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Originally posted by Logarock
Spiritual Israel is separate from the physical.
Originally posted by Q33323
reply to post by Deetermined
I accept you for where you are on your path. I'm sure a few others who are "in the know" think I'm a metaphysical novice. I am. After two years of study, I've finally developed the courage to vocalize what I know. Not believe... Know.
You are generalizing a lot. I am a Christian and I don't believe any of the things you said. I do not believe that the Jews as a whole will ever accept Jesus. Nor do I believe that I am going to heaven or that bad people will burn in hell.
I did read the Bible extensively. But you are correct in that I do not understand the wishful-washy interpretation of it. But to accommodate your sentiments, I am willing make my title more specific: Why do Christians believe in a God that has "chosen" the Jews to fulfill the prophecy set forth by God (rather than themselves)?
Originally posted by SimonPeter
You really need to read the bible to understand it . Chosen is subjective ! Many people are chosen but does that mean they are all special . You could have been chosen to clean out the stables . Judas was chosen by Christ himself to betray him and the spirit of Satan entered Judas . How did that turn out for Judas ? The Jews are chosen to do the work of God no matter what it is . The Jews were chosen to fulfill the prophecy set forth by God .
[I am sorry this happened.] (My grandfather left Europe in time. But my great-grandparents names I found in the 'Gedenkbuch'.) This adds another aspect to my question: Christians tried to kill all of God's chosen people. As if Christians tried to kill our own God's incarnation. Why did they do that?
Originally posted by Drezden
I remember this clearly because when I went to the holocaust museum as a child I later asked my sunday school teacher if because all of those people killed during the holocaust were jewish did that mean that they went to hell? She said yes.. and that was the beginning of the end of my faith in organized religion.
Oh wow that's a terrible punishment, paying 50 shekels of silver. Also that's only if they get discovered
Wait, Jews were chosen to be made an "example out of, even through captivity and punishment". Then why are they complaining? Should this not make them happy?
Originally posted by Deetermined
Being "chosen" also included them being the ones he would make an example out of, even through captivity and punishment, for the whole world to witness.
Well said. I equate it with hypnosis because at the young age, we don't have the brain "contents" yet that anything needs to be "washed". I was lucky not to be subjected to Sunday School, not many people are able to break free of that.
Originally posted by MOMof3
all organized religion after 55 years of what I equate with brainwashing. They start you very young in "Sunday School". I still read the Bible, but from a historical perspective with candid stories of human and civilizations follies.
Originally posted by SimonPeter
Your extensive reading of the bible as you call it was as a critic rather than for inspiration . You have found what you are looking for but are unaware that it is petty in nature .
If you had read the bible seeking understanding of what God was saying you would have ran across the fact that God having as a courtesy offered the Gospel to the Jews first but in effect did an end around the Jews to Make a People Out of No People . He knew that the clannish Jews would not have shared the Gospel with the Gentile . The Babylonian Talmud had infiltrated the Jewish Temple and contempt for the Gentile would not have allowed sharing Gods word with non Jews . The Talmud was not an inspired by God and was likely the inspiration for the Protocols of Zion which was heavily denied by the Talmudic Jews . But proven to be true by American Military Intelligence in 1919 .
Your assessment toward Jesus is driven by your agenda to destroy the Christian faith as was your method of biblical research along with support materials you relied on .
You are defiantly not one to criticize. Your OP really showed your misunderstanding of what God was doing . I can assume that you also do not believe that the NWO is real and about to accomplish it's goal of world domination which usually seems to accompany individuals with your not so unique mind set . (my high-lights)
People who claim to know "what God was doing" and why really have no more of a clue about God than anybody else. (Nobody has seen God) But they get upset when somebody reads the Bible, who actually pays attention, asks questions, and prevents them from spreading their false association with the 'Almighty'.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
God chose the Jews to be where the Christ would be born and bring salvation from. That's about it. The Jews have been mistreated and driven out and mass murdered. If that's what it means to be 'gods chosen' ... then I feel bad for them. Love hurts.
You believe in Judeo-Christian scriptures, that's fine. I will not try to talk you out of it (in part because I know that I can't). By the same token, you cannot insist, that your reality, your belief is proven to be true. Because it's not. And other beliefs are not the result of lack of understanding.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
You can know what God was doing. That's what the scripture is for. He's telling you what he was doing and why, but most people cannot see the spiritual meaning hiding behind the words.
Originally posted by ThinkingHuman
Your link is answering the wrong question. I do not want to know why God chose the Jews. That’s fine. Since I am not a Jew, why would I choose that "God" rather than some other deity?
Originally posted by Deetermined
If you're a new Christian, I highly recommend this website (www.gotquestions.org) for asking questions and looking up topics for ANY question that you might come up with...
"Why did God choose Israel to be His chosen people?"
You link does give an interesting quote, though. “God’s desire for Israel was that they would go and teach others about Him. Israel was to be a nation of priests, prophets, and missionaries to the world.” I have heard this before, do you know where it is from?
Because there is only 1 God to worship.