DOJ Says Public Has No Right To Know About The Secret Laws The Feds Use To Spy On Us

Originally posted by Battleline

Originally posted by TopsyTurvyOne
the question nobody is asking is why are they making their tyranny so blatant?

this is not how covert scheming progresses.

this is either going to be very good or very bad.

Look at how much easier it is to buy the people and make them part of it as opposed to sneaking around. One has to wonder if what we are being allowed to see is only the surface.

wonder no more. this is all completely superficial and is working toward
a specific end. 9/11 and 7/7 were exposed for the fake events they
were at the week-end, but nobody it seems was paying attention.

to bring in the new, the old has to be exposed and destroyed.

onward to real freedom. and only as it always should have been.

reply to post by TopsyTurvyOne


Only a moron sees this as freedom.

The only thing that i find incredulous about this whole subject, is that other people who get angry and shocked when they discover that a government department is spying on them.

What the hell do they think these people are doing with all this high tech stuff? sitting in a small room watching television in the hope that the will see something interesting?

Course they gonna be poking their snouts in all sorts of pie's no matter were or who.....

The worst thing about it is that many people STILL don't understand how serious this situation is. We are far beyond being able to do anything about this. Ever. These people will rule over us for as long as they feel like it. The only hope we have is that they will get bored with it or just get too lazy to maintain the system.

And the thing is, they know this. They know we are completely screwed. We have no choice. The legal system belongs to them, 100%. They built it. They wrote the laws. They reinterpreted the Constitution to mean what they wanted it to mean. They (effectively) scribbled out the parts they didn't like.

They used the most effective propaganda tool that has ever existed in the history of mankind (television) to turn the brains of at least 80% of Americans into sponges for the lies and garbage they intended to saturate them with. They used the education system to prepare generations of impressionable children to grow up into mindless drones. These people are completely beyond any kind of change. Orthodoxy is their only reality.

Understand this. The vast majority of people in this country actually believe WE are the bad guys. This is not a perception we will be able to change by simply being right.

Although this is a issue that is close to many people's hearts, I have to say this is partly the fault of the citizen.
You see, you people blindly vote for these people and put them in a position where they can create, cause and generally betray you. You then seek to complain and moan but in actual fact DO NOTHING!
I do not know what it will take for you as a population to put a stop to your elected.

All you do is make your 2nd amendment seem wasted and pointless. You want something to change.....you must deal with it yourselves, moaning and whining will not accomplish that.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Here is the problem for me: I don't fear losing everything if it means a chance for change. BUt to lose everything only to forever be known as "that fruitcake" is just not something I am willing to do.

And even talking about it....right back tot he OP. Our conversation surely is being stored away somewhere in an NSA database, tagged with keywords like "revolution", "dissident", or "unpatriotic".

If people don't know what the problem is then there is no hope of a better solution. We all have some ideas but we are not on the same page. Thats how the ptb win, first by controlling the information outflow via msm and second by controlling the campaign process.

Then everyone blames bad politicians. Not enough people dig into masonry, into the royal families, into ufology and cryptozoology, into alternative history, into alternative economics, or anything for that matter. Fox and Msnbc say "obama is a gay muslim" therefore everyone believes "obama is a gay muslim". I am not sure we have the time to do anything meaningful anyway.

Then we are all shocked, confused, hopeless and full of vitriol. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat!

People wonder why there is Anonymous out there. The government see's them as cyber terrorists it depends on how you look at it. They could also be labeled as a cyber protest. You have to have the muscle to backup your protest or faction. The government does, they have police and national guardsmen armored vehicles etc. When the people arm themselves and create militia's to keep the government powers in check, we're suddenly now labeled as extremists and terrorists. Peaceful protesting only goes so far and you have to be ready to back it up with force if necessary. I remember a couple days ago I was watching a guy on Youtube was talking about how we need to protect our freedom peacefully of course. Talk about an oxymoron statement! If you have to protest to keep your freedom, then your freedom has already been compromised.

F********************K THE DOJ!!!!

Sorry Mods had too delete if you must, the message is clear

Originally posted by dreamingawake

How about you?

I plan to sit back and watch the masses lose what's left of their rights and learn the true reality of enslavement.

It's the [sad] destiny of this country.

The pathetic thing is that violent revolution should be the last choice and some people want to force the issue when everyone could simply vote for better candidates or better parties. Just becaues the media says you should choose between romney and obama, when you could also choose gary johnson or jill stein or virgil goode or anyone else, does not meant you choose choose either obama and romney.

We need to learn the meaning of voting and using the #ing ballot properly. Taking your reading glasses if you cant read.

And just to be really smart ass lets just say people deserve the government they have. I am sick and tired of the whinning especially because these same people are the same ones to mock you for your alternative beliefs in everything.

I'm starting to get tired of people moaning about this kind of stuff, not because I don't agree with the complaints because of course I do, but because I'm sick and tired of nothing ever being done or accomplished other then posting about it on the internet.


This is one of the ONLY countries in the WORLD where the citizens just won't, can't and refuse to stand up for themselves and their rights. Some of the issue is because of fear, and the rest of the problem is probably fluoride, which takes the fight out of humans by encapsulating the pineal gland.


