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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 06:04 PM
reply to post by King Loki

One of my first responses was very similar to yours and because of this and subsequent posts of his being similar, sadly I stopped following this thread and don't even know if he has answered anyones questions let alone mine asking about why he is addressing hecklers.... *sigh*

posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 07:16 PM
reply to post by Egyptia

Thank you Egyptia but that writing came from Carolyn Hamlett...Thanks to you and PrimeLight i am wanting to get to know Jesus better now and it looks like i am coming full circle from where i was yrs ago..I will never go back to religion tho..Love and Light to you both!

As far as the OP thank you thank you for this thread!Because of it i am on my way to knowing Jesus Christ...I am so tired of being tossed like ocean waves not knowing what to believe..I am confident that will all end now! Much Love and light to you to!

posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 08:04 PM
reply to post by Initiate

Hi Initiate,

I found myself reading through your posts for a second time, taking notes on everything that I could find wrong in your essays. I realized that I was beginning to reflect on myself in a way that I have not in a long time, and found that I was almost kept up at night by the ruminations; like a miniature life review, or something like that.

So, I decided that I needed to give a read through as though I wanted to read your words, and not from a place of trying to find fault with what you are saying. I am so glad that I did. I wanted to thank you for taking the time to post what you have; it is making a real difference for me.

Lots of questions have percolated up for me, and it has been a little tough to not compulsively post them all. Fact is, that I have found that either I have had my questions answered, or kind of moved along by returning to your posts and re-reading what you had said. So, really I wanted to say thank you, and apologize for being so confrontational and negative.

I thought that I might humbly put forward a question. It is about something that has always nagged at me. Even during long periods where I have had no real pressing interest in these sorts of matters, this idea has haunted me.

It is about what Don Juan Matos told Carlos Castaneda about the Predator...

"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners.

The Predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so..."

"Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal."

In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous manoeuvre, stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous manoeuvre from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind.

The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now."

-Yaqui Shaman, Don Juan Matos. As told by Carlos Castaneda. The Active Side of Infinity. 1998

I am sure that other members of our forum have read or heard of this quote before too.

Can you help me this one? I guess what I am asking is if there is any truth to this, and is there anything in that for us, in terms of knowing what we are really up against?

This morning, that statement from Castaneda's book came back to haunt me as I was doing some yard work, and I knew somehow, right away, that that would be the question that I would ask you about if I were able. It seems to me that it would go a long way to answer many of my questions, without making a detailed list, and maybe the questions of a few others.

Thanks again. I realize that my past behaviour on this thread might leave you feeling less than inclined to answer my question about Carlos and what Don Juan told him about the predator, but if you could find it in your heart, I would greatly appreciate it. If you cannot, I understand and I will be none the less grateful.

Have a good evening,

posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 09:08 PM
Hi all, hi Initiate. I just registered in order to participate in such interesting thread. I hooked on the reading at some points which i quote:

Originally posted by Initiate
If some of you are interested: I was on a very evil path in this present life (I would classify myself as having been more evil-willed than Hitler himself, just to throw in an infamous dictator). I do not make these statements lightly. I was on a very dark path, and I have chosen to sever all connections with that path.

So, How did that happened, how or why did you change your mind? If that's not too personal or compromising to you.

And, what do you -and/or your brotherhood- think about people, let's say 'inbetween' or lukewarms, who doesn't realize of that battle you and others claim to be happening?

Originally posted by Initiate
These 3 planes constitute a single world, known as the causal world. They serve as the final stepping stones required to liberate yourselves from this planetary prison. We all have some ways to go, ere we achieve this goal. If you will, you may ask me later on about the specifics of attaining this.

So, how can that be achieved? (I guess it could be something related to simultaneous time and space, all being here at the same time-now, i'm guessing it'd more than intelectually understand this?)

Originally posted by Initiate
There was a time where all animals once lived in relative peace and harmony, without gobbling each other up. Almost all of them [if not all] were once vegetarian, amongst other means of absorbing energy; so what went wrong? Ask me for another session, please)

I'd love to read more on this subject. I was just reading about 'breatharians'.. so what went wrong? Could it be done again -i mean in a mass scale, animals included -how? I hope it won't take eons. Perhaps is it the golden age pythagorians talked about (Ovidius)?

