Lifestyles of the rich and famous: Obscene wealth inequality at it's worst

reply to post by muse7


I think the world is pretty simple its the jealous ones that must make things seem harder or unfair.

macman
reply to post by crazyewok

 

What you pitch is just that. Collectivism and Progressivism. Did I mention Socialism? Don't think so.


The Govt is the problem, not the rich. Without the Govt and the abuse within the Govt, the Rich would be a dog with a toothless bite.

At what point am I picthing Collectivism and Progressivism?

Infact im saying the same as you!

Limited influcances and strict seperation of the rich and big buinesses in goverment with pentalty for corruption and the same applicable laws to all.

We are bascialy arguing the same point!

crazyewok

What I want is a limit to the power they have over ME and the infulance they have over politics and the fact they get to live by a double standard of law!

I think, at this point in time, there's a whole lot of people who agree with you that our political system needs a change and the people currently resting their arses in government need to go.

run for office and make a change instead of complaining about it.


believe it or nor, people like you and me do win seats. One of my best friends is serving his 4th term in office at the local level with an eye towards the next level. He's got some serious weight behind him in the form of connections to the white house and some of the cabinet members. He'll move up, when the time is right but, in his eyes, now, he does more good helping the people in his district than he would serving a larger population.

he ran with no money, no political backing, nothing. he crushed the opposition and he's running unopposed.

He's making changes because he didn't like the way things worked.

It's doable mate.

reply to post by crazyewok


Oh, so now by compounding the 2 together, you think that strengthens this moronic pursuit of damn the evil rich???


If the Govt would adhere to the law, this wouldn't be an issue.

reply to post by muse7


That is a personal thing to be either achieved or failed upon. Not for you or anyone else to push onto others.
Otherwise, we might as well have a king of the world and group think life.

reply to post by crazyewok

King of the world and group think it is.

macman

The starting up was only impeded by GOVT, not rich people.

And those laws to impede you where no doubt a product of some big co operation lobbying to put those laws in place to make it more difficult for competition to arise.

And no doubt if a big arms manufacture decided to move in and set up shop the local authorities would be far more relaxed when it comes to taxes, labour laws and permits iwth them than you driveing your costs up and theres down.

reply to post by crazyewok

Limited influcances and strict seperation of the rich and big buinesses in goverment with pentalty for corruption and the same applicable laws to all.

I agree with the sentiment.

What you basically want is to stop government from being able to take bribes from large corporations, correct? Because, if that is the case, I agree with you completely.

But, as I said in a previous post, it is our responsibility to make sure that it doesn't happen.

A politician's fear of you and I should trump his or her desire to take a bribe.

"I COULD take this bribe, or I COULD keep my head attached to my shoulders..."

reply to post by ldyserenity


We don't have say over other Govts. It was designed as a say over ours.

With more Govt intrusion and control, companies leave. Hmmmm...I think we have the problem.

I could care less about other countries. Not my problem.

Crakeur
reply to post by LewsTherinThelamon

 

and they usually do.

take a look at 100 mattress. Guy sees a dial a steak commercial and starts a dial a mattress company. goes on to make a fortune and then, screws it up, and the company goes bankrupt.


the banks weren't allowed to fail because the gov't feared that allowing one of those big banks to fail would result in multiple collapses which would bring the global economy to its knees.

if that happened, guess who suffers the most? I'll give you a hint, it's not the guys on top.

when the economy takes a turn for the worse, companies lay off workers, cut costs and try to keep their profits up by minimizing their costs. they also deal with decreases in demand for their product so they cut more jobs.

they aren't cutting the top executives jobs, nor are they cutting their pay.

they cut the everyman jobs. they cut your jobs. they cut my job.

so, yeah, let em fail and you will suffer more than the wealthy.

if everyone took a 50% salary and 50% wealth hit, the top tier of wealth would still be in their big homes, pooping on their gold toilets.

will you still be where you are?

Thats baloney "my friend". I dont care if you are bob's hamburgers or citibank. If you make bad decisions then you need to fail. Its really that simple. Trying to scare people into allowing cronyism is as dishonest as it gets.

Hey guess what...my business might go under....uncle sam where is my cut??? What, I am not special enough? Why not?

Come now. A few people will lose their job or pension plan, they will either find a job that opens up to replace that deadbeat business or they will collect unemployment temporariy. Lesson will be learned there is no "too big to fail" and that kenysian theory is absolute malarkey.

reply to post by crazyewok


How so???
You pitch that the wealthy need to do this, this and this.

I do not.

macman
reply to post by crazyewok

 

SO long as it isn't more money then what you or others deem as unfair.

What a world we live in.

At no point have I said have lots of money is unfair. Nor have a propossed a cap.

It when they use that money to corrupt the goverment and exploit people I call unfair.

macman
reply to post by ldyserenity

 

We don't have say over other Govts. It was designed as a say over ours.

With more Govt intrusion and control, companies leave. Hmmmm...I think we have the problem.

I could care less about other countries. Not my problem.

And the companies leave to those countries when the laws become stricter and are actually enforced here, so what do you do with that? Ignore it?

reply to post by crazyewok


If the Govt wasn't corrupt, then the attempt to influence would not be successful.

I can scream all I want in the town square. It is meaningless, unless someone buys into what I am screaming about and then runs with it.

The Govt is the one putting the laws in place, enforcing the laws and physically stealing from the citizens.

reply to post by crazyewok


Stop allowing money to corrupt the Govt. Yes. I agree. Stop allowing the Govt to be corrupted by money and power.

ldyserenity

macman
reply to post by ldyserenity

 

We don't have say over other Govts. It was designed as a say over ours.

With more Govt intrusion and control, companies leave. Hmmmm...I think we have the problem.

I could care less about other countries. Not my problem.

And the companies leave to those countries when the laws become stricter and are actually enforced here, so what do you do with that? Ignore it?

Get rid of the government intrusion and control.

ldyserenity


How many people's rights did they trample getting it I think it's already been established with news sources and links all over this thread, apparently, you didn't read the entire thread.

So the Assumption that all Rich are Evil justifies us just going and Taking it ?

All the links are there, no need for actual fair trial and facts? Just force and theft?

You can show me all the evil in the world but I wont sacrifice Liberty to stop it.
I will stop evil by supporting Liberty #1 first and foremost.

Please dont get caught up in mob mentality.
Its not the solution its the problem.

reply to post by ldyserenity


Do you control the company leaving???

Don't buy their product. Very simple.

Stopping a company from leaving sounds very much like Nazi controlled Germany.

reply to post by muzzleflash

Wow putting words in my mouth priceless, How about stiff tariffs??? How about no bailouts, how about actually making the businesses pull their own asses out of the fire, like the rest of us.

macman
reply to post by crazyewok

 

How so???
You pitch that the wealthy need to do this, this and this.

I do not.

Do what exactly?

Obey the same laws we do? Stop with the corruption of govermet? Useing loopholes? Stop with the bribery and useing politics to create a unfair playing field to there advantage.

And for the goverment to do vise versa?

The one doing the bribeing and corruption should stand in gallow with the politican accepting the bribe and going along with it.

Isnt that what you want?

Im not saying stop people earning vast amounts ect