One day things will come crashing down, but they still have to get a lot worse in order for Americans to start caring. The problem is that people just don't care ENOUGH to make serious changes. Why is this? Because there are way to many distractions such as money, bills, reality TV and online porn to occupy people other then taking to the streets and protest.


Maybe if we all bitch and whine a little harder and longer our fairy godmother will come and fix everything,

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Voting doesn't work. That's been proven decade after decade.

Next time put a checkmark on anything other than D and R!

The system ALLOWS CHANGE. Use it or lose it!

Refusing to vote or voting for the lesser of two evils is retarded!

Even the mainstream parties run candidates that have legitimate platforms in the primaries, but these candidates never seem to make it to the final stage.

reply to post by dreamingawake


Isn't that kinda like saying you don't have the right to know the speed limit of the roads on which you're traveling?



"Ignorance of the law is no excuse!" screams the judge. "And you don't have the right to know the law!"

Man, this country is seriously screwed up, even more than I thought.

Originally posted by suz62
reply to post by TopsyTurvyOne

 

Only a moron sees this as freedom.

how can you know and appreciate real freedom (when it comes) unless you know
exactly how much you are and always have been enslaved?


only then will you beable to say never again, and mean it.

i believe we are being shown just how much we have been enslaved.

yours sincerely,

d. moron.

Being from Toronto, speaking as a Canadian citizen born and raised ,I have only one comment, As Americans how does it feel when your Government turns and says to its own people "Okay now you know we have an internal intelligence network that gathers info on its own citizens to be used as a possible cause for investigation and possible charges,maby arrest and detainment"You got them right?the government breaking their own constitution ,freedom and liberty being taken away.
Well what if the US government says," So What? We spy, its for national security , go fu***k yourself we the government make the laws, and we the government will interpret them and enforce them"
Been living in that environment all my life folks our gun laws are laughable, the right to pursue a higher quality of life financially, is frowned upon,and heavily taxed if your not part of the upper echelons of careers ,bankers, doctors,
lawyers,your are born into servitude without even knowing or questioning ,but I do applaud the younger generation they see the illusion,and are not buying the product.

reply to post by dreamingawake


This reminds me of mangers in the company I work for. Man, they are come pieces of work. They don`t fully inform the workers of the policies they expect the workers to follow and still come down hard on anyone who does not strictly follow policies which few are even aware of. They play games and refuse to give anyone even an inch. Although, I work in Japan so different country but same B.S.

I offer the above example to point out what the first world is coming to on so many levels in our modern times. A lot of people in the first world are getting tired of the capitalist control grid. Yet, this go round TPTB have learned from the past and are putting have circled the wagons while putting the screws to all of us harder than ever. It is not just governments who are flat out telling people that they will do what they want, in secret, and the rest of us will just have to bend over; it is happening at all levels of the capitalist control grid.

And to think I laughed at the crazy guy in the tin foil hat living in a cabin in the woods, Where is my tinfoil at? Now off to Montana backwoods! To see if that crazy fella needs a roommate.

So the Department of JUSTICE say's the public has no right to know about secret spying laws being used on us.

I have no problem with that, what I have a problem with is how can they say this, and then call themselves the Department of JUSTICE ?

Justice must have a new meaning from when I went to school ?

As others have intimated in this thread, For a long time I was a staunch advocate of "Peaceful Protest" BUT! common sense has and experience has taught me that Peaceful protest has long since been depleted of it's usefulness, as in the face of it TPTB just simply close the windows, draw the curtains, and carry on with heir devious plans regardless.
The time has come now for the people to rise up and get Pro Active, as i feel now that this is the only way the People can reclaim any semblance of the freedoms we once had.

And yes i do mean making full use of the second amendment, to arm yourselves with a view to getting as forceful as necessary with these self serving lowlife # for brains scumbag tossers
apologies to the readers for the language, (mods please delete if necessary) but for me this subject is intensely emotive, we are at the moment teetering on the precipice of certain doom, and these sly greedy Gits are holding a blade to the rope bridge

a concerted effort must be made to organize like minded people, to take the fight right up to to their smug faces, they are already Scared to death of us, thats why are they so intent on forcing legislations to hamper and Gag us so furiously, they know only too well that there are people are waking up to their putrid little agenda's and games, and the numbers are growing all the time, it must be terrifying for therm to be so aware that their once privileged positions are now becoming threatened, and IMO one of the reasons they are now openly engaging in their schemes, they are overly confident that not only are we are too dumb to notice, but at the same time they are worried enough to need to accelerate their agenda.

And for all you on this thread who think it's folly to even try to fight the system, think on this
This little lady here, I don't know her name,



she is a mother, grandmother, sister, aunty, and cousin to all of us,
she is the lady who gave us sweets when we were young.
The Lady who comforted you when lost at the mall/shopping center
the lady who allowed us to use her phone when the car broke down
The lady who watched out for your home when you were away
The lady who will be forced from her home because of greed
The lady who will die of hypothermia because of Avarice
The lady who will die poor because of unfeeling and stupid political posturing that serve no other purpose but to bolster the ego's of the ruling elite

THAT is why we must all stand and fight, to the last man if needed, because until she is free and millions like her, none of us will be, she is as much a part of us as we are a part of this earth.