Originally posted by Initiate
HH claims the contrary: i.e. that this 'game' of his is supposedly for our greater good.
This is complete and utter rubbish, but it is not easy to explain why it is such rubbish, interestingly enough. It requires quite a bit of explanation, so please ask me, and I shall elaborate in a subsequent post.

I thought it was well elaborated, just being a trigger catalyst and so, but it felt wrong indeed, so how is that?

Originally posted by Initiate
They too, are bound by natural, divine law (that includes Karma, and many other laws, which I might discuss in a subsequent post -- especially if it's requested of me).

Ok, can you explain these laws? And why most of us are not completely consciously aware -at least- of these, can it be explained just due to mere distraction?

Originally posted by Initiate
The word "illusion" is a very important term, which should be used with care; but it provides an extremely profound insight into what is so wrong with our world. Remember again the word: ILLUSION, and never forget to always use it in combination with the words ASTRAL/EMOTIONAL. I might expound on this later, when other questions have been answered first. (Also remember something important: Never, ever, fall into the trap of assuming our material cosmos is an illusion. Even the emotional worlds are not an illusion, but the vibrations permeating within them, impressed upon intelligent minds, are just that: illusions.

Why would it be that bad-using the word illusion not in combination with astral/emotional and somehow believe it-i guess? Could it lead to psychotic traumas or something alike? I get lost when i read your writing about planes, dimensions, its associated numbers and so, I understand that it could be useful to people trying to find that out as a notation for studying the matter, but of which I'm not aware at all as far as i know, just to mention. If you mean by illusion our senses (real) interpreting (illusion) the vibrations (real) around us, i get it, otherwise i don't. This could be somehow solved by tunning more accurately our senses. But, if i understand what you wrote you claimed that the vibrations are the illusion, why is that?

Regarding the drawn unicorn, i'd say it does exists as a drawing, probably as an idea, and potencially as a lot of merchandising if you success to get it through the media or make a movie of his adventures. But, what would be your thoughts on this issue, if not covered yet?

-What do you mean by especulation cult exactly? and how is that different from hypothesis work?

-How would you say is the best way to overcome fear? (by fear i especially mean the paralysing kind.)

Thanks a lot for your time and dedication, an edifying reading, indeed. (sorry about so many questions, not so often it is given the chance of participating in such conversations.)


posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 09:35 PM

Originally posted by egoless
Soul abandonment? Please elaborate. All of those repulsive (negative) emotions he listed are fairly petty to most people and we do them a lot in and outside our heads

If you find yourself smitten by an enchanter, (fall in love too easily) believe it to be so, as it is not real and is meant to embrace you in what seems to be truth is falsety. Too good to be true; I see you all jumping on a path that is so ill defined. It amazes me that you are so desparate to engage this entity and not question its motives. I have no problem with the message, but the dominion I do. This individual is not speaking to you as a peer more a recalcitrant parent figure, explaining the facts of life to its hamsterlike children (I find the patronage belittling). So in your hints, where are you from, in one instance to chastise in this way " YOU HUMANS ARE SO ODD" in another you say "I am but just a Human and trying to help". Which is it? I see innocents thinking this is real and from a genuine source, I see you laughing at all of the profundity of ITSELF/YOURSELF generated posts by interested beings. You, smirking behind your hand.
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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 09:38 PM
reply to post by crzayfool

crazyfool, good points. I didn't think it through. Could be any of the above. The "image" I got was an explosion...could have been a different time and place.

posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 09:51 PM
reply to post by Mizzijr

Mizzijr, no, it wasn't you that I was referring to. The OPs comment regarding why there were so many sects in Christianity. He stated that that many sects were due to inconsistencies and contradictions in the bible. There was no mention of similar traits in all religions, to varying degrees. Also, omitting the various levels of enlightenment amongst that groups members, also true of any group or religion.

Your views made more sense to me on the subject. He may be completely spot on, otherwise. I don't know and, frankly, I don't care either way.

