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Hot Cha Cha Cha... Obama Admits Consulting With Democratic Socialist Marxist On Immigration Reform

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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Tardacus
The most alarming thing about this is:


We worked together over these last few years.


By his own admission this wasn`t a one off thing, He`s been working "together" with them for YEARS!


I know... This bothered me also... But why is no one here concentrating of the important issue here? This could very well be our next Obama scandal.

And do you want to know what is scarier? That we don't have more upstanding citizens standing up to those with Marxists beliefs in this thread. Perhaps they should visit Russia and ask its citizens what they think of Marxism. Those were the darkest days of that countries history. Which still makes me wonder if Obama is just plain stupid or if he is trying to destroy the US?




posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 08:44 PM
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That's a stereo typical response from extreme right wingers who think everyone should see it there way


That sounds like a typical response from an extreme left winger who think everyone should see it there way see the rest of the post that confirms this.




Legitimate democracy attains balance through "inclusion".


You mean 'legitimate' mob rule that takes what ever they want great thing this country is a constitutional republic that protects the minority from the mob.




That's a word you should familiarize yourself with.


Constitutional republic is two words some people need to familiarize themselves with the addition of identity politics: lying to people telling that someone else hates them then gang up on them and use government to take what they can't do on their own.




If it weren't for card carrying communists, the conservatives would have had us all working like dogs for ten dollars a day


Yeah pat on the backs to those card carrying communists for a nation that is 17 trillion in debt, and over 100 trillion in promises made that can never be paid for. where the current state of the union is 47% of Americans are working part time,over 100 million on food aid, and 4 out of 5 people near poverty with no work.

Where 70 million Americans are on Social Security, that same 70 on Medicare, and another 60 million on medicaid,

Really job well done ! ! !

Of running this country to the ground over fiat currency and corporate products communists are just as greedy,materialistic as the people they disparage all the time.




The card carrying extremists with A-type personalities are the ones who just don't get it in ideological terms.


I agree communists,marxists,socialists,Democrats, and Obama sure DON'T GET IT.

Flawless nanny state victory.

Created the worlds largest zoo funny that as those 'communists' will turn around and say don't feed the animals because it creates dependency.

Social engineering the environment to suit the individual since the New Deal so what is the score after 70 years of 'communist' ideology ?

What is that score?

Oh more people out of work, more intellectually challenged, more dependent on their 'benevolent' government to pay for their entire existence.

And the nerve to disparage the RIGHT?

The nerve?

Oh hell no that dog doesn't hunt.



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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 09:16 PM
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This country needs more socialists.

"Waahhh...immigrants don't think the way I do, they shouldn't vote...waaahh!"



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 09:35 PM
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Okay, I'll play your game for a minute...

What is so freaking scandalous about "working with" a legitimate ideology/political activists? Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them illegal or even wrong.

DSA believes that they can work within the current system by minimizing corporate power, government authority and strengthening individual workers and groups of workers. Personally? I don't see it as a possibility to work within the current system, it's too broken.
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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 10:04 PM
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I really wish he would discuss a whole lot more than immigration with them. Socialism has gotten a bad name but it is really the only fair and just way to survive on a planet with other people and limited resources.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 10:07 PM
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What is so freaking scandalous about "working with" a legitimate ideology/political activists? Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them illegal or even wrong.


Don't consider Democratic,Socialist,Marxist ideology to be 'legitimate' anymore than fascist ideology, and yeah they are wrong.

When their ideology is to use government to pay for people's existence that has not worked out so well for those paying attention.




DSA believes that they can work within the current system by minimizing corporate power, government authority and

'
What?

Use government to 'minimize' power?

We have seen how well that has worked out.




strengthening individual workers and groups of workers


That is a load of crap communist,marxist,socialists do everything at the expense of the individual as the group is above all else.




Personally? I don't see it as a possibility to work within the current system, it's too broken.


