"Men On Strike"

reply to post by Realtruth


First, i am not relating to the author because i do not really think that the people she is referring to are men.

Second, i am certain that with your experiences in law enforcement you feel that is the case.
However i would point out the insane popularity of 50 Shades of Grey had less to do with it being a well-written and brilliant novel and more to do with the heavy sexual themes that include bondage/dominance and submission. This implies to me that a lot of women miss the slightly rougher play and selfish male sexual desire evidenced in this book as opposed to the whining rhetoric, or reliance on internet porn, that comes from most men regarding their sex life.
(And if you are in a relationship with anyone then one of you is the Dominant partner and one of you is the submissive partner. It is nature.)

Let us please not forget that despite what Feminists might say, there is actually an entire portion of the female population that wants their men to act like men in all their growling glory and not whining like puppies that need to tinkle.

Working Women's Fantasies

Originally posted by Thorneblood

(And if you are in a relationship with anyone then one of you is the Dominant partner and one of you is the submissive partner. It is nature.)
Let us please not forget that despite what Feminists might say, there is actually an entire portion of the female population that wants their men to act like men in all their growling glory.

Not disagreeing with you on this at all. Men should be able to act like men, and that is the authors point.

She say's that due to the social, legal, and government rules, and constraints men are getting punished by the system when they try to be men, and if they don't act like men they get punished also.

If a man acts like a man, and somewhere along the line of a relationship a woman buys into the tripe of feminism, the man that acts like a man will be punished, on many levels for doing so.

I have seen plenty of good family men, that do everything right in a marriage only to find out the wife is not content and she is leaving, next step, demonize everything that she can muster, in the past relationship, so she gets paid on the way out.

It takes two to get married and one to dissolve it. I hope you never experience this situation, because I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. The ones that truly lose out are the children involved.

Until you have walked the path it's hard to understand, that is why I say "I hope you never experience divorce"

Peace,

RT

And i still argue that for every 1 man who is actually in that situation, three more are just using all that as an excuse to not pay child support, spend time with their kids or get over their inflated sense of persecution.

Originally posted by Thorneblood
And i still argue that for every 1 man who is actually in that situation, three more are just using all that as an excuse to not pay child support, spend time with their kids or get over their inflated sense of persecution.

With all due respect you not arguing the topic and are getting way off topic here. We are not talking just about child support, time with kids or persecution. but the fact that men don't want relationships period and are seeking alternatives to the traditional man/woman union.

Have you even taken the time to listen to the Youtube I posted in the OP?

Please do not derail the thread.

Thanks

Oh I completely agree with this, I am not getting anywhere near a relationship or marriage. I've made friends instead. Women may find this offensive, but I'm sorry, you can have your freedom, but you need to be respectful of men if you want to date them.

I have been cheated on (one time a girl I was dating had sex with three men, including a prisoner, over the weekend while standing me up and was also married, which I found out about later), and completely disrespected on multiple occasions. I have absolutely no reason to think that it is safe to date.

Most of my female friends think that it is fine to have sex with and date multiple men without even caring about what those men think - in fact, the girls get very angry when the men ask for an exclusive relationship, yet also get very angry when the men see someone else.

Not to mention terrible reliability rates - if I ask a girl to go on a date, she will not show up most of the time, with no prior notice. I have also been having completely normal conversations via text or Facebook or e-mail and suddenly never hear from the girl again.

For example, a girl and I were talking last Monday about going to coffee Tuesday. That was literally it. The next day, she had blocked me on Facebook.

Women: I DO NOT CARE if you want freedom, but BE RESPECTFUL OF OTHER PEOPLE. Jesus.

By being respectful I mean stuff that should be fairly legitimate - Letting me know you won't be able to make it to a date, trying to show up to a date, attempting to stay in contact without suddenly stopping for no reason (literally no reason) or at least letting me know first, letting me know if you are married, letting me know if you are having sex with other people, etc.

Basic stuff, people....... it isn't too much to ask.

reply to post by darkbake


So what did I do instead?

I started a band with a gay man, who later got married to another man, let's see... we formed our own company. I started another science company with another man. I moved in with 2 guys whom I plan on hopefully living with for 5-20 more years,

I made some awesome girls as friends who are completely in the friend-zone indefinitely, until they earn their way out...

Mmmm i did, it is a great line to sell books to men who have let life whip them but compared to my own experiences and what statistics tell me it is just pandering for profits.

I see a double standard, in our society and even here on ATS.

When a topic like this comes up and men want to share there experiences they are labeled as, whiners, not manly, irresponsible, and more, but when we look deep into the comments it only re-enforces what Dr. Smith is saying.

The point of this thread is for men to actually see that they are not alone, in their current state of being, and that many others are in a similar situation.

reply to post by Realtruth


Hey, check it out, I shared my experiences and what I did about it - which was find alternatives. Kind of exactly like what the book said, lol.

@Thornblood: It is kind of like a stand-off. I expect that one of the girls that I'm friends with may want to date me eventually, but I'm fine being friends, really. Like... I don't want to date in this climate, and I am not into random hook-ups. But I'm finding cool stuff to do - like art, music, businesses, improving the world, friends, etc.

