"Conservative Policies are Driving Americans to Suicide…"

reply to post by Hefficide


As you can see. I have no problem putting those two jokers, Bush and Clinton, into the same box.

I also have no problem calling it the way I see it, regardless if there is a R or D in front of the name.

reply to post by sonnny1


I find it bazar that I get labeled as a republican all of the time. I have voted both sides of the fence. I vote for who I think will do the best job for our country. Although I do find myself in these kind of post all the time. For the simple fact that the liberals who support this current administration cant even see that the real problem is the politicians and values they support.

These morons are blinded by their illusions and our country is a stake. Not to mention our freedoms and rights we have become accustomed to.

They tow the party line no matter how bad it is for our country. Will they ever wake up? Probably not .

reply to post by Diisenchanted


Right Now, we have a President who is implementing BS Policies and strangling our Nation. We have a weak Congress. We have no real leadership on the horizon.

People need to wake up. We dont need Bigger Government. We need Less.

Honestly, I dont know anyone who is willing to say "I am proud to be on Welfare." Where are the Jobs? If you are going to implement a program, implement one that works ! 67 % of America doesn't want Obamacare. Do you think our Politicians are listening? Hell no. Republicans fighting Republicans. Republicans fighting Democrats. Democrats not listening to the voters...... Ugh..........


/Rant off.

reply to post by Willtell


I live in a liberal town and just heard today at the county fair that a 27 year old just recently committed suicide. Our city commission had a 3-2 lead in liberal commissioners so they make all the policies basically. The city manager is also liberal. These liberals in city government have raised the budget by a huge amount every year and most of that goes to city employees(read:unions and pension liablilities) and the city manager just created a brand new department. The city employees make much more than the average private resident, and in a town as small as this it is completely unsustainable. It looks like we are heading in the same direction as Detroit, which by the way also was run by liberal Democrats since the 60's.
I guarantee there are no conservative policies running things here and the unions run the town. They have run all industry and business away with all that silly environmentalist nonsense. Just today I had a conversation with a guy in some environmental NGO who claims that they are not anti-jobs so I just suggested that the loss of jobs from them opposing mining, natural gas. and coal extraction is just an accidental by-product of their Agenda 21 policies.
Your argument and that of your source are completely biased by political inventions and ideologies not based in reality.

Overregulation of business destroys the marketplace and that is thoroughly and 100 percent liberal policy. Oh yes and you do know that the very liberal Kennedy family made their money bootlegging during Prohibition. Would you say that Prohibition was austerity or regulation?
The Fed routinely uses austerity to slow the economy by raising interest rates. At this point now, they cannot raise interest rates without collapsing the economy. The economy is not growing and it's not because of Bush or Republicans. It's because the government is out of control and spending more on employees and unfunded liabilities while destroying incentives for business growth and expansion. Obamacare has been one of the factors in this. Employers are cutting hours of employees because of Obamacare. And that is 100 per cent Democrat.

Originally posted by Willtell
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Look what Jerry Brown did in California. A balanced reasonable approach. Not hysterical cuts that hurt people. Took a basket case and revived it by a balanced approach.
No left wing or right wing dogma

I'm shocked you'd use California as the example. No right or left? lol.... California is about as Non-Partisan as Texas. Just opposite sides of the extremes. However, Gov. Moonbeam led the State into near ruin his FIRST time at bat (I lived there then, albeit a wee tyke at the time.....his legacy, I endured. Including his infernal poison helicopters dusting the population. His idea. His baby)

Jerry Brown Stands Atop California's Collapsing House Of Cards

To be fair and honest here, I can think of Democrat led states that aren't doing too bad. Not that bad at all, given all things to be considered. California would have been dead last...and I'm sure not doing work for ya in listing the ones that would have supported the point rather well.

Again, you or no one else can name one time in economic history did austerity bring prosperity. It makes things worse

You must have missed where I said I have not, would never and I mean ever ever, support Austerity in ANY form or concept it's presented or practiced, anywhere in the world today. Okay, I didn't use that many words the first time, but you missed it, so I insure it's not misunderstood twice.

You’re making a lot of noise; I commend you but no logical or relevant info to the essence of the question.

If the actual numbers to the REAL budget is noise and irrelevant, then just what is relevant? What data or objective and sourced information would be logical? I rather thought the raw numbers to what we're talking about was the MOST relevant?

Austerity in Europe, the States, and the US economy has never worked; isn't working and likely will never work.

See above. never supported it. Never would. Never will. In any form. Anywhere. (Surely we're good to go on that point by now, eh?)

Just the facts mam

Indeed. It's what I deal in and with for these debates. Nothing but. I source every material or important fact or meaningful data set to the original producer of it or as close as humanly possible. By the way, are you planning to source anything you're claiming while saying anyone who disagrees is wrong..pretty much cause you say they are?

