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OK . . so what does all of this mean?
BELIEVE GOD'S WORD or you will believe satan's lies=your choice!===JOHN 14:9-11Jesus said unto him, “Have I been so long a time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself; but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works.
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me; or else believe Me for the very works’ sake.
aRE YOU SAYING YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO JESUS is talking about when he says HE and the father are one?
Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus
If you look at the Greek word translated as "him" twice in this verse, it does not necessarily have to mean a person.
3 All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made”
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by jmdewey60
I think there's far too many fanatics in this thread to discuss this issue rationally...
Nothing new presented either... just the same old arguments that hold no water...
You don't know this story?
Why did the Jews kill Jesus then.
The thread is claiming they are being deceived,
In ancient Canaan, the land out of which emerged the Land of Israel and the People of Israel, there were warrior gods with characteristics that parallel some of the martial characteristics of the biblical God of Israel. It must be noted, however, that the God of Israel is not merely a warrior deity, but in fact combines all traits and associations of the major deities, including sustenance, fertility and compassion. We concentrate on the martial aspects of the Israelite deity for the purposes of this article only. The god Yamm of Ugarit (broadly, in Canaan) had messengers who appear as flaming warriors with flaming swords, parallel to the cherubs and flaming turning sword put in place by the God of the Hebrew Bible in Gen.3:24 (see also Num.22:31, Josh.5:13, 2Sam. 24:16-17, 1Chron. 21:27-40), and the image of the God of Israel as warrior (Ex.15:3), storm god (Gen.7, Ex.14:21) and king (1Sam. 8) parallels that of the martial god of Canaan known as Ba`al. In most cases in the ancient Near East, the gods fought one another in the heavens just as their human followers fought one another below. In only one case known from the literature of Ugarit does a god fight human warriors as does the God of Israel, and this is the goddess Anat. It is theorized that Israel's rejection of the existence of gods aside from the God of Israel mitigated against the old presumption of gods fighting one another as their subject peoples fought one another, and necessitated the deity engaging directly in battles with the human enemies of Israel (Miller, 1973).
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All scholars, however, maintain that the biblical war narratives do not depict the actual history of the events they portray, but rather a literary interpretation.
HOLY WAR IDEA IN THE HEBREW BIBLE
Originally posted by chr0naut
Originally posted by borntowatch
Where does Jesus call us to worship Him,. or even pray to Him?
Other issues I will question after an answer to thisedit on 9-7-2013 by borntowatch because: (no reason given)
Matthew 15 8:-9 "This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men".
John 14:13 "You can ask for anything in my name, and I will do it, so that the Son can bring glory to the Father."
That being God was raising a nation and wiping out the remnant of giants and their offspring that survived the flood.
Has it occurred to you that these other "deities" like Baal were borrowing aspects of the true creator?
It seems obvious considering the limited range of abilities these other gods had and the fact that they had 0 power to ensure the survival of their "people" that they are the false amalgamations you are speaking of.