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Oh, she seriously isn't, but don't take it personally.

It wasn't intended to spook you.

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Well I am certainly not taking it personally, but perhaps pointing out something they might of missed. Context can at times be lost in text, perhaps this is the case. Thanks for speaking on their behalf

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This thread is just for the 'Brothers', enjoy it, i'm not looking to derail it just saying what i needed to say, and won't be saying anything further.

That is the wrong attitude, and it leads to the left-hand path. The superior attitude is, "what could I possibly do, to help my brothers evolve? How could I possibly play my small part in raising the consciousness vibrations of my dear Earthly brethren?"

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Originally posted by The 5th
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Well I am certainly not taking it personally, but perhaps pointing out something they might of missed. Context can at times be lost in text, perhaps this is the case. Thanks for speaking on their behalf

edit on 8-6-2013 by The 5th because: (no reason given)

Far be it from me to speak on anyone's behalf.

Honestly, I'm pleasantly surprised anyone deigned to answer.

But, since using your reply as proxy for replying to someone else is rather rude:

The use of "brotherhood" over "fellowship" does leave 51% of the population in the cold, but appeals greatly to 70% of the readerbase.

So, even if the OP was authored by a woman, she is only catering to her audience.

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Again, it is the used in the term for a collective working. If nit picking for the lateral interpretation, then I guess, but really it is not. Golden Dawn have used this word, and it covers members both female and male. I guess it is up to interpretation, and is used by you to reject it. That's up to you, but I think you are taking it out of context.

Initiate wrote:
"I leave it up to the discerning reader, to speculate why so many Conspiracy Theory gurus place so much importance on these bloodlines. My current guess is: to uphold the fiction that it's a 'them vs us' dialectic (which it isn't!)" - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
What is it then? I assume such "Conspiracy Theory gurus" "uphold the fiction", largely as unconscious agents? What purpose does maintaining this fiction serve for their "handlers"?


Initiate wrote:
"They have their plans for the world, but their plans can materialize only as potently as you (the citizen) will allow. Even the lowliest of low CTs should be able to recognize the basic logic in this. They too, are bound by natural, divine law (that includes Karma, and many other laws, which I might discuss in a subsequent post -- especially if it's requested of me)." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
What is a CT? If you have not already done so by this time, please discuss Karma and "many other laws" :-)


Initiate wrote:
"The higher beings who wield greater power, 'allow' these power-hungry beings to exercise their power over humanity. Please never forget this: their power is 'allowed,' not wrested from another source. It is allowed, because we (citizens) have allowed it. Not even the highest LOGOS would dare violate free will." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
The phrase "dare [to] violate free will" indicates that free will CAN be violated, can it? If so, is there then a penalty , is there a means of recompense? Or is "free will" inherent in the fabric of the Universe and those "beings" that possess it and as such CANNOT BE violated? Are there 'beings' (you'll have to define 'being' :-) that do NOT have free will?


Initiate wrote:
"7 physical- (3 dense physical and 4 subtle physical [etheric, metaetheric, subatomic and atomic]), 7 emotional- (4 lower, repulsive emotional, 3 higher, attractive) and 7 mental- (4 lower, concrete, and 3 higher, abstract) dimensions." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
You have named some of the dimensions (4 subtle physical) giving me a way to better "grasp" and "hold on" them until such time as I can properly evaluate the date, could you please assign the other dimensions you mention with names indicating their primary characteristics/qualities? Primarily I am interested in what labels/emotions you would use to describe the 4 lower "repulsive" (that we humans are so addicted to), and 3 higher "attractive" emotional dimensions.


Initiate wrote:
"[...] they [true BMs] are victims of their own self-deception: the falsehood that the final outcome of a BM is anything other than complete, utter, perfect despair and a setback in their evolution by no less than 30 eons [which totals to about 130 billion years. Yes, you have read that correctly: 130 billion [130 thousand million] years])" - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Questions:
They are not utterly destroyed and recycled but simply "set back" by "30 eon"? How is the figure of 30 eons (130 thousand million years) arrived at, what is the significance of that time period? 30 eons from the time they become a (true) BM or 30 eons from when exactly? Is there any relationship between BMs and/or CBMs and blackholes, and if so what is that relationship?


