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Courts Quietly Confirm MMR Vaccine Causes Autism

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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 04:30 PM
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Even if Wakefield's research was on the level (which it wasn't) doesn't stop the fact that his sample size was 12. No wide scale conclusions can be drawn from a sample size of that number. All the findings could do is point to the fact that further research needs to be done. Further research has been done. Wakefield's findings were not supported. So why do you uphold Wakefield's 12 person research as a gold standard?




posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 04:46 PM
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Xcalibur254
reply to post by OneManArmy
 


Even if Wakefield's research was on the level (which it wasn't) doesn't stop the fact that his sample size was 12. No wide scale conclusions can be drawn from a sample size of that number. All the findings could do is point to the fact that further research needs to be done. Further research has been done. Wakefield's findings were not supported. So why do you uphold Wakefield's 12 person research as a gold standard?


Im not upholding his research per se. Im judging his testimony as if it was presented in a court of law and I was sitting in the jury. Im judging his evidence as to what evidence is being used to discredit him and how that evidence is being used, and WHY its being used that way.

Key points from his video...(and note im paraphrasing from memory)
"There are no real trials testing for the adverse reactions to vaccination"
Which I have repeatedly asked for someone to provide evidence of in this thread, as I have looked and cannot find the results, so that I can compare them to the results of trials that show the adverse reactions to the diseases.
How can anyone claim that a vaccine is safer than a disease if the trials havent taken place?

"The government protected GlaxoSmithKline from prosecution, because the cheaper alternative they wanted to use had proven dangers(was withdrawn from sale in Canada as a result) and GSK wouldnt manufacture the vaccine and open themselves up for prosecution"

"Even after the MMR vaccine with proven dangers was withdrawn from sale in the UK, it was then sold to the third world countries like Brazil"

"The only person in the whole world that brought a complaint to the GMC was an investigative journalist called Brian Deer"
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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 06:00 PM
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Xcalibur254
reply to post by OneManArmy
 


Even if Wakefield's research was on the level (which it wasn't) doesn't stop the fact that his sample size was 12. No wide scale conclusions can be drawn from a sample size of that number. All the findings could do is point to the fact that further research needs to be done. Further research has been done. Wakefield's findings were not supported. So why do you uphold Wakefield's 12 person research as a gold standard?


Wakefield's findings have been supported by many other studies (see below), but Big Pharma aren't about to self-destruct the vaccine schedule and pay out $Billions in compensation.

The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63

The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372

Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517

Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005

Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103

Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3

Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85

The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10

Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11

Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98

Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161

Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6

Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13

Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.

Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35

Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.

Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62

Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.

Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382.

American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.

Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.

Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.

Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.

Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16

Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465

Journal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991

Archivos venezolanos de puericultura y pediatría 2006; Vol 69 (1): 19-25.

Gastroenterology. 2005:128 (Suppl 2);Abstract-303



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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Same thing happened to the chap who discovered Thalidomide was causing disabilities in newborns, you get the pattern? If you cost Pharma money they target you, they want to scare off other scientists from doing the same. Big Pharma want complete control of what information gets given to the public, they do not want random scientists becoming heroes and proving that Pharma are poisoning us.


paraphi
(Ex) Doctor Wakefield. Ruling by the General Medical Council...


Accordingly the Panel has determined that Dr Wakefield’s name should be erased from the medical register. The Panel concluded that it is the only sanction that is appropriate to protect patients and is in the wider public interest, including the maintenance of public trust and confidence in the profession and is proportionate to the serious and wide-ranging findings made against him.


Read the findings of the GMC Panel investigation into the corrupt scumbag, whose research was all wrong.. www.gmc-uk.org/Wakefield_SPM_and_SANCTION.pdf_32595267.pdf‎ opens as a PDF.

All those who smugly think Wakefield was good news support poor research.

Regards




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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 06:07 PM
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I'm sure if any parent was given the choice of having Andrew Wakefield or Brian Deer as their babysitter, they would always choose Wakefield. Wakefield comes across as an honest man who is giving his whole life to save children, whereas Brain Deer sets off all the alarm bells, keep clear of that snake!


OneManArmy
After listening to Wakefield himself, who sounds very sincere. I come to one conclusion.
The government health department gave immunity from prosecution to the pharma companies due to the dangers already known about the cheaper version of the MMR vaccine, thus making the government liable for prosecution.
It would seem that this whole damn debacle, is to protect government from lawsuits, due to their decision to save money at the expense of lives that were predicted to suffer as a result of the cheaper version of the vaccine.
The GMC has become a tool to protect government from prosecution instead of protecting the lives of children.
And this whole case sets a precedent for future cases.
Its quite sickening to say the least, and makes me angry to say the least.



