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Jimmy Carter: Eric Snowden’s Exposure Of NSA Spying Program Was ‘Beneficial’

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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 08:53 PM
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You posted this in the BAN forum. The rules specifically state that anything posted in the BAN forum must use the same title as the source article.




posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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Why are you so hyper? Its not your site and the mods can do as they please.

Just saying!

I write books too, but never advertise or say what they are on ATS .....and ghost write for a living for others.

I understand the power of words, the power of meaning, of intention, of original meaning, of communicating from the heart, from emotion, feeling .....to have your words changed by another is like blasphemy to a writer.....digress


Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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You posted this in the BAN forum. The rules specifically state that anything posted in the BAN forum must use the same title as the source article.

did not know that ...regardless its a moot point in the grand scheme of things....... carry on people....

I think Carter's legit. His opinion on this matter is HUGE!!!!! Snowden's going about this the right way!!!!! Too bad for B. Manning and Assange stuck in London for the rest of his life...... start a whistleblower island or something
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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 08:57 PM
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Any bets whether or not JC all-of-a-sudden dies from a brain aneurism...?



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 09:17 PM
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One thing that bothers me about the Snowden revelations is, the missing subjects. What issues his releases do not touch on. For example, no releases about "Drug Cartels" or International Mobsters. Even though they would be targets of interest for any intelligence agency, including the N.S.A. But on the other hand, maybe that shows the reality. The N.S.A. is better at spying on Americans than legitimate targets?



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
It doesn't really matter now does it? If Eisenhower was aware of the dangers of the military industrial complex, then surely Carter was also, so why didn't he try and do something when it mattered?


Of course, their hands are always tied when these figures are needed most...



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 09:28 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've never understood this board's ridicule of Carter. In terms of IQ he is hands down the smartest President we have had in a long while. On top of that though I also find that many of his beliefs and convictions jive with those of many ATS members. While we slam politicians for constant lies and pandering Carter is a man who says what he means and means what he says. When it comes to his Presidency he was dealt a bad hand. Could he have handled things better? Of course but I can think of few Presidents that would have fared any better. In closing I'm going to link to one of my favorite political speeches of all time. It was given by Carter in 1974 at the University of Georgia on Law Day.

Law Day Speech



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars

If you'll pardon the intrusion, I believe the real problem is that any intelligence effort demands moral unambiguity.

The real truth is that since the gentle insertion of strictly corporate contracting into such efforts... it simply will not be controlled... there is no liability - outside political peril.


So what exactly do they do at fort meade, menwith hill, pine gap, ascension islan, diego garcia, etc?

Are they covering up ufos and aliens(because lets face it rumors like this exist) or are they spying on every single phone call, fax, email, forum post, google search, etc?

Sure private contractors like microsoft, google, facebook provide support. I am not sure exactly what you meant, but I think the government is perfectly capable of spying directly and they do. NSA operations are technically higher than CIA operations, hence why they call it the national security agency. Both nsa and cia budgets have remained classified up till now.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by dominicus


Even Jimmy Carter is saying that the Snowden leaks are good, that democracy in America is dead because of NSA and rouge agencies over reaching, and that invasion of privacy has gone to far.
This originally came out in a German news source in Germany and notice that most MSM is not running this story.

You won't find this being mentioned on Fox, Msn, Cnn, or any others......hmmmmm i wonder why.

Cause after Michael Hastings was killed, all journalists are now fearing fkr their own lives and won't risk saying anything bad about big bro and all the black military programs/budgets.

Its like I woke up and am living in an Orwell novel where people are afraid to speak up, journalists get killed, big bro spying on citizens........is this real life?

www.opposingviews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


You can find information on this subject - very good information from alternative sources. A favorite of mine is Pacifica Radio (KPFK in Los Angeles). Wonderful commentary on the subject, with knowledgeable sources and discussion time devoted to differing sides to the issue.

There have been good articles in many print and online magizines.

It is being covered - just not on TV (which is all the news a lot of US citizens ever see - and it's my opinion that it isn't news at all - just infotanment.)



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've never understood this board's ridicule of Carter. In terms of IQ he is hands down the smartest President we have had in a long while. On top of that though I also find that many of his beliefs and convictions jive with those of many ATS members. While we slam politicians for constant lies and pandering Carter is a man who says what he means and means what he says. When it comes to his Presidency he was dealt a bad hand. Could he have handled things better? Of course but I can think of few Presidents that would have fared any better. In closing I'm going to link to one of my favorite political speeches of all time. It was given by Carter in 1974 at the University of Georgia on Law Day.

Law Day Speech


I agree, Jimmy Carter was brilliant and moral. If we have followed his energy plan we would be nearly energy independent today.

Not only did the Republican party collude with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after the election, the first act of Saint Ronnie was to remove the solar panels from the White House.