Initiate wrote:
"Remember again the word: ILLUSION, and never forget to always use it in combination with the words ASTRAL/EMOTIONAL. I might expound on this later, when other questions have been answered first." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
Please expound! Why should "illusion" always be used in combination with "astral/emotional", is there not a "higher" (more subtle) correspondent of (physical) illusion on each and every "higher" dimension such as the mental just as there is on the emotional?


Initiate wrote:
"[I will explain in a later post what a 'soul' actually is. Most people do not have a clue as to what it is, but I will explain it in great detail later. Please remind me, ATS, later on]" - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
Please consider yourself so reminded :-)

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Initiate wrote:
"You might be very interested and fascinated to learn, that science and spirituality are not in the slightest incompatible with each other. It is a fiction and illusion (another tool in the vast tool kit of your 'masters,' let's just say) to create doubt in your minds, by making you think that the pathway to spirituality leads to a destiny not all that different from conventional religion, which leads us back into the dark ages." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
To what destiny does the "pathway of spirituality" ACTUALLY lead? How, specifically, does it differ from that of conventional religion?


Initiate wrote:
"In conventional history (mostly fairy tales and wives tales/gossip; don't believe me? Study the historiographic method, and learn how UNscientific conventional historical practices are. I have written several history papers myself at University, whilst an undergrad. I know the erroneous and primitive methods used by historians to establish the so-called muse of 'history' in your fairy tales of 'learning.')[...]" - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
To which "erroneous and primitive historiographic methods" are you specifically referring?


Initiate wrote:
"'A' has just been watching some horror film (not so dissimilar to watching the 6 O'Clock news, yes?). Whether you notice it or not, the pictures conjured in your mind (whether you're desensitized or not, in fact, desensitization is far more a red flag, than being crippled by it emotionally) will be of a repulsive quality. You cannot avoid this, even if you try. Seeing a woman be stabbed to death or some ugly monster being bludgeoned (or whatever) will be stimulating the lower aspects of your personality (the ego), and these stimulants will cause your auric field to emanate in its surrounding environment, so that it not only contaminates itself, but contaminates those souls most susceptible to it, in its immediate vicinity." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
Are you saying that IF one wants to do his best to be of service, to "further evolution" - for wont of a better phrase offhand - that one should never watch (or think) about a horror movie, the news (or anything) that is distasteful/distressful or that may so much as simply involve a negative emotion because it may "contaminate" one or the other of my (or another's) "envelopes"?


Initiate wrote:
"[...] continue to prevent you from 'waking' up and yelling "I have had enough. I will now be a master of my own destiny and no longer allow some old, manipulative fear monger to dictate my life for me and the lives of my children! I refuse to pay taxes to a corrupt and useless political edifice built on a vague and unattainable dream of 'democracy!' I refuse to be another wage slave, another mouth to feed, another cog in the wheel! I refuse to continue participating actively, willingly, sheepishly in my own demise, digging my grave and ruining my future incarnations and the incarnations of my offspring!"" - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
So, say one is in the process of "waking up" to this reality (or thinks they are anyway), what should they do exactly? "Tune in and drop out" like the flower children tried in the 60's, or is there something we can actually DO - is there a Galt's Gulch (ala Ayn Rand) they can find if they look hard enough, or what? If a Galt's Gulch-type sanctuary does exist, where in blue blazes is it? :-)


Initiate wrote:
"when you're back on Earth (after refusing to effectively protest your march into enslavement), you might not get a chance to resist like you still have now. By then, your chains will lay bare upon your wrists, shackled to a wall, and you'll have far less options available to you than now. No, this is not fear-mongering. I am warning you of the inevitability of causality." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
So, how can one EFFECTIVELY protest his march into (further) enslavement?

Initiate wrote:
"While my brothers and myself are committed to doing all we can in preventing this, we are not permitted by divine law to destroy their souls (even though we could)." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
How does that work? How is a soul destroyed? What does that mean exactly?

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Alright. Any further disruption and people's posting privileges are going to be removed.

