and she is totally fine, as are my friends children.
My son is 5 and is (severe) autistic.
He had the MMR vaccine at 18 mos.
Instantly! Immediately after the shot he became very ill. High fever.
His behavior changed dramatically after this.
He was now autistic.
I had never heard any claims about a connection between mmr vaccine and autism when this happened to my son. So it was difficult to comprehend at that time. It was like...
"Uh, did that vaccine make our son autistic or am I going crazy?"
Doctors won't even talk about it. Most of them will act as if you said nothing, or change the subject.
There is nothing I can do.
And I don't know where you live, but in my area there is a major spike in the numbers os special needs children.edit on 22-11-2013 by applesthateatpeople because: (no reason given)
Advantage
There IS a middle ground and it is the rational ground.edit on 22-11-2013 by Advantage because: (no reason given)
OneManArmy
Advantage
There IS a middle ground and it is the rational ground.edit on 22-11-2013 by Advantage because: (no reason given)
Indeed, its a balance between health vs profits.
Not a favouring of profits over health.