Watch "The Man from Plains" sometime, it's not political, it's about a fascinating and good man.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 11:08 PM
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The media never miss a chance to diss Jimmy Carter. Even though he is constantly doing good things.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 11:27 PM
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Carter seemed to be the most honest President in my life time, I think he got double shafted for the Iran hostage crisis, and a poor economy to on top of that. Not perfect sure, but up against Clinton or the Bushes for sincerity, he wipes them out. And lets not visit Obama's "hope" and "change" fail.



posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 12:27 AM
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And yet still people do not realize the truth. And not just the truth about the Snowden affair. But the truth regarding the fact that no US MSM outlets are running this story. Isn't that a little suspicious, and doesn't it make one wonder about the implications? To think that the MSM is all about reporting the truth, whether good or bad, whether it is good for one party or the other, is just preposterous. The MSM apparently is actually controlled in some degree by those with an agenda. I will leave it up to everyone to decide for themselves who is pulling the strings, and how many different people and organizations are pulling the strings, but with evidence mounting, it is becoming more and more clear.



posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by dominicus

Originally posted by seabag
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This is exactly how the Shtazi Gestapo started w keeping tabs and records. There will come a day within the next 10-20 years, if nothing is done about what Snowden,has revealed, that you won't be able to speak your mind like we do here, cause agents will bust the door down and take those who disagree to special "camps".......you will see it in your lifetime


Too late

We already have people serving time (8-10 years) for FACEBOOK comments.



posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 04:32 AM
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ohhhhh k.
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posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 07:43 AM
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One thing that bothers me about the Snowden revelations is, the missing subjects.



Patience! Greenwald revealed on several occasions that he is preparing the ground for more dramatic Snowden documents based revelations. I think it is a sound strategy. It lays a foundation of credibility for Greenwald and Snowden while familiarizing the non-conspiracy-nuts-majority with the scope of the surveillance. It also gives certain politicians time to get caught in their own lies and loosing credibility. For some persons and agencies it offers a chance to come clear in hope of minimizing and controlling the fallout. If they don't use that opportunity the impact will be even more dramatic.

Greenwald just announced a book based on the Snowden leaks with new information for March 2014 - all the while he will keep writing new articles - he made that very clear!

Buzzfeed just made it very clear that they will make sure Hastings and the kind of stories he was working on when he disappeared will not be forgotten - see my signature for a link with details.



posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

So what exactly do they do at fort meade, menwith hill, pine gap, ascension islan, diego garcia, etc?

Are they covering up ufos and aliens(because lets face it rumors like this exist) or are they spying on every single phone call, fax, email, forum post, google search, etc?

Sure private contractors like microsoft, google, facebook provide support. I am not sure exactly what you meant, but I think the government is perfectly capable of spying directly and they do. NSA operations are technically higher than CIA operations, hence why they call it the national security agency. Both nsa and cia budgets have remained classified up till now.


The governmental NCTC is above them all, is low key, although they have a website,

www.nctc.gov...

video, www.nctc.gov...

FBI and 15 other agencies are under the NCTC umbrella, what Snowden knows, they know. It is legal, presumably that is the congress's work, and also executive order 2004. Browse the site 'menu', in the light of Snowden's revelations each menu heading takes on a really Orwellian feel.

FBI website, extolling the virtues of NCTC,
www.fbi.gov...

Controversy, Wall St Journal,
online.wsj.com...

Controversy, Copycat Indian, (as in India) NCTC . It didn't get slipped in so easily as in the US,
www.sarkaritel.com...
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posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 09:33 AM
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This... from the fool who gave away the Panama Canal like a boobie prize at a Carnival. :shk:

If I want to learn what may or may not be beneficial to America on something? I'll learn, research and stick with it until I'm confident I know.

If I want to learn what will screw America the hardest? I'll ask Jimmy Carter. Gas lines, Embargoes, billions a year to Egypt and Israel for life along with economic disaster. That's Carters legacy and he's about the last person on this planet I'd want endorsing me for anything. With friends like Mr Peanut, who needs an enemy in life?



posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 10:40 AM
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Yea well, it was odd to say it but surely said at the right time. Look what happens in a "democracy" when people don't speak up. Our people have a responsibility to do that, and when we dont, we have a bunch of policies and laws and all sorts of crap happen and we're all wondering when the hell our country went a direction we didnt "know" it would go.

So ask yourself this, in a country where things like Freedom and Liberty are so important in terms of foundation, why the hell do the people have to fight for every last drop of it every time we turn around? Its like if you look away for a minute someone is swoopin in and trying to snatch it up and take it away. It shouldn't be like that.
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posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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Perhaps not...but the Snowden story is far from over and it's a work in progress. In thinking pretty hard over this whole thing. I've noticed two things about it, based in no small part on issues others have raised and caused me to stop and consider.

#1. Snowden ran like a cheetah to China then Russia where he sits, snug as a bug in a rug. This is no Ellsberg and Manning didn't take a flyer out the gate either. Perhaps it could be seen past..if not for #2.

#2. In my years of researching and digging things about Government in general and Intelligence in particular? I've seen juicier information than Snowden has so far released to the public, in officially declassified material put out by Uncle himself. I'll bet many here can say the same.

We've been teased with a blurry image of "the big picture" but we've been given precious little to nothing on detail. Almost everything Edward Snowden has so far "leaked" has done nothing but confirm the plot lines of "Enemy of the State". Where is the stuff we didn't know or rightly suspect long before he had an "attack of conscience"? ....meanwhile, whatever detail Russia is given has them back to typewriters in their intelligence offices. THEY sure got some info worth hearing, apparently. I wish we could even guess what it was.


Carter seems to be jumping the gun, talking on impulse (as usual) and not thinking much through. He just doesn't much care what he impacts or damages with his unsolicited opinions. Thankfully, few pay him much attention anymore, anyway.



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