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 06:16 PM
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redshoes
Many scientists have studied the statistics, generated experiments and published results. I'm prepared to rely on the thousands of researchers who support MMR than on a nameless sceen name, with as far as I can see no actual data of his own to back up his argument.


Big Pharma are selective as to which studies they bring to our attention and which ones they choose to ignore. Be careful about making wild assumptions about what 1000's of researchers believe.

You can read more about that here www.fourteenstudies.org...



redshoes
We're not talking about aliens or space NAZIs or the holy grail here, where the facts cannot be isolated and proven or debunked, we are discussing facts that can be verified by science.


Not true, have you examined the studies? They're easy to tear to shreds, they draw false conclusions, have inconsistent data and the authors have huge conflicts of interest.



redshoes
As to the big Pharma argument, There is as much commercial reward in proving a link between MMR and disproving one.


To prove the link between MMR and Autism would destroy the vaccine schedule, it would also mean $Billions being paid out in damages. No, there would be no comercial reward to Big Pharma, it would cause a crater of destruction.


redshoes
If the only motive for a conspiracy by big pharma is an economic one, it would surely prove more profitable to manufacture and administer six injections, rather than two.


While they would profit more from the 6 vaccines, there would be a lot less harm caused, the real money from vaccines comes from the complications which they cause, hence why Big Pharma are creating combo vaccines as it hugely increases the risk of autoimmune disease, meaning lifetime on drugs and loads more money for Big Pharma.
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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 06:20 PM
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The excellent Fourteen Studies website explains

"What's going on? If you listen to well-paid spokespeople of the vaccine industry, you’ll hear that the case is closed on the link between vaccines and autism and that the scientific consensus supports no association. It’s eerily reminiscent of the days when tobacco companies produced a consensus of science showing no link between smoking and lung cancer.

But, calmer voices like Dr. Bernadine Healy, the former Director of the NIH, are rising up and challenging this rhetoric.

Where is the truth? Like everything else in life, the devil is in the details. The "fourteen studies' are being misrepresented by public health officials who are trying to save the current vaccine program, which has ballooned from 10 vaccines in the 1980s to 36 today, a 260% increase. During this same time, autism rates have gone from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 110, a 9,000%, or 90-fold increase.

By reading and analyzing every published study used to "prove" vaccines do not cause autism, this website will show you that:

- No real world studies of the vaccine schedule have ever been done. Of the 11 separate vaccines given to American children (many given multiple times), only one vaccine -- the MMR -- has ever been studied for its relationship to autism. Yet, American children get 6 or 7 different vaccines simultaneously at 2, 4, 6, and 12 month doctor appointments.

- Not one study compares vaccinated children to unvaccinated children -- every study only looks at children who have received vaccines. This is like comparing smokers who smoke one pack a day to those who smoke two packs a day, seeing no difference in cancer rates, and saying cigarettes don’t cause cancer.

- The studies are rife with conflicts including authors who have been paid by vaccine companies and federal agencies and foreign governments charged with administering vaccines.

- Many of the studies reach false conclusions or conclusions that have nothing to do with the simple question: do vaccines cause autism? They are simply being misrepresented in the press by public health officials taking advantage of a docile media that is heavily dependent on advertising from pharma companies."

www.fourteenstudies.org...



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 06:25 PM
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Here's a list of the studies which Big Pharma use to suppossedly prove that the MMR doesn't cause Autism, under each you'll see the conflict of interest

www.fourteenstudies.org...

If you didn't know that this was going on you should be absolutely disgusted and make it your duty to help get this vital information out.



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 06:58 PM
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Rubinstein

Wakefield's findings have been supported by many other studies (see below), but Big Pharma aren't about to self-destruct the vaccine schedule and pay out $Billions in compensation.

How many of these have you actually read? I looked at a handful. They weren't easy to locate, due to the idiosyncratic citation style used. They do not support Wakefield's conclusions about MMR.


The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63

Suggests gastrointestinal abnormalities contribute to behavioral problems in autistic children, no mention of vaccines.


The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10

"Evaluation of an association between gastrointestinal symptoms and cytokine production against common dietary proteins in children with autism spectrum disorders." No reference to MMR. Read here.


Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35

Study of eleven subjects suggests neurotoxic bacteria colonize the gut following antibiotic exposure, and these contribute to ASD symptoms. No reference to MMR or other vaccines.


Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.

Study finds evidence "consistent with ... gut epithelial dysfunction in autism." No references to MMR or other vaccines. Abstract.

Without going through any more of these, let's stipulate they are generally correct. There is something wrong with autistic childrens' guts, and this somehow interacts with their brain to contribute to the symptoms of their disorder. Even if this is entirely true, it still tells us nothing about MMR as a contributing factor. None of these studies even looked at that. And there is an immense amount of research showing that MMR does not contribute to autism. So is Wakefield "correct?" Not really. No matter how right he got it with the gut flora, he was provably wrong about the MMR link. And they proved it.