I was curious about him, the person, "look, don't listen" are three of the wisest words these ears have ever heard.

posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 10:13 PM

Originally posted by JayinAR
I would reiterate that this is all bogus.
What you have here is another poster (possibly the same poster who was behind the Hidden Hand, Joan the Blind, ET Man accounts) who has concocted a back story and is nudging the conversation along to fall in line with the premise of the pre scripted story.

The thread is precisely the same as the threads of the above mebtioned users' threads. Someone may ask, why do you care?
Very simple. We are to deny ignorance. There are impressionable minds on these boards and I am here to tell you now that those people HAVE been taken advantage of by this CULTIST when they were here in the past.

Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the OP even has satellite characters that he she will use to push the narrative along.

The more we rational people give even humorous audience to this nonsense, the more those gullible folks will buy into it.

This person is a cultist. And I rarely make outright allegations on this site, but I am doing just that right now. In my opinion this entire thread borders on criminal behavior.

Dear brother,

Even though you didn't ask any questions, and despite the fact that I stated that I am here to answer questions, I never asserted that I wouldn't occasionally respond to remarks of this nature. Please receive the following words:

With your entire post, the only thing you demonstrated, is that you are, in fact, the cultist; not me. All the statements you have made, correspond to the cult of appearances, the cult of speculation and the cult of personality. You too ought to read my essays on these important issues. Hopefully, they serve to reduce the amount of agonizing incarnations you will have to experience, ere this eon is complete. All the best, my brother.

by PlanetXisHERE

Thank you OP for at the least a very interesting thread, and if even some of what you say is true (and I have no reason to believe any of it is not), thank you for your service to mankind.

Off the top of my head, you said be careful of the occult, new agers, doom-mongers. Well, the occult and doom-mongers I can understand, but why new agers?

What civilization built the pyramids in Bosnia? How about the pyramids in Egypt? What is their purpose?

Are the Emerald Tablets of Thoth real?

Are there any modern day spiritual teachers who come close to the core of your order's teachings? How about Eckhart Tolle?

Thank you for your time.

1) Dear Brother,

Thank you for your kind, loving words. The reason I warn people of the New Age disinformation sects/groups/quasi-occultists, is because it is simply another tool being used by the Dark Brotherhood to misdirect the masses.

Allow me to briefly explain: When the BMs realized that after Blavatsky and her pupils Leadbeater, Besant and others had succeeded in distributing the knowledge of the ancient mysteries via their Theosophical Societies, the Lords of the Left Hand Path took counter-measures, in order to neutralize this disruption to their overall plans. The last thing they want, is for human beings to be led into the correct direction. That right direction, is the realization that our purpose on this planet is to develop our consciousness. This consciousness is developed through tens (yes, tens) of thousands of incarnations. On average, a good 100 thousand (hundred thousand) to 150 thousand incarnations would be required, to pass through the human kingdom, from the peasant stage, all the way up to the stage of enlightenment; although, this depends entirely on the individual. There are those who still haven't gotten very far after 200 thousand incarnations, on various planets, including our planet Terra.

An important difference between aspirants and initiates of the right-hand-path (myself) and aspirants/initiates of the left-hand-path (higher levels of the Illuminati, inner circle of the United Nations, certain members of: Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations,...,) is that we view you as fellow brothers, whom we wish to see as our equals in evolution, sooner or later. On the other hand, those of the left-hand-path, would prefer to keep themselves in a comfortable, sovereign position at the top, whilst looking 'down' upon their impotent tools (you) below. It's a type of refined, highly evolved superiority complex, where they believe they have your 'best' interests in mind.

While I do not support this philosophy of theirs, I must be frank and state that human beings, in their current state of 'being,' have not as yet 'proven' themselves worthy of much else.

Some people might condemn those words as 'harsh,' but I have observed human beings for a very long time (this forum included). If the divine law permitted, my brethren would incarnate right now and easily dispense with your masters, who've managed to keep you in shackles for the past million years or so.


posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 10:13 PM
CONTINUED post to PlanetXisHERE:

As I have iterated before, our ascended brothers refuse to incarnate into a thankless and hopelessly disoriented world.