That's true as most of that breaking has been done at the hands of communists,marxists,socialists. AKA Democrats though they will never admit that they will always blame them evil rich folk, and those evil corporations.

Wanna know why all the animosity towards rich folks and corporations?

Simple fact it flies in the face of all what communists,marxist's.socialists,.Democrats try to brainwash people with they can't make it on their own and they need someone else to fight their battles, and do the things they can't,.

Straight up life has never been fair, jobs have never been fair, jobs are not suppose to pay the same wage. people are not suppose to get paid what they think they are worth, they are not suppose to get paid for nothing as in holiday pay,triple time, etc., they are suppose to get paid for the work they do.

It really is quite astounding at the materialistic greedy they have, and they scream at the tops of their voice Give me a job,Give me fiat currency all so they can go out and buy corporate products.

As they are under the false pretense having stuff means 'happiness'.

Quite the false illusion they have they are no better than those they decry.
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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by elouina

Originally posted by Tardacus
The most alarming thing about this is:


We worked together over these last few years.


By his own admission this wasn`t a one off thing, He`s been working "together" with them for YEARS!


I know... This bothered me also... But why is no one here concentrating of the important issue here? This could very well be our next Obama scandal.

And do you want to know what is scarier? That we don't have more upstanding citizens standing up to those with Marxists beliefs in this thread. Perhaps they should visit Russia and ask its citizens what they think of Marxism. Those were the darkest days of that countries history. Which still makes me wonder if Obama is just plain stupid or if he is trying to destroy the US?



Because of a bad experience with something like socialism? LOL Isn't this like saying all FIRE is bad because it burned down your house? The fact is, FIRE is GOOD, but not when you really don't know how to use it. Not even the first clue. Isn't that a little closer to the truth than saying something is bad just because you hurt yourself using it one time? Maybe you were using it wrong?

I know this...

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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 10:35 PM
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Piss moan whine blah blah blah socialism. I thought you were all about accountability and personal responsibility, there is no such thing as socialism or socialist policies in the US the closest we ever came was guess when? Our founding! So quit blaming something that doesn't even exist. Modern socialists may still appreciate Marx and hold his theories in high regard, but do not believe in his method of transition... get it through your head. Most socialists are anti-authoritarian or minimal... authority is delivered through government. Can you put 2 and 2 together here?

This is why language and definitions matter. You're the perfect example of the effect of misusing a word. You can disagree with the ideology all you want, I won't tell you that you're wrong for that... but I'm not the type to silently consent to the continued disinformation about Socialism.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 10:41 PM
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Let me get this straight

This is 'disinformation' ?




When a person think it's government responsibility to rob from the rich and give fiat currency and corporate products to the poor, and use FORCE to accomplish that nefarious action that is a what a socialist is. Social engineering the environment to suit the individual that creates a lifetime of servitude to the state. Socialist= DIRTY word. Socialist= If you expect other people to pay for your existence


Hardly that is a statement of fact.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by elouina
 


Okay, I'll play your game for a minute...

What is so freaking scandalous about "working with" a legitimate ideology/political activists? Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them illegal or even wrong.

DSA believes that they can work within the current system by minimizing corporate power, government authority and strengthening individual workers and groups of workers. Personally? I don't see it as a possibility to work within the current system, it's too broken.
edit on 8-8-2013 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)


Obviously you didn't read that article in my first post on Medina. He is an EXTREME Marxist and a person that no one in office should consider conferring with (over years mind you) on policy making decisions. And then actually admitting it! Obama said that he worked with Medina on immigration policy, you got that? Now go check out the "professional" that is helping him. This admission proves that Obama VALUES Medina's ideas. This just wasn't chatting over tea at a bistro. Then again, maybe they could of had a nice chat at the penitentiary cafe this month while Medina was in jail.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 12:58 AM
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George Soror!

Need I say more?



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Kali74
 


Let me get this straight

This is 'disinformation' ?