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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FurvusRexCaeli,

You clearly haven't read Wakefield's original study to see how the other studies are related to it and back him up. Also you talk about Wakefield's conclusions about MMR, see the words from the study below, he uses the word 'possible' and recommends further research, he was completely right, he did exactly the right thing. Now it's turned out that it's the combination of the MMR vaccine with Tylenol / Paracetamol which is causing healthy children to then regress into Autism, so Wakefield was right all along, this man should be hailed as a hero.

Wakefield Study
"We have identified a chronic enterocolitis in children that may be related to neuropsychiatric dysfunction. In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation. Further investigations are needed to examine this syndrome and its possible relation to this vaccine."


FurvusRexCaeli
Wakefield's findings have been supported by many other studies (see below), but Big Pharma aren't about to self-destruct the vaccine schedule and pay out $Billions in compensation.
How many of these have you actually read? I looked at a handful. They weren't easy to locate, due to the idiosyncratic citation style used. They do not support Wakefield's conclusions about MMR.

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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 07:22 PM
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Since you've got a long list of studies I can only assume you've read them. So could you provide proper citations and give me the author(s) as well as the article title? I also wouldn't mind if you could provide the abstract for each of these studies.



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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Wakefield has incredible support within the medical community, that is because the evidence is on his side. We haven't heard the last of this that is for sure; the truth always wins in the end.

www.wesupportandywakefield.com...

"We declare that:
1. Dr. Wakefield is a man of honesty, integrity, courage, and proven commitment to children and the public health.

2. Dr. Wakefield’s research is rigorous, replicated, biologically valid, clinically evidenced, corroborated by published, peer-reviewed research in an abundance of scientific disciplines, and consistent with children’s medical problems.

3. We support clinicians who pursue treatments for bowel disorders based on Dr. Wakefield’s work and corroborating science, most specifically Arthur Krigsman, MD.

4. We support all scientists, including Dr. Andrew Wakefield, in the freedom to conduct medical research into the biological mechanisms for vaccine-related immune and brain dysfunction, including autism, without being attacked personally and professionally by industry, government, and organized medicine. We support scientific discovery, freedom to investigate, and freedom to speak in science.

5. We question the work of Brian Deer. Although journalists have a right to investigate and report, time after time Brian Deer has stepped over the line in terms of journalistic ethics. This has included his misrepresenting as new information that which he knows to be untrue; consistently misrepresenting himself and his role; and failing to meet minimum standards separating facts from opinion.

6. We renounce pharmaceutical lobby groups and the London Sunday Times supporting the complaint lodged with the GMC, the actions of which result in intimidating doctors thereby preventing objective medical assessment of autistic children with co-morbid bowel involvement.

7. We condemn the censorship of science. There are more than enough facts and evidence to support the case of vaccine injury, but the politicization of these issues has made it impossible to publish important and valid science. The debate is rigged in favor of the vaccine industry.

8. We condemn the conflicts of interest and abuse of power of the government, which has become the greatest proponent for vaccines and the greatest opponent to vaccine safety research.

9. We serve the children and families who daily suffer the consequences of the largest institutional failure in modern medicine. This is a moral crisis demanding urgent action.

10. We demand recognition of the global autism emergency. We call for investigation into the most likely environmental causes (including vaccines). We cry out for the application of proven treatment practices and for the investigation of other treatment options to help suffering children and families immediately.

Members of the public, parents, doctors and scientists worldwide are now calling for a formal enquiry: "
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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 07:42 PM
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Xcalibur254
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Since you've got a long list of studies I can only assume you've read them. So could you provide proper citations and give me the author(s) as well as the article title? I also wouldn't mind if you could provide the abstract for each of these studies.


You are right I've spent a lot of time going through the studies, I am happy to provide links to the studies for those who are not comfortable with Google, as for the authors, titles etc you will see when you click each link

The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63

The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372

Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517

Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005

Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103

Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3

Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85

The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10

Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11

Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98

Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161

Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6

Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13

Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.

Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35

Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.

Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62

Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.

Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382.

American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.

Jou rnal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.

Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.

Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.

Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16

Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465

Jo urnal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991



posted on Nov, 25 2013 @ 05:21 AM
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Now that we've got the studies here which back Wakefield up, everyone should be left in no doubt as to what's been done to Wakefield by Big Pharma and their hitman Brian Deer. There needs to be an investigation and Deer needs to go to jail, while Big Pharma need a $100 Billion fine.


Rubinstein

The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63

The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372

Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517

Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005

Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103

Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3

Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85

The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10

Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11

Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98

Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161

Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6

Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13

Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.

Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35

Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.

Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62

Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.

Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382.

American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.

Jou rnal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.

Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.

Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.

Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16

Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465

Jo urnal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991





posted on Nov, 25 2013 @ 06:26 AM
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Thank you so much Rubinstein, I'm glad you've won this argument with solid evidence, I've examined the studies and compared them to Wakefield's original, like you say they back it up. Now the cat is out the bag here on ATS, Wakefield should be given his title back again, funding should be pumped into INDEPENDENT research finding exactly what are the risks involved with the MMR vaccine; is it only a risk for those who use Tylenol/Paracetamol or can you be left mentally disabled by the MMR alone? The MMR needs to be suspended and replaced with singles for those who still want to get vaccinated.


Rubinstein

Xcalibur254
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Since you've got a long list of studies I can only assume you've read them. So could you provide proper citations and give me the author(s) as well as the article title? I also wouldn't mind if you could provide the abstract for each of these studies.


You are right I've spent a lot of time going through the studies, I am happy to provide links to the studies for those who are not comfortable with Google, as for the authors, titles etc you will see when you click each link

The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63

The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372

Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517

Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005

Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103

Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3

Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85

The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10

Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11

Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98

Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161

Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6

Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13

Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.

Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35

Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.

Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62

Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.

Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382.

American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.

Jou rnal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.

Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.

Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.

Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16

Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465

Jo urnal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991



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posted on Nov, 25 2013 @ 06:44 AM
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Oh, please! Not one of those studies confirms or even supports Wakefield's claims! Most of them show correlations between gastro-intestinal disorders and autism. This may well be a chicken and egg situation: do stomach problems cause autism, or does autism cause stomach problems? The closest one to supporting his claims is this one:

mercola.fileburst.com...

Although it starts out like this:


Virus-induced autoimmunity may play a causal role in autism.


Here is it's actual conclusion:


Thus autistic children have a hyper-immune response to measles virus, in which the absence of a wild-type measles infection might be a sign of an abnormal immune reaction to the vaccine strain or virus reactivation.


In other words, autistic individuals are "hypersensitive," ie, allergic to measles virus. This is not at all what Wakefield claims, and once again begs the question: does their sensitivity to measles virus cause children to be autistic, or does whatever it is that causes autism also make one allergic to measles virus?



posted on Nov, 25 2013 @ 07:01 AM
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DJW001
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Oh, please! Not one of those studies confirms or even supports Wakefield's claims! Most of them show correlations between gastro-intestinal disorders and autism. This may well be a chicken and egg situation: do stomach problems cause autism, or does autism cause stomach problems? The closest one to supporting his claims is this one:



I would suggest reading Wakefield's original study, you'll be surprised by the details as the mainstream media would have you believe something quite different.

The misconception which a lot of people have is that Wakefield's study concluded "MMR vaccine causes Autism", we have a lot of people replying who would benefit from reading the orginal study.



posted on Nov, 25 2013 @ 07:11 AM
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DJW001
In other words, autistic individuals are "hypersensitive," ie, allergic to measles virus. This is not at all what Wakefield
claims, and once again begs the question: does their sensitivity to measles virus cause children to be autistic, or does whatever it is that causes autism also make one allergic to measles virus?



Take a look at the line below from the end of the same study:-

"the hyper-immune response to measles virus might indicate virus reactivation that triggers a misguided humoral immune response in children with the disorder"

This fits in with what Wakefield suggested and recommended more research into i.e. injection with the live Measles virus (via MMR) is triggering an autoimmune disorder in the gut which is causing children to show Autism-like symptoms.



posted on Nov, 25 2013 @ 07:26 AM
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The misconception which a lot of people have is that Wakefield's study concluded "MMR vaccine causes Autism", we have a lot of people replying who would benefit from reading the orginal study.


What he said was:


Onset of behavioural symptoms was associated, by the parents, with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination in eight of the 12 children


and:


Interpretation We identified associated gastrointestinal disease and developmental regression in a group of previously normal children, which was generally associated in time with possible environmental triggers


You will note that his assumption is that the children were "previously normal," rather than autistic individuals who had not yet exhibited symptoms. This is a confirmation of the parents' bias, and sets up the implied causality of "environmental factors," ie; vaccination. So, no, he did not come out and say "MMR vaccine causes Autism" in the original paper, but he has been loudly proclaiming it ever since.



posted on Nov, 25 2013 @ 07:31 AM
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Take a look at the line below from the end of the same study:-

"the hyper-immune response to measles virus might indicate virus reactivation that triggers a misguided humoral immune response in children with the disorder"

This fits in with what Wakefield suggested and recommended more research into i.e. injection with the live Measles virus (via MMR) is triggering an autoimmune disorder in the gut which is causing children to show Autism-like symptoms.


Once again, the issue is with the implied causality. A proper study would see if children with celiac disorders are prone to develop autism, or if there are autistic individuals who are not hypersensitive to measles. To the best of my knowledge, it is still unclear whether there are genetic markers for autism. If there were, it might be possible to do more controlled studies.



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