The Illuminati in co-operation with the BMs, still governing these lower realms, have 'permission' to do as they do, because of the countless divine laws that the human race continually discards. BMs are masters at manipulating Karmic energies, which is why they delight when humans argue with-, condemn, judge, gossip with- and about-, envy,..., one another.

Some of you are thinking "if only I could evolve quicker, sooner, better,...,"

That is the wrong attitude, and it leads to the left-hand path. The superior attitude is, "what could I possibly do, to help my brothers evolve? How could I possibly play my small part in raising the consciousness vibrations of my dear Earthly brethren?"

When you adopt that attitude, you develop 'automatically.' Nature sees to it that you receive that, which you need, for your present incarnation, to fulfill those duties. Nobody is ever 'forgotten.'

Instead, most of you think about how you can entertain yourselves every waking moment you have some time off work (your slave duties) and family and friends (service-to-self duties). I am certainly not denigrating the role of family and friendship, but I am making clear that the well-being of your friends and family must extend to the human community at large, and you must raise that ideal to a standard, where you live by it every day; ere my brothers choose to incarnate and resume management of Planet Terra, as they once did in ancient Atlantis.

If that were to happen: goodbye Illuminati. Goodbye wars. Goodbye all that doom and gloom.

How much longer will you have them wait?

They are observing this very thread right now with great interest. They are assessing the level of mankind based on the consciousness expressions exhibited by the public. Why don't we use this thread to prove that we are not all repulsive apes, who have yet to evolve from the peasant stage? Members of the Dark Brotherhood would also have caught a glimpse of this thread by now. Why don't we prove to them, that we will no longer make their work easy?

The Spiritual Hierarchy of our Planet, infinitely patient as they are, continue to wait for a sign. This thread might be a tiny spark, that leads to them discussing the state of human affairs and whether or not they should re-incarnate/reappear (reappearance doesn't necessitate a re-incarnation). And while I enjoy answering your questions (because it is a joy to serve my fellow brothers), I would ask how many of you have already started to plant positive seeds in the minds of your family and friends and even strangers?

Now would be a good time to start. I didn't start this thread for mere entertainment purposes, so that you may sit back, relax and enjoy a feeling of giddiness in your stomachs. I wish to see the seeds spreading and blossoming beyond the confines of this forum. Ponder on these words, dear brothers.

Anyway, the bottom line is, (to answer your question) the New Age movement is under the control of the Dark Ones and there's very little actual knowledge in it. It mostly consists of quasi-knowledge, quasi-occultism, quasi-spirituality. The original purpose of the New Age (of Aquarius) was the renewed advent of spiritual awakening in the masses, instituted by my brother Blavatsky in 1875. Unfortunately, this awakening has largely deteriorated into an ego-contest, not to mention Capitalistic conquests, where everybody wishes to develop themselves (and they fail miserably, to be sure), without worrying about their fellow brothers.

That is no development, and those selfish souls who only care about their own ascensions into the 'light,' will be the last ones to depart this Planet of Sorrow; make no mistake. In fact, the Illuminati and BMs enjoy it when gullible souls flock like cattle into those dead-ends. It's a sigh of relief for them; let that be clear!

It's largely become another cult factory, that deals with pseudo-problems, pseudo-wisdom, pseudo-profundities. It's heavily diluted, quasi-occult mysticism, designed to lure the more informed masses into another happy and entertaining dead-end.

2)a) I have basically no knowledge of the so-called 'pyramids' in Bosnia. I am sure you know more about them than I do.

As for the pyramids in Egypt, they were built by my ancient Egyptian brothers, who were mainly initiates of the ancient mystery schools and the magical arts. You have been hopelessly deceived, if you believe aliens had anything to do with it. Erich von Daniken is an idiot. Apparently he was a good cook though. This explains why he was able to cook up a bunch of rubbish in his best-selling 'Idioticas.'


