Jimmy Carter: Eric Snowden’s Exposure Of NSA Spying Program Was ‘Beneficial’

Just glad to see somebody, well known, come out and support him instead of all these people calling him a traitor and explaining he is destabilizing the security of the country.

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Good for him, I don't wanna go offtopic but isn't there someone to expose the truth about UFOs and is there alien presence here or not, cause I haven't seen any whisleblowers saying it is all lies and frankly the clues are more in favor of the Yes answer... cause this secrecy is all that matters.

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What do you think Booz Allen Hamilton is? Much of what had previously been work performed by government employees has been shifted to private sector companies. What you end up with are places like Fort Meade which will still have a federal employee component but also be largely made up of employees of private contractors. It's why Snowden even exists. He was working at the NSA but as an employee of BAH. The problem with the privatization of defense is that it creates a whole lot of ambiguity. A lot of the companies that are private contractors are privately held (iow, stock in them is held by private investors and they are not required, by law, to report their information to the SEC through 10k filings) so basic information on who is actually running the company and more is not up for public perusal. It also poses an issue as R&D that may take place is really uninfluenced by public opinion and any breaches of public trust would literally go unfelt by the contractor. Most are incorporated or a form of LLC--both of which provide for limited liability. Basically, you can't "pierce the veil" except in the case of fraud.

It creates very, very serious ambiguity, recourse, and liability issues and that is the last thing that you want to slip into a position of power. In place in the defense sector, it can be downright dangerous as the activities of these companies may be wholly unaffected by public opinion. A good example of what can go wrong would be Dyncorp, some of whose employees were engaging in human trafficking in Bosnia (the subject of the film, The Whistleblower, w/Rachel Weisz) and incidents in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Dyncorp Wiki

Originally posted by frazzle
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A former U.S. president says that he supports Eric Snowden’s decision to expose the NSA’s domestic spying program.

Eric? Does Edward have an evil twin? Now that would be pretty cool for evasive purposes. He's here, no he's there.

That was my first thought too... or rather, in classic above-top-secret fashion, I wondered whether in fact a reality shift had occurred and I was the only one to remember that Snowden's first name used to be Edward. I actually googled to double-check... Apparently.... not yet....

His visiting Gaza and schmoozing with Hamas leaders, his support of an NSA leaker who threatens that his "expose" could devastate America, simply doesn't make sense. Jimmy Carter's cognitive faculties must be degrading - he must be developing some enigmatic form of dementia that causes you to forget how to weigh costs and benefits.

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It's been like that for years and they don't even hide it.
CNN for instance has had different landing pages for US and International audience for years, and separate TV channels with vastly different content.

There is a lot of stuff you just don't see if you are only relying on US sources for news.

Carter has officially gained my respect. A former president being able to come out with his true opinion, despite it going against the mainstream views. A man who can stand by what he believes in even if it's not a popular opinion. I wish that we would have more men like this run for president, let alone be leaders not the cowards running the show who just tell people what they THINK they want to hear. It's a disappointment we don't have more people like this in the world leading the way.

Originally posted by rainprincess64
Carter has officially gained my respect. A former president being able to come out with his true opinion, despite it going against the mainstream views. A man who can stand by what he believes in even if it's not a popular opinion. I wish that we would have more men like this run for president, let alone be leaders not the cowards running the show who just tell people what they THINK they want to hear. It's a disappointment we don't have more people like this in the world leading the way.

What a shame that he had to go to Europe do it. The press in the US is not covering the remarks of a former president. A complete break with tradition regarding respect for the office.

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Very true

Originally posted by WhiteAlice
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

What do you think Booz Allen Hamilton is? Much of what had previously been work performed by government employees has been shifted to private sector companies. What you end up with are places like Fort Meade which will still have a federal employee component but also be largely made up of employees of private contractors. It's why Snowden even exists. He was working at the NSA but as an employee of BAH. The problem with the privatization of defense is that it creates a whole lot of ambiguity. A lot of the companies that are private contractors are privately held (iow, stock in them is held by private investors and they are not required, by law, to report their information to the SEC through 10k filings) so basic information on who is actually running the company and more is not up for public perusal. It also poses an issue as R&D that may take place is really uninfluenced by public opinion and any breaches of public trust would literally go unfelt by the contractor. Most are incorporated or a form of LLC--both of which provide for limited liability. Basically, you can't "pierce the veil" except in the case of fraud.

