Two-thirds fear 'clash of civilisations' in wake of Woolwich murder

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by Ek Bharatiya

 

However - India has many problems of her own making ... you know this.

edit on 26-5-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)

Yes, I do. We caused many problems on our own and trust me sir, I never forget it.

I love Britain and and the Britishers. They are one of the most cool people I have met. I dont know if you would believe me, but after my granny expired I met a old lady from London who just resembled and talked like her, I told her so and she touched my cheek and I cried a lot because my granny was closest to me. I felt like I met my grandma again. I will never forget that incident.

Plus! I love beer...who in the whole world doesn't love beer and football, they dont know what they are missing out haha! We all have common grounds where we meet , no matter where we are born and raised up and what we believe in.

Originally posted by Tiger5
Well actually anyone who believes that Britain went into any commonwealth country on purely humanitarian lines to manage the "White man's burden" i a scoundrel and jackass!

Please google "commonwealth tariffs" and reduce your complete and utter ignorance.

Who said this ?? No one on this thread - are you ' blue sky thinking' ?

Originally posted by Blister

I love football and an avid fan of MU, Chelsea and other sports club, and I never miss world cup. I love beer..all these attributes would make me half British anyway.

You think THAT makes you half British? Half the frigging world loves those things - except the English by the way.

The American's dont. They call it "soccer" for god's sake. That's blasphemy

Personally, I think the Woolwich murder was the perfect way to reinforce the ability to control the military and their role against foreign foe. Engineered hate.

Originally posted by HelenConway

Originally posted by Tiger5
Well actually anyone who believes that Britain went into any commonwealth country on purely humanitarian lines to manage the "White man's burden" i a scoundrel and jackass!

Please google "commonwealth tariffs" and reduce your complete and utter ignorance.

Who said this ?? No one on this thread - are you ' blue sky thinking' ?

Do keep up

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Post colonial India did not imediately become free as it became neocolonial India and British interests were at stake hence they did not simply leave but had to install a new leader that supported britain. Remember this was also the time of the cold war>

FFS

There is no tension there will be no uprising

The OP is sensationlist journalism

The 2 thirds that think it have to get off their bums and do it

They won't

Jeez guys

Cody

Originally posted by Kashai
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Again only the extreemist are the issue and in all sincerty every society around today has people like that.

That is apparent in relation to people who label all of one society as extreemist.

Any thoughts?

edit on 25-5-2013 by Kashai because: Modifed content

Yes every society does have people like that, but some have more than others, alot more. Islamic society has hundreds of millions of them.

Originally posted by Hopechest
There is a distinct difference on this issue in regards to the Us and the UK. Immigrants into American, throughout generations, tend to become Americanized.That is, the subsequent generations tend to identify more closely with America than they do with their country of ethnic origin.

This does not happen to the same degree in the UK and tons of research have been conducted to figure out why. Mostly it boils down to America's separation from Europe in a geographical sense and also the foundations of each country. America has always been a land of immigrants whereas the UK has not.

American culture is far more "in your face" and dominant than the UK culture which tends to be more protected and unwilling to accept change. Therefore, an influx of immigrants, we see this with the immigration from Mexico, will have far less impact in the US than it will in the UK.

I disagree with that.

Why do so many Americans call themselves Irish American and Italian American when they haven't even been to the countries they precede their true nationality with? Black people in America are Known as African American.

I've never heard anyone call themselves Irish English or African English, despite the fact a huge portion on English people have Irish and African blood flowing through their veins and have regular visits to the countries of their ancestors.

More and more British people of Asian origin have dropped the Asian part.

Many of the Black British communities have done the same.

In fact in certain parts of the country Black and Asian (background) people aren't even distinct communities any more (Black people more so than Asian).

Why do so many Americans call themselves Irish American

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Skip to 2:32 Call it a reality check



Cody

Originally posted by pavil
It's not a clash of civilizations, but Europe in general has got to stop letting in everyone that wants to come in and start kicking out those extremists who have no plans on assimilating. You have these radicals who have come to your countries, live off your countries generous social programs and still want to destroy your country. Just kick them out, those that don't wish to play by the rules. There is no reason to have such people as citizens in your country IMO. I'm not talking all Muslims, but those that don't show any inclination of wanting to be a British or Swedish or German citizen, they don't give it to them and seen them packing

I am back and it looks like I have a lot of posts to get through.

Why did I start this Thread?