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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 10:13 PM
CONTINUED post to PlanetXisHERE II:

This is one of the reasons why I suggest people to stop wasting time with aliens: it's another dead-end. They are slightly more evolved souls, who also must incarnate, because of their repulsive basic tendencies. They don't have much to teach humanity, beside destructive technology, which explains why some of them get along just fine with the US government (and other governments). I am talking about physical aliens here.

Do not look to them for enlightenment.

2)b) The meanings of the Egyptian pyramids were twofold:

i) The Esoteric symbolism displayed by its external structure (re-read the symbolically triangular nature of our cosmos, in a previous post, dear brother), which included the astrologically significant-, mathematically precise-, naturally divine-, and astronomically balanced nature of our cosmos. You could, in effect, label it an Esoteric 'shrine,' for the world to behold. It was a positive beacon of light.

ii) Within its structures, there were Esoteric/Magical initiations of pupils/aspirants, who had demonstrated the necessary spiritual aptitude to learn and practice the Ancient Egyptian magical lore; strictly prohibited for the general public.

3) Indeed, my brother, the Emerald Tablet is real, and Esoterically very significant! What makes you think it might have been 'fake?' Is everything fake these days? The only things real, are what our authorities in the media and academia claim to be real? Let it be known that basically 99% of what is claimed to be real or fake in the public domain is both utterly false and completely useless. Ponder on that, if you will.

4) a) At present, the spiritual teachers of my order wish to remain anonymous. That being said, I would suggest you study Pythagorean Hylozoics, if you can manage to find the authentic material. Avoid anything that is advertised/up for sale. True knowledge is -- and always will be -- free!

b) Eckhart Tolle does not have any useful information to convey to anybody. He is another emotionalist, who thinks he has been sent to enlighten mankind. That being said, he does have some useful words, which would be in agreement with my order. Other than that, he is another dead-end.

And just so I don't have to bother with other names, you can include to that list: Steiner, Martinus, Swedenborg (although a wonderful scientist and engineer), Guenon, Heindel, and so on...

They are all dead-ends, and the fact that many of you sit there with your mouths and eyes wide open, dripping saliva down your chin, as you gasp at the latest Guru to offer you salvation, shows that humanity has yet a long way to go, ere it reaches the stage of Culture.

Ponder on these words, dear fellow brothers at ATS. Thank you, dear brother, for your questions. Thank you again, for your kind words.

While Session 3, technically speaking, isn't over as yet, I must now pursue other duties in my life, as they have been neglected. I shall resume Session 3 within the next 24 hours.

For orientation purposes, the following users have, I hope, had their questions/remarks satisfactorily answered for this session:

All Seeing Eye

Lest people forget: I am answering all questions strictly chronologically. Please cease complaining like babies, that your questions haven't seen the spotlight yet. I promise you, I will get to them all, one by one, in due course. The users who have posted their questions before you, will naturally have them answered before you.

Thank you all for contributing to a truly wonderful and inspiring thread, so that we may all learn from one another and help each other evolve and realize our true potential in this perfect cosmos.

Let us resume this session, as soon as possible! I take my temporary leave now.

With love,

Your fellow brother.

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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 11:23 PM
reply to post by CaticusMaximus

Dear CaticusMaximus, with my apologies to you and the rest of the reader of initiates thread. I hope these conversation between his posts are not considered to be bickering but more analysis of the story in the intermission. You are correct in your statement that my views are biased. I have an entire life's work of trying to understand, invested in this subject.

I have read through each of initiates posts three times now in my hunger for knowledge regarding something I take very seriously. I would be lying if I where to say that I don't have preformed opinions on the subject and yes that some things would make me feel very uncomfortable if they didn't fit at least loosely into my own beliefs.

As I mentioned, I have read through the posts several times and each time, I experience an uneasy feeling regarding some of initiates' statements. My conclusion regarding initiates' contempt for humanity comes from snippets such as:

Humanity is largely responsible for this great tragedy, the consequence of which has been over ten thousand years of enormous suffering.

How can anything be humanity's FAULT, we are just children growing up, isn't this supposed to be how it works?

The ones currently incarnated, avoid you people like the plague. If I hadn't so much bad sowing to account for, I too would have avoided this task, dear reader.
This statement jars me on many different levels:

Aren't we people,YOU people but less developed?