So meanwhile, I'm pretty content. And it isn't bad to learn how to be friends with girls. It would be pretty cool to date one after legitimately just being friends for 5-10 years.

Oh, and since I've been avoiding dating, I don't have to pay any child support. :-)

And I'm not whining, I solved the problem in a very effective manner.

reply to post by sixswornsermon


I wish you the best of luck, how many dates have you been on with her so far

@Hotel1: Feminism has great effects, like I get to spend time gaming with room-mates, getting to know girls as friends, and build relationships with other men. Haha :-) Seriously. It is awesome to come home and spend time gaming.

Not the best for making me want to settle down (with a girlfriend) or have sex. I should clarify - I do other things besides gaming, and I have extremely amazing girls as friends I talk to quite a bit.

Originally posted by Realtruth

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
This is why when I am mad at my girlfriend, I'll tighten all the lids to all the jars, and all the caps to all the bottles in the fridge. Not just tight, but only Superman or I could open it tight.

Sometimes you have to remind your woman why they need you around . . .

Wow!

That is really a twisted and underhanded thing to do.

Women aren't the only ones who can play the passive-aggressive game. Sometimes you don't have to yell or say mean things to get your point across.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


Yes, women are making the dating game harder for themselves as men learn

reply to post by darkbake


Yup, you just are proving you don't need a woman to be happy. A good job and a Fleshlight will make everything alright

Originally posted by darkbake

So meanwhile, I'm pretty content. And it isn't bad to learn how to be friends with girls. It would be pretty cool to date one after legitimately just being friends for 5-10 years.

Oh, and since I've been avoiding dating, I don't have to pay any child support. :-)

edit on 30-7-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)

There is nothing wrong with having a healthy relationship with a woman, and having a child/children. Children will be one of the most incredible experience you can have in life, but make sure you understand the time commitment.

Children want one thing and that is love and time spent with them.

Plenty of good women out there, it's just they are over-whelmed by the status quo that seems to be self-centered narcissists, that care only about one thing, themselves. A healthy relationship will be compromised of two people who are committed to the same goals, and when the "for better or worse" happens they don't bail out due to an episode of Oprah being on TV.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by darkbake

 

Yup, you just are proving you don't need a woman to be happy. A good job and a Fleshlight will make everything alright

And thank you for not posting a picture of the Fleshlight and a related link.

Peace,

RT

reply to post by Realtruth


I think the problem is, I get a PTSD response from my (many) past dating experiences, so it provokes anxiety when I think about getting involved with a girl or having sex - this alone reduces my motivation to be in a relationship, even with a great girl - and this is a valid psychological analysis, as far as I can tell from my psychology background.

So in this manner, some girls can ruin it for the rest. I tend to call myself a feminist, but I'm also very centrist on many issues.

Oh - one more thing - America is going to go off the deep end I think when it comes to culture, if the current trends continue, it is going to be pretty funny.

reply to post by Realtruth


No, but I will post this relevant image to the discussion topic:



(safe for work, non-offensive book cover) If someone can emebed the image that would be awesome.

When books like the one I linked to are being written, it does seem that there is somewhat of a bias against us men. I mean, do us guys have similar books being published?

Also note that in the image above, the book is marked down on sale! Probably because the target audience doesn't have the money yet!

reply to post by MystikMushroom


$500 a month from a deadbeat for child support?? Seriously?

Hello ATS, my name is NRE.. and I am a woman....


... whew there I said it. But I am also independent, a free-thinker, compassionate, and yes sometimes bat--- crazy. I have been sometimes happily single for a few years, and I find that men not woman direct the discussion more or less to unnecessary topics, and are concerned with things that they know they shouldn't want, but do.

IMHO men that end up with woman like that, are men that want validation from others for their choice, this is where I think it goes horribly wrong, as far as children, its a mans responsibility just as much as a woman for protection. If I can get my tubes tied, then you can get a vasectomy.

We no longer want our significant others to be our friends, or considered our loved ones, or even, yes, the sappy soul mates, but we avoid it, because the outside may not look right, but the inside does. Women that wear a thong, 2in mini, and stilletos is NOT looking for a man to settle down with.

If anything woman have found a way to separate themselves from the good and the bad, the difference is that physically the bad, looks real good... at least till the baby comes.

If a pic is of her in a nightie, with her finger in her mouth, and says she likes fast cars, and shopping, why do men run and stalk them, and when they get cheated on or shot down they get angry?

You like reading go to a book store, you like movies? Go to one alone sometime and say hello to a women there by herself.

Hey guys... (looking around).... the secret is that the woman that doesnt have her butt and boobs out is the one that will rock your world, read a book with you, and be a fellow member here on ATS

Peace, NRE.

reply to post by NoRegretsEver


So what your telling me...

Is we should look for homely, overweight, insecure women to have all the aforementioned things us "guys want" (the validation and all that). . . because the women men find attractive don't give a hoot about men at all.

It's called a tease; using biologically programmed physical triggers to excite men -- only to treat them horribly.

So I guess I'll tell all my friends to go ahead and date that woman with 40 cats, who comes home each night to a box of Snackwell diet cookies and who watches episodes of "The View". Because, after all, it's those kinds of women that won't cheat or tease a man, right?