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What if Jesus is the DECEPTION?

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posted on Sep, 14 2013 @ 05:13 AM
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What evidence do I have? EXPERIENCE is what I have. I hear more about praising Jesus than praising GOD. I see children who are confused to the point of believing that Jesus IS God and there is nothing more or nothing less than Jesus AS God. I always thought that Jesus was sent to teach ppl how to be closer to God and to gain a better understanding of God, but in my experience Jesus get worshiped and loved and praised IN PLACE of God.

This is what has confused me, and brought me to the speculation that "Jesus is a deception". NOT because I believe Jesus "himself" IS a deception, but that his true message and meaning has been completely sensationalized and twisted to the point that ppl have God in the background and Jesus BEFORE God. Therefore, are they not breaking the rules when God says "You will have NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME"

That is the place I am coming from.




posted on Sep, 14 2013 @ 05:54 AM
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windword
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Jesus is NOT the creator of the universe, and never claimed to be.


Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


So, unless "God has a God", Jesus isn't God!


Deciding who Jesus of Nazereth is will be one of, if not the most important things a person will decide in life, as who you believe He is WILL have eternal consequences.

As a famous man named C.S Lewis once said... He is ether a Liar, a Lunatic, or LORD.

The Gospels do not leave any room for speculation that he might just be a Prophet or "wise man".

You fail to acknowledge that God is a Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity states that in the one God is the person of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each is not the same person as the other; yet there are not three gods but one.

Jesus said if you don't believe He is God you will die in your sins...

John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

This is one of the strongest verses showing who Jesus really claimed to be.

You can deny him windword but it does not change the truth.
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posted on Sep, 14 2013 @ 06:14 AM
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Jusvistn
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I always thought that Jesus was sent to teach ppl how to be closer to God and to gain a better understanding of God,


Which is essentially the same Lie the Muslims say about our Lord.


Jusvistn
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but in my experience Jesus get worshiped and loved and praised IN PLACE of God.


Because He is God. The second person of the Trinity.

Have a read: delightintruth.com...

It will help give you a better understanding of the Christian view of God.


Jusvistn
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This is what has confused me, and brought me to the speculation that "Jesus is a deception". NOT because I believe Jesus "himself" IS a deception, but that his true message and meaning has been completely sensationalized and twisted to the point that ppl have God in the background and Jesus BEFORE God.


Personally I think you are on shaky ground when you make a topic with such title. It could be said that you are further leading people astray. It would be best to think about your terms, but I know a title like this will attract alot of attention - not necessarily for the right reasons though.

Saying His message has been completely sensationalized and twisted is very vague, I'm unsure whether you mean the Bible as a whole or just the teachings of Jesus. But I would agree they have been, by cults, world religions, atheists and other such opponents of Christianity.

God is made up of three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Genesis speaks of God with a plural pronoun "us". So when people glorify Christ they are also Glorifying the Father.
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posted on Sep, 14 2013 @ 09:09 AM
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I always thought that Jesus was sent to teach ppl how to be closer to God and to gain a better understanding of God, but in my experience Jesus get worshiped and loved and praised IN PLACE of God.
And so it has always been.
This is not something new but something as old as the New Testament itself, starting with John the Baptist making straight the way of "the Lord", fulfilled by Jesus coming as 'the Lamb of God'.
"I will appear suddenly in my temple, says the Lord" was fulfilled by Jesus when he drove out the money changers.



posted on Sep, 14 2013 @ 09:13 AM
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jmdewey60
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I always thought that Jesus was sent to teach ppl how to be closer to God and to gain a better understanding of God, but in my experience Jesus get worshiped and loved and praised IN PLACE of God.
And so it has always been.
This is not something new but something as old as the New Testament itself, starting with John the Baptist making straight the way of "the Lord", fulfilled by Jesus coming as 'the Lamb of God'.
"I will appear suddenly in my temple, says the Lord" was fulfilled by Jesus when he drove out the money changers.


Enough with the op-ed babble.



posted on Dec, 27 2013 @ 11:50 PM
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posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 09:48 AM
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Maybe God didn´t want him to go as far as on the cross, and Jesus did the extra bit by his will alone. Being tired anyways of what he started.