So you don't feel we are worthy?

So this benevolent deed of passing on this valuable information is actually an act of selfishness.

Why should these brothers of light incarnate into a thankless, cult-like world of appearances and glamor, and try their hand at the impossible ideal of lifting you out of the barbarian age!?
Because isn't that what spiritually evolved compassionate souls do for a living? and how about because the vast majority of humans are good and caring people that are heavily influenced by deception.

It's like looking after a child that's gone completely insane, and tries to stab you to death every time you shut your eyes and fall asleep. We are that child

Please speak for yourself Brother

While my brothers and myself are committed to doing all we can in preventing this, we are not permitted by divine law to destroy their souls (even though we could). That would yield terrible consequences for us.

Does this sound like a compassionate statement -
to paraphrase - If it wasn't for consequences to us, we would destroy their souls.

There have also been several outbursts of very negative emotion that have caused me to wince. I don't need to quote these. Suffice it to say that it is not what I would expect from someone teaching spiritual growth.

I did not make the statement "You are wrong" lightly.

Certain aspects of what initiate has to say goes completely against the grain of what I and many people believe with all our hearts.

Firstly Black magic shouldn't even enter into a discussion relating to spiritual growth. Those who practice it have not even started on the path to spiritual maturity. It is by definition entirely self centered to use the power of the universe to cause harm to others and to enrich themselves at the expense of others.

The degree of power he attribute to Black Magic disturbs me by suggesting that a BM could become a highly evolved soul, I can't see how this could possibly be true.

Unity_99 touches on the same point

Something else that was said by the author of this thread is that good souls can be regressed, that its more about mastery of the energies. That is absolute nonsense. There isn't a Higher Up in existence that allows a good or loving soul to regress.

This is my reason to state that initiate is wrong.

To plant into the minds of anybody, that you can still be powerful and evolve spiritually, while being selfish and destructive is intuitively wrong and could lead some down the wrong path. It is because of this that I suggest caution.

It is not my intent to derail this thread and I thank initiate and all of you for helping me to expand my understanding.

There is information here that certainly rings true but there are also conflicts for me that I felt compelled to point out, It is after all, only my opinion.

I will continue to read the thread (quietly, as I have had my say) and hopefully, have my eyes opened to a greater truth.

With love

edit on 8-6-2013 by kennyb72 because: punctuation

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 12:13 AM
I have to agree with the OP: It doesn't matter what his background is whan it comes to sensational information like this. Whether he is an ex-con and/or a homeless panhandler or even a Fortune 500 magnate for that matter...BS is BS.

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 01:51 AM
reply to post by kennyb72

I have brought up a few points, but also really appreciated some of what he is saying, the most important issues such as

A radiance of love and overcoming reacting or hurt feelings by being somewhat removed and not personally involved except to help. What he said about a baby, I've posted myself. I've posted that those here that are dangerous, even the bloodlines to me, are like toddlers running with a pair of scissors, a danger to themselves and others, and shooting them, smiting them isn't the way to help. We come in to help and need to realize its like a day job, reporting for duty, not be afraid of doing whats right. Now saying this and staying calm is work for most of us.

The details are due to his order, perhaps real memories. But my memories don't go into analyzing years, such as 130 billion years, for negatives to be compressed in. No Way! I know personally that counselors are waiting to help and heal many, and to encourage all to ask. No one wishes anyone to be turned over to the winterlands, or hellzones. On the other hand, if someone is at a certain level they may need to learn more, experience more.

I don't go for rules, cosmic laws, ISMS, and know that Love is what is needed, and seeing through all programmings. I run from all ISMS and any walls that try to drop down!

But don't want to analyze everything another says, believe, if the heart is loving, we're allowed to see things differently.

Its so important to me to see through all the traps and isms, and empty your mind, be water. And to be kind, loving, and overcome things in us that are setting us back. It doesnt matter on the differences though, that post is the way back home.

Be Water My Friend! - Bruce Lee Remix | #eTHErSEC

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 04:26 AM
Thank you for the effort you have obviously put into formulating this very thought provoking and interesting thread.