Not everyone is quite as blunt as I am about saying 'Source or it didn't happen'...but I have little doubt everyone notices the lack of them when debating people directly. Just my thoughts....

reply to post by Damian65

You that condone the pain of this world because you want more for yourself shall be judged and punished....it is NOT ok

Oh nothing like using the name of Jesus and *^%%fire and brimstone to guilt us all into accepting socialist policies. Austerity is not about "hoarding" wealth but living within one's means and that goes for government too. If you would but take your own advice and study up on the tactics and policies of the Federal Reserve you would understand that it is the stealing of the wealth of the people by the International Bankers and not austerity measures which is destroying our Republic and our prosperity. Sackcloth and mourning is not the way either and you would know that if you really study the bible. Jesus did not preach that government should redistribute the taxpayers money. But somehow Christian socialism was born sometime after Karl Marx.

Jesus taught us that God wants us to live the abundant life

Jesus says, “I have come that you may have life and have it abundantly,” (John 10:10).

wolfmueller.wordpress.com...

Jesus never taught us to be dependent on the government for our sustenance. He did however multiply the loaves and fishes by precipitation from the Universal Supply. Multiplying is different from dividing. He did not divide the loaves and fishes. He did teach us that in giving we also receive but he did not preach involuntary confiscation of the wealth by a government which employs out of control spending and that is what we have today. Austerity measures are just a desperate measure to get control of debt and spending by runaway government.
Socialism is not the answer and is not the Way taught by Jesus.
However, you are probably right in that those who steal the abundance of a people using government force or other monopolistic exploits may be judged.
When we imagine that it is a people's right to get sustenance from a government, we must accept that the government giveth and the government taketh away.
Do we really want to give government that kind of power over our life?

reply to post by Hefficide


Heff, that is not a statement by Jesus to redistribute the wealth by government force as a way to allay poverty. Jesus never said that government was the way, the truth, and the life. The whole passage is about not challenging Caesar and getting oneself killed over it. He really was not giving Caesar power in that, as he knew that Caesar would ultimately reap the karma of his own sowing. And so will our government thieves of today.
The apostle Paul said that every man shall bear his own burden. This is a statement of personal responsibility. In the same address he says that we are our brothers keeper. The point of this is that charity is important but so is also personal responsibility. The welfare state is a stopgap measure, a bandaid, not a real solution. The welfare state is not charitable, it is control and there is a difference.

1 Corinthians 13:3

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

biblehub.com...

The government confiscating goods from the people to redistribute to others is not charity but control. A people controlled by a greedy Totalitarian government is not a happy people. One would think we learned that lesson from Communist Russia, but alas there are many today who seem to think they can still bring the Utopia.

reply to post by sonnny1

Giving Communist China Most favored Nation Status. BTW, it was Clinton who pushed it, a

And Hillary once sat on the board of Wal-Mart. I wonder if that was before or after they starting buying everything from China.

Which shows that Americans happiness is based on money alone !!!

No wonder they're killing themselves.

Austerity in the UK is hitting the most vulnerable the hardest. This is why we are having suicides in this country. I volunteer at a charity for young homeless and have had to deal with young people who have been kicked out of their homes or left their abusive homes and are pretty much left to fend for themselves. Many have mental issues, such as Aspergers, autism, bipolar depression.
They are meant to be finding work or they get sanctioned and lose any benefits. The problem is, these youngsters don't really understand what's going on or the system. They can't fill out the complicated and deliberately misleading documents, so they end up with nothing.

Every week we deal with people wanting to kill themselves or who have been self harming, with knife cuts along their arms. I live in a relatively affluent part of the country, so dread to think what is going on in the more deprived areas of our nation.

I don't really blame our conservative government. Most of the problems arouse under a Labour government, the ones who were meant to protect the vulnerable and workers. Yet the gap between rich and poor rose under New Labour, they failed the country on a criminal scale.

I'm no fan of this current Conservative government, they behave like I expected them too. The Torries represent the interests of the ownership class. It was Labour who sold their soul to the devil and going against the very people they claim to represent by embracing neo liberalism.

Everything is 'on the rise'. (Everything!)

With an overall population that is steadily increasing, logic dictates that anything and everything pertaining to that population, will also increase.




Sure, there may be a very small percentage of things that could defy that, but for the most part, it will hold true.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Willtell

 

I live in a liberal town and just heard today at the county fair that a 27 year old just recently committed suicide. Our city commission had a 3-2 lead in liberal commissioners so they make all the policies basically. The city manager is also liberal. These liberals in city government have raised the budget by a huge amount every year and most of that goes to city employees(read:unions and pension liablilities) and the city manager just created a brand new department. The city employees make much more than the average private resident, and in a town as small as this it is completely unsustainable. It looks like we are heading in the same direction as Detroit, which by the way also was run by liberal Democrats since the 60's.
I guarantee there are no conservative policies running things here and the unions run the town. They have run all industry and business away with all that silly environmentalist nonsense. Just today I had a conversation with a guy in some environmental NGO who claims that they are not anti-jobs so I just suggested that the loss of jobs from them opposing mining, natural gas. and coal extraction is just an accidental by-product of their Agenda 21 policies.
Your argument and that of your source are completely biased by political inventions and ideologies not based in reality.