Hi Initiate!
Thank You very much for your words of wisdom!
I would like to add a few questions too.
1. Is there anything special about Russia's group soul awareness, if there is one? What role did socialism and communism play in it in the sense that it can be viewed versus the private ownership of capitalism?
2. There is a well-known site (among ATS' members, at least) - armageddonconspiracy.co.uk, the authors of which claim that they are the followers of that old gnostic teaching that has existed since the dawn of the creation. Their info seems pretty credible.
They call themselves illuminatis. My question is - are they those ILLs you have spoken about ealier, or when you mention ILLs you mean the masonic lodges and TPTB and not all those catar's secret societies, Knights Templar and many others who are (were) against the Roman Catholic Church? Illuminism versus Abrahamism, Adolf Hitler v Stalin, Aryan race v the Jewish race - does it make any sense to you and how can you comment on those oppositions.
3. Is (was) the gnostic teaching true in a sense that it was on the side of Lucifer who brings light to people in the name of ONE TRUE GOD? Was Sataniel (Satane'l) the one who created this world and does he belong to the BMs?
4. Spear of Destiny, Holy Grail, Ark of the covenant. What is the meaning of their existance?
5. When I was young I acidentally got myself drowned in a river while swimming there with my friends. It seems that I experienced the clinical death - I was flying high in the sky and from above I saw my body in the water. The movie of all my life till that moment was being played by someone for me. Then it stopped and I got back inside my body and somehow I managed to get out of the water. Though I can't understand how I could do that while being in the river for long time without oxygen. What was (is) the purpose of my returning back to the material world?

Thank you, Initiate!
I wish you good health after all that typing you have done and will do later in order to share your knowledge with us.

Dear Initiate,

If for nothing else, your words tell a fascinating story.

I do have a question for you; however, I'd like to you elaborate on some phenomenon that another ATS member has been troubled by. I figure, a reasonable explanation is better than none and perhaps this member can learn from some wisdom and move past it.

It all begins with a member posting a question about the tingling sensation he sometimes feels in his forehead in proximity to some objects. The excerpt that I'd wish you to answer is from a responding member.

I know you're reply is likely to the OP. To respond about my situation I've been told before that my 3rd eye was just opening when I was 20. I didn't have any sensation in the forehead until that night I saw the ball of light in my room. A lot of strange things happened along with that incident though. Once after that, maybe a few weeks later, I woke up and was literally on the ceiling in my room. Meaning my nose was touching the ceiling and I couldn't feel my back on the bed. Other strange things happened. I could leave the front door of my house open and my dogs wouldn't run out. Normally they'd be down the street in a half second. This was 10 years ago so I'm sure there's more I just don't remember. I do recall there was a lot of other strange animal behavior in my dogs. I have no way of knowing if they could hear the buzzing going on in the house or not. But they began acting skittish and would sometimes just start trembling. I rarely hear the buzzing now, but when I do hear it it's very clear. I've talked to a few other people who've told me that they hear it too sometimes... I know they're hearing the same thing by the way they describe it. It's unlike any other buzzing sound I've heard before. The pressure in my forehead is ever-present. I often feel a strong tingling sensation in my hands along with it. Rarely now... maybe once a year I feel like a massive weight has been set on top of me while I'm laying down. Like something heavy is laying on top of me, covering my entire body. It lifts after about 30 seconds. I haven't a clue what any of this is about. If it's just the 3rd eye chakra I think my 3rd eye chakra is on steroids.

I was searching this thread because I also feel the tingling/buzzing. For me, it only occurs near something vibrating at a high frequency or when I am with someone I love and our heads are close. I never feel it with other persons, objects, etc. Is this merely a psychological phenomenon where I, "Think," that I should feel something?

I first noticed this at a very young age. While trying to fall asleep one night, I could, "Feel," something near me, then above me, and I noticed a little light through my eyelids. When I opened my eyes, I could see a hand, extending a forefinger that just rested on that spot on my head. The hand was glowing in white, and although startled, I was not scared. I figure that this was a dream, yes?

Thank you for your time.