It creates very, very serious ambiguity, recourse, and liability issues and that is the last thing that you want to slip into a position of power. In place in the defense sector, it can be downright dangerous as the activities of these companies may be wholly unaffected by public opinion. A good example of what can go wrong would be Dyncorp, some of whose employees were engaging in human trafficking in Bosnia (the subject of the film, The Whistleblower, w/Rachel Weisz) and incidents in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Dyncorp Wiki

edit on 19/7/13 by WhiteAlice because: apparently, I need more coffee.

Well I guess that is what happens when most LOVE capitalism and hate any form of real socialism. They want EVERYTHING privatised, including the government. America be dammed, the world be dammed.

Socialism and communism are not the same thing. When I think of socialism I tend of think of canada. I don't think in canada private companies run the government. Only in america land of the free and home of the brave....land of the slaves and home of the ignorant cowards!

Originally posted by ImpactoR
reply to post by dominicus

 

Good for him, I don't wanna go offtopic but isn't there someone to expose the truth about UFOs and is there alien presence here or not, cause I haven't seen any whisleblowers saying it is all lies and frankly the clues are more in favor of the Yes answer... cause this secrecy is all that matters.

A few have tried and all have failed. There records have been deleted, some have been killed. MSM avoids ufos and aliens like talking about the plague. Its not in the ptb best interest obviously!

“I believe the invasion of privacy has gone too far,” Carter told CNN. “And I believe the secrecy around it was excessive.”

Yet when I search "jimmy carter nsa" in cnn.com, nothing about this shows up. Are they afraid to speak? Did journalism lost their freedom of speech or what?

I have a really good question. If JFK defied the machine and was killed. What did Reagan do to make them angry? As I recall, he really was nearly killed with the bullet missing it's mark by less then a inch!! I just can't recall anything he could have done with the exception of rebuilding America's military.

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Well all the America MSM has it seems. Most of them are liberal Obama supporters.

That should tell 'ya right there.

-SAP-

Originally posted by dominicus

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
It doesn't really matter now does it? If Eisenhower was aware of the dangers of the military industrial complex, then surely Carter was also, so why didn't he try and do something when it mattered?

If I recall correctly, nsa spying on citizens became a thing under Bush just prior to 9/11......

On top of that I believe when a new President steps into office on the first day, they get a sit down with the mega-corp military contractor ceos and illuminati, letting him know he's just an actor on a stage, a puppet.

Quoted for truth. Day One they are told "you work for us, now DANCE."

Political lies are Corporate decisions.

Derek

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Although Carter was an absolute disaster as a President, I always felt that he was a decent person, and this just strengthens that belief. Some would say his heart is in the right place. Apparently, his judgment of people is also there, as well as his sense of decency.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
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Although Carter was an absolute disaster as a President, I always felt that he was a decent person, and this just strengthens that belief. Some would say his heart is in the right place. Apparently, his judgment of people is also there, as well as his sense of decency.

Well he did walk into a mess of an administration and had to clean things up himself. I think he was just a smart guy with a good heart........whereas most presidents are corporate-fascist puppets with no heart, conscience, etc....

regardless, his opinion on this matter, as an ex-prez, is priceless!!!!

Who wants to live in a total Surveillance State?

Uh....I dont!

Originally posted by Astrocyte
His visiting Gaza and schmoozing with Hamas leaders, his support of an NSA leaker who threatens that his "expose" could devastate America, simply doesn't make sense. Jimmy Carter's cognitive faculties must be degrading - he must be developing some enigmatic form of dementia that causes you to forget how to weigh costs and benefits.

He's one of those rare christians that is driven by principle and honesty, rather than by dollars and cents, if that's what you're getting at.

Though I did not vote for Carter all those years ago, once he got into office I liked him. Most honest man to occupy the Casa Blanca in my lifetime.

Good old Jimmy..he wasn't the best, but he was definitely one of your better presidents in my opinion.

If nothing else, after all is said and done, President Cater is a good guy...for a US politician and an ex-president no less, that's a real feat in and of itself these days.

Nice one President Carter, you tell the bastards how it is!