Na... I saw a new headline this morning on skynews website, apparently Teresa May is hoping to get new laws in place which allow snooping of emails and social networking sites, also Cameron has said that the Cons will be getting more powers to gag Extremists!!

But this is not good enough IMO. The Extremists need to be kicked out. Gagging them, wont stop the attacks!

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As soon as you start to gag something or someone it instantly looks more attractive to certain people.

Better to just trust people in my opinion.

Good people can police themselves if you let them.

If you try to fight them on every corner they won't.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

Nearly two-thirds of people believe there will be a 'clash of civilisations' between British Muslims and white Britons in the wake of the murder of a British soldier in Woolwich, a new poll shows.

There will be without a doubt, the Quran dictates that it must be so. The goal of all practising muslim is to spread Sharia across the globe and create a global Caliphate to further the cause of their god. Ofcourse this is a continuation of the Crusades, for muslim the Crusades never ended. Britons had better wake up, it's already too late to save England.

You could be right but I hope not.

Hopefully people will see sense and start behaving like Adults!

In my post above I mentioned that Cameron is going to get tough on Clerics who incite this Radical Ideology (he thinks gagging them from speaking will stop Extremists :@@

Originally posted by Ek Bharatiya

Yes, there were communal clashes which resulted in numerous deaths between Hindu's, Muslims and Sikhs. It's nobody's fault but the fault of then so called Hindustan's citizens who fell for Britisher's "Divide and Rule Policy: They shouldn't have divided themselves by Britisher's on the base of caste. creed and religion and allowed themselves to be ruled by British Empire.

Indians dividing themselves on the basis of castes, creeds and religions predate the British in India by thousands of years

It wasn't the British who started murdering 500,000 Indians when India was granted Independence. It was Indians doing the killing.

Originally posted by Ek Bharatiya

It certainly doesn't explain how British expired all the peaceful options in Jallianwala Bagh massacre. I bet they didn't taught that in schools in Birmingham and London. I would like a reply on that.

To be honest, British kids aren't taught much history in schools these days. Even when I was at school years ago, it was starting to go "How would you feel, in a trench on the Western front?". History of the British Empire?

Nothing. India. Nothing.

I do want to agree that the Jallianwala Bagh massacre was a terrible thing.

Both Churchill and Asquith however, openly condemned the attack. Churchill referring to it as "Monstrous", while Asquith called it "One of the worst outrages in the whole of our history"

Winston Churchill, in the House of Commons debate of the 8th July 1920, said, "The crowd was unarmed, except with bludgeons. It was not attacking anybody or anything... When fire had been opened upon it to disperse it, it tried to run away. Pinned up in a narrow place considerably smaller than Trafalgar Square, with hardly any exits, and packed together so that one bullet would drive through three or four bodies, the people ran madly this way and the other. When the fire was directed upon the centre, they ran to the sides. The fire was then directed to the sides. Many threw themselves down on the ground, the fire was then directed down on the ground. This was continued to 8 to 10 minutes, and it stopped only when the ammunition had reached the point of exhaustion."

Link

It was monsters.

Having read a little about it, I think General Dyer over-reacted when Miss Marcella Sherwood, an English missionary, was caught by a mob, pulled to the ground by her hair, beaten, kicked, and left for dead.

She had been rescued by other other Indians.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Kashai

Again only the extreemist are the issue and in all sincerty every society around today has people like that.

But the question is, why does Islam have so many extremists?

• 1 in 8 British Muslims support demonstrators who call for the death of those who insult Islam

ICM Research

• 68% of British Muslims believe that people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.

CBS

• NOP Research survey reports "hardcore Islamists" constitute 9% of the British Muslim population.

• A second group, 29% of the British Muslim population are "staunch defenders of Islam", who aggressively defend their religion from internal and external threats, real or imagined.

• 28% of British Muslims hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state.

CBS

• 40% of UK Muslims support Sharia law being introduced in areas of Britain which are predominantly Muslim. 41% oppose this. 18% are undecided.

ICM Research

• 24% of British Muslims Support Suicide Bombing of Civilian Targets

• 35% of British Muslims aged 18-29 Support Suicide Bombing of Civilian Targets

Pew Research Poll (2007)

What can be stated is that there are a large number of extremist Muslims in the UK.





I had to quote your post here again.

AND YET YOU WILL STILL SEE THE APOLOGISTS COMING HERE DEFENDING ISLAM.

Even when the facts are staring them in the face, they still refuse to believe the intentions of this Religion.