The fact that you mention such things as other dimensions and telepathy makes me ponder on an acquaintance of mine who has been diagnosed as bi-polar.

All I really know is that they are suffering mental anguish relating to what are termed hallucinations such as hearing voices in their head and seeing reptilians.

Is there any way you can suggest to alleviate this dis ease or provide explanations as to the possible causes.
The motivation for asking this question is varied.
1) You said to question the veracity of everything. This question is both morally and ethically hazardous as it relates to the question of what and who defines sanity and requires you to enter into what may be a challenging area of enquiry.
2) Put simply you state you wish to help people and by doing so you also help yourself. I would like to help this person or at least understand the possible causes and remedies.
3) I am inquisitive and my ‘ego’ prompts me to try and test you
4) I suspect certain members posting on this thread may also find it helpful. Just Kidding.

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 05:06 AM

Imagine the torment my brothers go through, as they temporarily absorb the consciousness expressions of Terra, our inherited planet of Sorrow, so that they may do their best to stimulate the higher (non-physical) vibrational molecules and atoms in the worlds of man!! Consciousness is the vibrational quality and frequency of the individual pri-atom

What are those “higher (non-physycal) vibrational molecules and atoms”?. How could we figure them?.
What is a pri-atom?.

The Illuminati in co-operation with the BMs, still governing these lower realms, have 'permission' to do as they do, because of the countless divine laws that the human race continually discards. our ascended brothers refuse to incarnate into a thankless and hopelessly disoriented world.

We are largely deceived by the BMs,... We are absolutely blinded... (I can guarantee you I don't know what I'm doing here in this world and why I'm here ), and our ascended brothers refuse to reincarnate; so what can we do to get out of the enslavement and to avoid this crap world. (of course it is our fault; I know, I know... ).
Don't you see a contradiction?.

"what could I possibly do, to help my brothers evolve?

I can guarantee you, my brother, I am not predisposed to help my fellow brothers (perhaps some few of them).... I'm a little bit tired. I have lost my faith in humankind. Sorry a lot.

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 07:12 AM
Dear Initiate

I would firstly like to thank you for starting this thread. I can imagine that it is immensely challenging but rewarding at the same time.

I have lurked on here for over six years but this is my first post. I have a question that I would be delighted to receive your answer/opinion on.

My first question concerns your opinions on "Secret Societies". Having been initiated into the Blue Lodge and three further Orders, I have some insight into what takes place during Initiations and Ceremonies. It has been said by HiddenHand that "secret societies" should be avoided at all costs. These sentiments have been echoed by you. I have a number of my own theories supporting these assertions but I would be interested as to why you feel they should be avoided. I will be quite happy to discuss my theories in this thread if that is allowed by you but I will hold back as I do not wish to derail your plan of how you want the thread to develop.

Thank you for your time and consideration and I look forward to reading your reply.


posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 09:46 AM
Thanks in advance for your time and consideration.

Define, explain and expound upon what it truly means to (be an) 'Initiate', as you use the term.

Define, explain and expound upon what you mean by "consciousness".

Other than this forum, do you have other writings available elsewhere and if so, would you please direct us to them.

What one thing would you say best defines the difference between the right and left-hand paths? Okay since that was so easy for you, how about the top 10 differences :-)

If there is one, what is the true meaning and import of 'The Tree of Life'? If it is, how is it important generally/Universally as well as specifically to us at our present stage of development/need? Is it a "blind", meaningless, just an abstract, a deception, or does it work out in(to) the physical, and if so, how?

You SEEM to indicate that we, generally, need to cease "looking for gurus/ultimate answers" and start DOing but in order to make the most effective use of our more passive "study" cycles, how can one sort out the most useful/truthful sources of 'spiritual' information from the least? Are their some generalized 'flags' for which one could/should look in teachers? With the internet, there is a LOT of chaff available these days, how does one go about separating out the informational 'wheat', are there specific techniques/principles that can be followed?

Has the TRUE "White Brotherhood" ever used fiction in order to introduce true principles/teachings to humanity? If not, would they? If so, it would seem somewhat of a contradiction to use untruth to explicate truth! And if not, it seems that they are missing out on an excellent vehicle (entertainment) for reaching the masses!