When a person think it's government responsibility to rob from the rich and give fiat currency and corporate products to the poor, and use FORCE to accomplish that nefarious action that is a what a socialist is. Social engineering the environment to suit the individual that creates a lifetime of servitude to the state. Socialist= DIRTY word. Socialist= If you expect other people to pay for your existence


Hardly that is a statement of fact.



That isn't socialism, socialism is an economic system not a government system. It's an economic system in which workers own the means of production rather than corporations, shareholders etc... it is economic power in more hands instead of fewer. The more economic power individuals hold the less need for government and social safety nets there will be.

It has absolutely nothing to do with stealing from the rich and giving it to the poor, that would be Statism... thanks for proving why people need to learn definitions.

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In your sources, I only see him labeled an extreme Marxist, I don't see any reasoning behind this labeling furthermore what exactly is an extreme Marxist anyway?

I see a person who believes in immigration reform that puts illegal immigrants on a path to citizenship as well as cutting the ridiculous amount of red tape involved in gaining citizenship for any that are applying. There's much I don't agree with Medina on, immigration reform isn't one of them.

What I also see is a person speaking at a Progressive voters function, who isn't admitting anything but simply reading the writing on the wall. Whatever political party helps people gain citizenship will also gain the loyalty of the people seeking citizenship at least until that goal is achieved, the majority of Latino's are Catholic Conservatives who fall more in line politically with the Republican party it's not anyone but the GOP's fault for losing a voting bloc.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 11:03 AM
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Redistribution of wealth, through both tax and spending policies that aim to reduce economic inequalities. Social democracies typically employ various forms of progressive taxation regarding wage and business income, wealth, inheritance, capital gains and property. On the spending side, a set of social policies typically provides free access to public services such as education, health care and child care, while subsidized access to housing, food, pharmaceutical goods, water supply, waste management and electricity is also common.


"Socialist Economics" - Wikipedia



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 11:46 AM
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Talk about cherry picking, try reading all of it then try seeing what most modern socialists value as an economic practice. It isn't that. 'Socialism' through the State, isn't really socialism since it doesn't put the means of production in the hands of workers and it does not end the problem, it only apologizes for it and attempts to buffer people from it.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Talk about cherry picking, try reading all of it then try seeing what most modern socialists value as an economic practice. It isn't that. 'Socialism' through the State, isn't really socialism since it doesn't put the means of production in the hands of workers and it does not end the problem, it only apologizes for it and attempts to buffer people from it.


So do you deny an aspect of Socialist Economics is redistribution of wealth?



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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Wake up folks.



But why would Republicans get behind such a plan? Some astute political observers advise that when politicians appear to be promoting agendas against their own interest, follow the money. As Center for Immigration Studies Executive Director Mark Krikorian put it, “It’s no surprise that the Republicans supporting this thing are the ones with ties to the Chamber of Commerce, not ordinary voters.”


Medina's views on it?


In 2009, Medina said, “We reform the immigration laws, it puts 12 million people on the path to citizenship and eventually voters. Can you imagine if we have, even the same ratio, two out of three? If we have eight million new voters … We will be creating a governing coalition for the long term, not just for an election cycle …”


“GOP Immigration Plan Devised by Communist Party”



Really read what this man is saying. Hes not hiding what he wants.


Agenda is driven by only one thing. Money and Power. Those wanting a Utopia or think that Leaders are looking out for their best interests, are living in a fairytale.


15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

Communist Goals (1963)



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 12:44 PM
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I suggest you actually read about socialism as I already said.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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I suggest you actually read about socialism as I already said.


I just did, how do you think I found the part I copy/pasted?



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 04:34 PM
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I seriously doubt you read all of it, you seemed to miss one of the first paragraphs that talked about how there are many socialist economic theories.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 


I seriously doubt you read all of it, you seemed to miss one of the first paragraphs that talked about how there are many socialist economic theories.


I don't really care a lick about theoretical economics.

Can you provide any Socialist economic models in practice that do not redistribute wealth via a progressive tax structure?
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