Originally posted by Kashai
reply to post by iBallinU

 

Sounds a lot like Native Americans were treated by Europeans.

Yes of course they are savages we should kill all of them before they polute our genome

What a bunch of garbage and this is what I mean.

Any thoughts?

TBHWY, it used to be a great place to live (Europe or the UK specifically) before 9/11, since then its become quite a #ty place to live and most of this #tiness is down to Immigration from ME & Africa and namely those of 'Muslim' Faith or those who are Radical of some kind.

I am not just saying its those either... we are getting Far Right here from Easern Europe now.... the gates were opened to Multiculturalism (including all Faiths and Ethnicities) and look where its got us???

Great Idea for open door Policy.

Originally posted by HomoSapiensSapiens
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

"Kick Muslims out"?

Does that include White Muslims as well?

You do realize that you can't just "kick ethnic peoples out", right? Think of where they "originate" from - think of what Britain and Europe buys from those countries of origin. Think a little - and you'll see that many of their countries of origin are also countries which we have large trade deals, which have abundances of oil and important minerals. How do you think those governments are going to react if you start "kicking out ethnics"? Do you think it'll all go hunky dory? Do you think trade will continue? Do you think the United States will look on and simply allow you to do such a thing? Do you think Africa, Asia and the Middle East will clap in glee and watch on the sidelines? What do you think will happen to the millions of Britons across the entire planet? They'll just be left alone will they? Not kicked out too?

The fact is, that you're thinking far too narrowly - like some sort of closed-minded EDL-type figure. Hence why entities like the EDL and the BNP aren't in power - they're greatly incapable of critical thought and broad thinking. Have you even considered the economic and political implications of what you are suggesting?

Here we go again.

ATS members who don't read properly or can't understand English correctly.

I never said 'To Kick Them All out' . I said to kick the Extremists out!

I posted what this Poll thought about 'Clashes Of Civilizations' since the attack last week.

And as this poll was only asked of 2000 people, what do you think the stats would read if 100,000 people were asked??

If they had an online poll? More than 50% would be saying a clash of civilizations is inevitable.

Also, I never mentioned anything about 'colour'. please tell me where I mentioned 'Colour' . I know there are many Muslims in the World and I know there are many converting to the Faith of 'Islam'.

CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS!!!!!

How long will you keep denying there is a problem when trying to mix Religion and Politics together in a Civilized Country? More specifically a Religion which hopes to transform the Country into an 'Islamic' one with 'Sharia Law'???

Please do read posts correctly before replying.

The guy who attacked last week was spewing stuff from the Koran. there is no denying that we have problems here with Religious Folk.

Also, I shall ask you to refer to my post from page 1:

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by Hopechest
I will admit that racial tension is definitely on the rise in Briton but I'm curious what type of clash you think is coming.

Will it be gang fights in the street or will the parliament kick out muslims?

I doubt the latter will happen and the former will not change anything so........

I would hazard a guess and say 'Race Wars' or 'People Against Islam'.

It has been brewing for years and as this Poll suggests, is nearly here..... I think Demo's are being held soon which will escalate into something more

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There has also been a small increase in the proportion of people who believe British Muslims pose a serious threat to democracy, up to 34% on Thursday and Friday from 30% in November 2012, according to the YouGov survey of 1,839 adults.

What does this tell you?

Again, if the poll was online, you'd get more than 50% saying that this Religion poses a serious threat to Democracy.

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
i can't believe that pandering to muslims even today in the press were russel brand quotes blame this on madness not muslims but er my Brand if he wasn't muslim he wouldn't have chopped his head off and why should we listen to a ex heroin addict who is so far detached its untrue got to wonder who pulls the strings of these media puppets whilst you love muslims they are snaring our children in peadophille rings and beheading our countryman

you will not stop what is coming in england i live to bleed for my home

Originally posted by Ek Bharatiya




Maybe it's for the best I avoid thinking about it and enjoy my beer. What say?

I have tried avoiding this subject but it keeps popping up in the Media!

Whenever there is a problem in the World, it gets associated with this Religion Of Peace.

I really have tried to ignore it but I just can't. Its in my face 24/7.

I sometimes wish we did not have News from around the World. I sometimes wish we were back in the year 2000 before 9/11.

Are there people who don't agree that Immigrants that incite religious violence or act/preach for violence against their host country, should not be deported?
Do you believe that to migrate to another country means you automatically inherit the divine right to stay no matter how you behave or what you preach to others?