Overregulation of business destroys the marketplace and that is thoroughly and 100 percent liberal policy. Oh yes and you do know that the very liberal Kennedy family made their money bootlegging during Prohibition. Would you say that Prohibition was austerity or regulation?
The Fed routinely uses austerity to slow the economy by raising interest rates. At this point now, they cannot raise interest rates without collapsing the economy. The economy is not growing and it's not because of Bush or Republicans. It's because the government is out of control and spending more on employees and unfunded liabilities while destroying incentives for business growth and expansion. Obamacare has been one of the factors in this. Employers are cutting hours of employees because of Obamacare. And that is 100 per cent Democrat.

edit on 2-8-2013 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

I agree with the most part of what you posted and all I would add is......Without jobs when hope is lost is there really any wonder people are taking their own lives. The amount of anti-depressants taken in America should point to "we already had a problem"..

Our tax system sucks, our small companies can not get ahead with the taxes and government regulation, and many have shut the doors or moved across the southern border or overseas. Big Corp has most it's money overseas already and I doubt they will bring any home just to give the government 35%..I darn sure wouldn't unless I had too... if made overseas it stays overseas...

Wait until more and more people are cut back to the magic number of 29 hours a week and have to work two jobs (if they can find work at all) then we will have an even bigger problem with people dropping out IMO. Unions will try to protect their pay checks but good luck unless you are a government employee, otherwise, the company will shut the doors or move to a place where $9 dollars a day is a living for the employees..

Someone mentioned California and how well they are doing now.....Really glad to hear that for I thought many of their larger businesses had moved out of state to get away from their stupid taxes and government regulation....So if the numbers are correct all I can say is WTG Jerry...!... first good news I have heard coming out of there for 20 plus years.

Part of me thinks natural selection is always at work... yet another part says this selection process has been brought about by people we elected in good faith to manage the countries assets and make America strong an prosperous; they have failed, failed, failed, by any yard stick you want to measure their success with....

It's not just happening in the USA...here's some from the UK.
Spain and Greece and many other counties have also seen an increase in suicides over welfare reforms.

uk.answers.yahoo.com...

www.urban75.net...

reply to post by Willtell
This was an interesting thread tell I read a couple of pages and saw that when posters were coming back with facts and pertinent questions to your OP you would just go to talking points and ignore there attempt for a factual debate or just ignore them all together. It becomes a little obvious as to your agenda.

Any integrity you might have had or respect for your opinion no longer applies at that point

Back to your OP, so then when people on the dole get there free stuff taken they commit suicide, is that the jest of this report?.............................and the problem is what?

reply to post by Willtell
Really? But what about the Liberal/Democratic policies which is driving AMERICA to its suicide IMO?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Willtell

 

A democrat lead majority in the Senate, a democrat in the White House, yet it is conservative policies?

Did I miss something here?

Did I wake up in Bizarro World?

I'm confused. I thought we were on the "road to recovery" (trademark Obama ) thanks to all his policies.

Doesn't matter who has what where. It still takes two to tango.....

So your logic is to keep printing more funny fiat money, that virtually will have no value and everyone will live long lives because there will be no jobs to make them tired ?? Of course I'm being sarcastic, but no more illogical than your assertion that austerity and conservative policies are bringing us down. Seems that just the opposite is true. Most of the economic problems seem to be the result of rampant socialism and disregard for overspending.

Originally posted by Willtell
The conservative Republicans are blocking everything Obama wants to do.

Good to hear that they are trying to contain the damage that Obama could be doing.
I can only imagine if this guy had free run of the place! YIKES!!

I think there's a gang of Liberals (reporters or diehard/local party supporters at state level) out there fishing for some fresh ideas (as there isn't much coming out of their camp) using ATS as the medium by posting BS topics and threads IMO. Stir the pot and wait for positive functioning ideas and opinions, and then claim them as their own during election(s) as usual (atleast the working and successful ones) Its not the first time that I have seen something on ATS only for it to popup in the media weeks/months/years later as a fresh new idea. There are some very intelligent members on this site with very well thought out contributions. I have also seen news links popup weeks after it has surfaced on ATS a many times.

reply to post by Willtell

This is so stupid in thought.

No, Conservative polices are not doing this.

People not being able to handle the withdraw from Govt is causing this.

So stupid.