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Originally posted by Sparky63
"Chose" should be in the past tense. They are no longer a "chosen" nation. Fleshly Israel was rejected and a new nation, "Spiritual" Israel, replaced it. Those who make us "Spiritual" Israel come from all nations of the earth.
The fleshly nation of Israel has no temple, no Aaronic priesthood and no King from the line of David. It exists merely as a secular nation with no special significance in the outworking of God's purpose.
Those who keep looking to Israel are misguided.
Originally posted by Sparky63
"Chose" should be in the past tense. They are no longer a "chosen" nation. Fleshly Israel was rejected and a new nation, "Spiritual" Israel, replaced it. Those who make us "Spiritual" Israel come from all nations of the earth.
The fleshly nation of Israel has no temple, no Aaronic priesthood and no King from the line of David. It exists merely as a secular nation with no special significance in the outworking of God's purpose.
Those who keep looking to Israel are misguided.
Originally posted by superluminal11
ISis + RA = ELohim
Mother + Father = plural or gods children.
Just glad it truly is above all titles labels and definitions.edit on 2-7-2013 by superluminal11 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Sparky63
"Chose" should be in the past tense. They are no longer a "chosen" nation. Fleshly Israel was rejected and a new nation, "Spiritual" Israel, replaced it. Those who make us "Spiritual" Israel come from all nations of the earth.
The fleshly nation of Israel has no temple, no Aaronic priesthood and no King from the line of David. It exists merely as a secular nation with no special significance in the outworking of God's purpose.
Those who keep looking to Israel are misguided.
So should we regard Romans 11 as heresy?
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by Sparky63
"Chose" should be in the past tense. They are no longer a "chosen" nation. Fleshly Israel was rejected and a new nation, "Spiritual" Israel, replaced it. Those who make us "Spiritual" Israel come from all nations of the earth.
The fleshly nation of Israel has no temple, no Aaronic priesthood and no King from the line of David. It exists merely as a secular nation with no special significance in the outworking of God's purpose.
Those who keep looking to Israel are misguided.
Spiritual Israel did not put an end to the yet to be developed history, as laid down by the prophets, of the destiny of the actual tribes of Israel.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Sparky63
They would be the original branches. That will be again grafted back into the tree. What do you think the purpose of the tribulation is? Give you an OT hint.. "in their affliction they will seek me in earnest."
And this is your evidence? Last time I checked there were still males and females.
Originally posted by rabidjackrussell
Q. Why do Christians believe in a God that has "chosen" the Jews?
A. Keep digging, your statement is misleading!
Galatians 3:28 There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Zionists would disagree with you.
Originally posted by Sparky63
"Chose" should be in the past tense. They are no longer a "chosen" nation. Fleshly Israel was rejected and a new nation, "Spiritual" Israel, replaced it. Those who make us "Spiritual" Israel come from all nations of the earth.
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by Sparky63
"Chose" should be in the past tense. They are no longer a "chosen" nation. Fleshly Israel was rejected and a new nation, "Spiritual" Israel, replaced it. Those who make us "Spiritual" Israel come from all nations of the earth.
The fleshly nation of Israel has no temple, no Aaronic priesthood and no King from the line of David. It exists merely as a secular nation with no special significance in the outworking of God's purpose.
Those who keep looking to Israel are misguided.
Spiritual Israel did not put an end to the yet to be developed history, as laid down by the prophets, of the destiny of the actual tribes of Israel.
The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE along with the destruction of the temple, fulfilled the prophesy and sealed their rejection as a fleshly nation. Acceptance into the "Israel of God" no longer depends on nationality, circumcision, or being a descendant of Abraham. Those still clinging to the modern secular nation of Israel are failing to comprehend the meaning of "Spiritual Israel".
Christians who were selected by holy spirit thus belong to a spiritual nation, their membership not being determined by birth or geographic location. The apostle Paul described the matter this way: “Neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation is something. And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God.”—Galatians 6:15, 16.
Originally posted by kryton
I've always wondered the same.
If their god does give favor to jews over Christians, then why be a christian and not convert and become "better" in god's eyes?
Without the bible quoting head games, I think it's obvious to most observers that at least jews think that god favor's them over Christians.
So why would you join the second best group worshiping this god?
Originally posted by Drezden
Originally posted by kryton
I've always wondered the same.
If their god does give favor to jews over Christians, then why be a christian and not convert and become "better" in god's eyes?
Without the bible quoting head games, I think it's obvious to most observers that at least jews think that god favor's them over Christians.
So why would you join the second best group worshiping this god?
What all you people are failing to realize is that Christians believe that Jews are going to hell. According to the New Testament those that do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah will not get into heaven.
So sure the Jews are the chosen people of the bible.. chosen to go to hell. If you believe any of that anyway.
I remember this clearly because when I went to the holocaust museum as a child I later asked my sunday school teacher if because all of those people killed during the holocaust were jewish did that mean that they went to hell? She said yes.. and that was the beginning of the end of my faith in organized religion.edit on 7/4/2013 by Drezden because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NoSoul
No they say Jews will eventually come around and admit Jesus was the messiah all along. They also think the world is ending. None of it is based on reality. In a way christianity is mental illness "the world is ending, my messiah is coming to save me" delusions "people who don't believe are demons" selfishness "I'm going to heaven, others are going to burn in hell". It's absolute pure craziness. I think even if I made it to heaven (which isn't real) I wouldn't enjoy watching loved ones or friends burning in hell because a crazy religion from 2000 years ago with many holes in it didn't fit with their belief systems.edit on 4-7-2013 by NoSoul because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by NoSoul
No they say Jews will eventually come around and admit Jesus was the messiah all along. They also think the world is ending. None of it is based on reality. In a way christianity is mental illness "the world is ending, my messiah is coming to save me" delusions "people who don't believe are demons" selfishness "I'm going to heaven, others are going to burn in hell". It's absolute pure craziness. I think even if I made it to heaven (which isn't real) I wouldn't enjoy watching loved ones or friends burning in hell because a crazy religion from 2000 years ago with many holes in it didn't fit with their belief systems.edit on 4-7-2013 by NoSoul because: (no reason given)
You are generalizing a lot. I am a Christian and I don't believe any of the things you said. I do not believe that the Jews as a whole will ever accept Jesus. Nor do I believe that I am going to heaven or that bad people will burn in hell.