Initiate wrote:
"[...] when mankind has fulfilled its personal duties and responsibilities toward life. [...] Discovering your personal capacities and duties in this life, is part of growing more mature as a soul. Solving your own problems is a sign of greater wisdom, than looking toward others for guidance." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
What are mankind's personal duties and responsibilities toward life and how do we fulfill them? (not that I'm looking to you for "guidance" you understand and no need to look for any signs of "greater wisdom" in me :-)

Initiate wrote:
"I have decided to post the answers as I complete them, due to there being some formatting issues when copying and pasting from the word processor back to ATS [...]" - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
I assume you have since solved this problem but in case not: I also use copy/paste and have found that the text entry window does not rexognize my pasted text unless AFTER pasting I must go back up to the very top of my text entry and enter a few characters and hit enter/return. The editing window then responds to what I have pasted, cuts off at the maximum allowed characters and I can go back, see where it cut off, and clean up.


Initiate wrote:
"A world is its own kind of dimension. Thus, the cosmos, which consists of 91 dimensions (49 Solar Systemic, 42 cosmic, which together constitute a 49 + 42 + 1 = 92 dimensional ball [or globe] in differentiated, primordial matter -- I shall elaborate on this later, don't worry!) simultaneously consists of 91 worlds!" - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
I get the 7 x 7 = 49 Solar Systemic dimensions (I think), could you explain the other 42 (7 x 6?) to come up with a total of 91 (7 x 13?)? Why not 7 x 7 = 49 Cosmic dimensions as well for a total of ?


Initiate wrote:
"Every time I make occasional off-topic (beyond the scope of the question) remarks, please know that I am only doing this to plant seeds within you, to stimulate your consciousness activity and arouse your own independent thinking and seeking!" - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
Does that mean when you mention something to the effect that "you will elaborate on xyz if someone asks further questions or reminds you" that you WILL eventually get back to each and every one of those without me (or someone) having to explicitly ask you to? If so, I could quit littering the thread with my long question posts and would save me some carpal tunnel at the same time :-) And if not, onward I go. My intention is not to "joggle your elbow", so if I am having that effect please advise.

Initiate wrote:
"[...] the higher dimensions contain all lower dimensions. Please do not try to begin to imagine this in your physical brain. You will fail each and every time. Not even the world's greatest mental genius could hope to construct a pictorial representation within their densely downscaled brain cells." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
How accurate/useful is this description of the phenomena? I'd copy/paste it here but it's a little long: freeread.com... How would you alter it in order to better reflect reality?


Initiate wrote:
"If you have been sitting on your chair (or otherwise) consuming pornography/violence/hatred/envy/gossip/suspicion/fear/etc half your life, then you shall be aware of those very low levels, that harbor such repulsions, in the emotional world." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
I notice you did not say "then you shall ONLY be aware of those very low levels", was that omission relevant? I would assume a more evolved soul COULD "consume" (partake of, be exposed to) same without being "corrupted" (only aware of those low levels), is this so?


Initiate wrote:
"There is also no such thing as a dichotomy between matter and spirit. They are one and the same. (This would lead to a very long discussion, which I shall not embark on now, out of respect to the user's question).
[...]
When the primitive instruments of science attempt to investigate the atom and marvel at all the 'nothingness' therein, they do not suspect that it's actually filled with matter! To you, the reader, I could call this 'spirit' matter.

But this is a vague terminology, and if the more scientifically inclined soul wishes for greater precision, I shall gladly provide it." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Question:
Then why are they differentiated even if just in speech. Is there any significance to the (zero-ish) point where spirit and matter meet? Please do embark on the long discussion on the dichotomy and provide us with greater precision! :-)

If a pointing up triangle is evolution and pointing down triangle is devolution, what is a double tetrahedron (aka star of david or metatron's cube) represent?

Originally posted by someoneinnyc
If a pointing up triangle is evolution and pointing down triangle is devolution, what is a double tetrahedron (aka star of david or metatron's cube) represent?

In my opinion - I realize you are asking Initiate for his, so please disregard if I am imposing - I think one could logically assume it probably represents BOTH, i.e. the Whole, "all that is".

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That would make logical sense, thanks!