It seems obvious (to me) that we (mortal humans) have no TRULY inalienable (divine) rights such as to (physical) life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness - at least in terms of/within our present incarnation REGARDLESS of the fact that it is mostly, if not entirely, of our own doing (karma). Would you agree? Why or why not?

If such exists, what is White Magic and how is it 'learned'?

Define, explain, and expound upon 'Pythagorean Hylozoics'. Where might one fine authentic material on it?

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:11 AM
reply to post by Initiate

Allow me to briefly explain: When the BMs realized that after Blavatsky and her pupils Leadbeater, Besant and others had succeeded in distributing the knowledge of the ancient mysteries via their Theosophical Societies, the Lords of the Left Hand Path took counter-measures, in order to neutralize this disruption to their overall plans.

Lesson one: if someone catches you plagiarizing your material off a pack of half-baked racists who in turn ripped most of their stuff from the Vedas, make sure you let your readers know why going to your sources is futile or even -gasp- dangerous.

While I do not support this philosophy of theirs, I must be frank and state that human beings, in their current state of 'being,' have not as yet 'proven' themselves worthy of much else.

Question one: Proven worthy of what to whom?

They are observing this very thread right now with great interest. They are assessing the level of mankind based on the consciousness expressions exhibited by the public. Why don't we use this thread to prove that we are not all repulsive apes, who have yet to evolve from the peasant stage?

Feudalism is now a stage in evolution rather than a relatively recent social construct? Huh.

Yeah, there's an assessment being made, all right. But I think you may wish to swap out "consciousness expressions" with "susceptibility".

Question two: Are you trying to gauge how much disdain an audience will take from a self-proclaimed authority figure, or how little time it takes this particular community to touch bottom in your shallow pool? Or is it just a means to drive traffic to the site?

Lest people forget: I am answering all questions strictly chronologically. Please cease complaining like babies, that your questions haven't seen the spotlight yet.

Yes, because we're all a bunch of narcissistic hacks who desperately crave the spotlight. Oh, wait.

Brings me to question three:

You talk a lot about serving others, and offer no practical advice. Remember, you're dealing with contemptible poo-throwing monkeys here, so you have to really spell it out for us. Because, apparently, being good to our family and loved ones doesn't count. So what does? Volunteering? Kindness to strangers? Community service? Pursuing a vocation that promotes the greater good?

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:20 AM
This seems like a topic I generally wouldn't touch and some would say it's a no brainer but I for one would like to hear opinions from Initiate as well as others on the ethics of eating.

Eating is a huge HUGE activity of our existence. The universe feeds off consumption, transmutation and exchanges of energy. It would be nice to do if right but that won't happen for me until
I really comprehend it. The topic carries with it all sorts of suffering of what we consume. I for one at least give a mental nod to my food. My dietary habits and ethics go up and down and around.

I'll say this, you know what got me thinking? "Secret life of plants". Damn, even the celery is screaming.

It seems to me that our understanding of this topic we see as so clear is actually really deep.

I wonder if it's a matter of the level of the consciousness sentience we choose to eat and it's capacity to have "a crappy time". I figure it's only fair that if something eats me (hopefully while dead or numb) then I should harbor no hard feelings. Pleasant dining, Try my ribs!

Consumption is probably one of the saddest and misunderstood part of my day.
I at least give thanks and appologies for my ignorance. Think about that the next time you devalue your life. (Which I do too sometimes.)

I don't see the world as hell either from my comfy position. It's extremes seem to push you harder to realize limitlessness and focus. In the challenges you can't help but grow. Here's to 27 years of 'Hell' so far. Thank you, all of you, for humbling me. Lol. Now let's all go to the beach.

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:24 AM
I also can't help writing lots even when I try to simplify.
Gotta work on my presentation. For those of you who dislike reading sometimes like me, my above statement is about the ethics and nature of eating. Go!

Speaking of which, it's heavily karmatic breakfast time.
Get those eggs IN ME!

Have a good day everybody.

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