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: Jusvistn
I'm not saying that Jesus never existed, and I'm not saying that Jesus wasn't a great inspiration bringing GODS will and knowledge to us, but I find it difficult to worship a man when GOD says you "will put no other GODS before me." Essentially, is that not what folks are doing when they are praying and worshiping Jesus INSTEAD of God?

And though Jesus teaches these things, and then tells us to worship him..... what if he is the true deception in the grand scheme of things?

Please show me where Jesus says to worship him.
thanks
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posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: Jusvistn
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What evidence do I have? EXPERIENCE is what I have. I hear more about praising Jesus than praising GOD. I see children who are confused to the point of believing that Jesus IS God and there is nothing more or nothing less than Jesus AS God. I always thought that Jesus was sent to teach ppl how to be closer to God and to gain a better understanding of God, but in my experience Jesus get worshiped and loved and praised IN PLACE of God.

This is what has confused me, and brought me to the speculation that "Jesus is a deception". NOT because I believe Jesus "himself" IS a deception, but that his true message and meaning has been completely sensationalized and twisted to the point that ppl have God in the background and Jesus BEFORE God. Therefore, are they not breaking the rules when God says "You will have NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME"




The true message of the bible has to be harnessed through allegories.
Example : Most people know about the parable of the lost son, I wonder how many hardcore bible fanatics managed to see in the recent story of Bowe Bergdahl a real-life replay, until this gets embarassing for the father as well.

Christian America ?


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posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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Exactly!


Here is my post from www.abovetopsecret.com...

Pasted here: The Antichrist is one who is not only against the true Messiah, but also stands in his place! As you say, 'a counterfeit', who would deceive even the Elect, if that were possible.

Think about this. On one hand we have Jesus Christ, Christian deity, God the Son, second person of a Triune godhead, worshipped on Sundays, also at Christmas and Easter, etc. etc.

This person bears no resemblance at all to the true Messiah, Yeshua, who is High Priest, and Son of God, who will lead his followers in worship of the Creator on the Sabbath and on all Biblically prescribed holy days.

The final gospel [sic] that is a sign of the end is that "They will hand you over to Tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations because of my name". (Matthew 24:9 & 14) Don't forget, whoever does not take up his execution stake to follow him, is not worthy of him!

No need to say who 'they' are...



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:46 AM
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Further to my previous post:

This 'God the Son' thing is a 180 degree distortion of the Biblical phrase 'Son of God'.

Satan can't get us to worship him directly - it was all he wanted when he tempted the Son of God in the desert and in exchange he offered him the whole world and everything in it, for a mere bow of worship! Matthew 4: 8-9.

And Satan so wants to be God, that he mimics God and his 'son' is the son of perdition / man of sin. And through him, Satan is worshipped vicariously, but Satan has to get us to believe that his 'son' is God - to get the proper type of worship he craves!

God only allows this because Satan and his followers are to 'thresh' God's wheat harvest, by means of the Tribulation. As Daniel said, it is to 'purge, refine and make white'. Read Revelation 7:9-17 & 20:4-6.

Further, it is the Israelites (men, women and children) who were promised, conditional upon their obedience to His Voice and to His Covenant, He would make them a holy nation of priests. (Exodus 19:5 & 6.) This was the reason and purpose behind God's sacrifice of His Son - to make them [the Israelites] a kingdom of holy priests. (Revelation 5:9-10)

As Yeshua said, 'I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the House of Israel'. Anyone can choose to become an Israelite - by 'cleaving to the LORD and keeping His Covenant'.

"Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants - everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and holds fast My Covenant". (Isaiah 56:6)

This 'new' Covenant is made specifically with the House of Judah and the House of Israel! Hebrews Chapter 8, which God will unite as one. (John 11:51-52, among others.)

You choose who you follow! Your choice makes you either sheep or goat and wheat or tare (weed).

The only reason all of this is coming out now, is because we are in end times / the latter days, and we are the only generation that has the opportunity NOT to worship the Beast/Antichrist who will be present [alive], or his Image or receive his mark.

The choice is yours, and yours alone!

P.S. God already knows who you chose, but that's only because He can see the end result as He is not limited by time as we are. Nil predestination, folks.




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