Two-thirds fear 'clash of civilisations' in wake of Woolwich murder

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Again only the extreemist are the issue and in all sincerty every society around today has people like that.

That is apparent in relation to people who label all of one society as extreemist.

Any thoughts?

The sooner that Western nations wake up and realize that Islam is a threat to our way of life and our very existence, the better off the future of Western nations will be.

In the West we strive for equality and treating everyone with the same rights.
In Islam, there is no such concepts.
Equal rights do not exist.

You think because a few Muslims in the West don't care about their religion, that they are the true representation of Islam?

You saw the true representation of Islam on the streets of Woolwich.
You saw the true representation of Islam in Paris with a soldier stabbed.
You saw the true representation of Islam when they blew up the trains and buses in London, the Madrid attacks, the Bali attacks, the 9/11 attacks.
You are seeing the true face of Islam in Sweden with the ongoing riots by Muslim youth.
You are seeing the true face of Islam in Greece where ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are demanding the government build a mosque for them in Athens.
They rioted in Athens a few times as well, because of a rumor that a police officer ripped up the quran.

Go to any major city in Europe or Australia(don't know about America & Canada, but probably the same stories there too), where there are muslim immigrants. Crime has increased, and it is no surprise that these people are the ones being arrested and linked to the crime increases.

These people claim to be good muslims yeh, that islam is a good peaceful religion yeh? That drugs alcohol etc are bad for muslims yeh?
Yet they form gangs, they sell and distribute drugs and guns.
The Chechen terrorists have links with Al Qaeda groups, together they move drugs into Europe. Money that then funds their terrorist activities.
In Australia, these "good peaceful" muslims have started biker gangs and street gangs.
Drive by shootings and shoot outs in crowded public places were almost unheard of in Australia, only the odd flare up between biker gangs in the public eye. They used to settle their differences out of sight not only of the public, but of the police. There's still one club president who disappeared without a trace. That's how things got settled.
These days however, there's an influx of these street gangs...who are all muslims.
They don't do things the old way.
So the established biker gangs are forced to fight back.
Where I live there's an ongoing war between a street gang of muslims and the Hells Angels. It's gone quiet now because they killed the son of the street gangs leader, the leader put in jail but only just got out, so the cops are expecting things to heat up again soon.


What the West needs to do is tell the globalist elite to go screw them selves, and round up all the muslims in the west, and deport them back to muslim countries.
Then ban them from ever coming back again, and never ever accept any muslims in Western countries again.
Ban Islam as a religion in the West, and list it as a terrorist organization, because that's what it is.

And the final step, continue to wage war against Muslim countries.
First target their infrastructure, leave them in the dark, blind with no communications.
Then take out their military forces.
In the case of Pakistan, snatch their nuclear weapons, nuclear scientists, or if that can't be achieved, nuke those sites and any site where a nuclear scientist is suspected of being.

Islam is not compatible with Western civilization.

The moment these parasites are large enough in numbers, they start to make demands and start to cause trouble.
You are seeing that unfold RIGHT NOW across the Western world.

Yet, our governments continue to allow more and more of these people to come into our countries.

If this is what they feel brave enough to do in OUR countries in OUR streets to OUR people at the moment, imagine in another 5 or 10 years when their numbers have grown even more what they will feel they are able to do to us in our own countries.


Call me anything you like, but these are the facts and we are witnessing it happen in our streets right now.
Things are only going to get worse.

We aren't dealing with White Christian immigrants who can easily assimilate into a White Christian society(Eastern Orthodox assimilating into a Catholic/Protestant society for example).
We are talking about people whose religion tells them to convert the infidels, that's me and you, or put us to the sword.
And that's what they will do.


Do you know why they have no problem selling drugs?
Because they are selling them to the infidel.

Many people have been fooled by the political correctness guilt tripping that has occurred.
Time to turn things around before it's too late and the only option is open warfare on our own streets.
And these people wont be simply looking to kill you, they will be raping our women, from young underage girls(because that's what their religion tells them) to elderly women.

We are not dealing with like minded people who belong in western societies.

You know, I have been thinking about the same thing as the OP pointed out. Although, I believe violence begets violence. However, you can only shake a stick at a dog for so long until it snaps. They beheaded a man in broad daylight and right in the middle of a major metropolitan area. That is absolutely outrageous! In other words, the Muslim majority in the UK had best step up and publicly condemn this type of behavior.

I am not saying a few talking points, but vehemently condemn it! Furthermore, they all have to be on the same page as well. That means if they even get a wiff of extremist aspirations out of their breathren? Notify the authorities immediately! It could be an Imam, or even the lowly schmo at the mosque. This behavior has got to stop! I do not want to see another "Kristalnacht." Am I going overboard? I don't think so. People are going to get pushed to far, and that is when all hell is going to break loose.

Originally posted by Kashai

Again only the extreemist are the issue and in all sincerty every society around today has people like that.

But the question is, why does Islam have so many extremists?

• 1 in 8 British Muslims support demonstrators who call for the death of those who insult Islam

ICM Research

• 68% of British Muslims believe that people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.

CBS

• NOP Research survey reports "hardcore Islamists" constitute 9% of the British Muslim population.

• A second group, 29% of the British Muslim population are "staunch defenders of Islam", who aggressively defend their religion from internal and external threats, real or imagined.

• 28% of British Muslims hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state.

CBS

• 40% of UK Muslims support Sharia law being introduced in areas of Britain which are predominantly Muslim. 41% oppose this. 18% are undecided.

ICM Research

• 24% of British Muslims Support Suicide Bombing of Civilian Targets

• 35% of British Muslims aged 18-29 Support Suicide Bombing of Civilian Targets

Pew Research Poll (2007)



What can be stated is that there are a large number of extremist Muslims in the UK.

reply to post by iBallinU


Sounds a lot like Native Americans were treated by Europeans.

Yes of course they are savages we should kill all of them before they polute our genome

What a bunch of garbage and this is what I mean.

Any thoughts?

Originally posted by cody599

4.6 %. At the risk of being honest

Hardly over run is it ?

The percentage of Muslim population in the EU-15 is expected to rise from 4.3% in 2006 to approximately 10% to 15% by 2025, with a higher concentration in urban areas of up to 30% in countries such as France, Germany and Holland.

Link

In May 2006, a Motivaction/GPD Poll found that 63% of Dutch citizens viewed Islam as incompatible with modern European life. A Transatlantic Trends Report that same year, posing the question of Islam’s compatibility with democracy, found comparable negative results in Germany (67%), Italy (62%) and Spain (62%).

Link

If 2/3s of Dutch, German, Italian and Spanish people thought that Islam was incompatible with modern European life in 2006, one can only imagine how high the figure is now.

Originally posted by iBallinU
The sooner that Western nations wake up and realize that Islam is a threat to our way of life and our very existence, the better off the future of Western nations will be.

The people have woken up to Islam being a threat our way of life and existence.

Unfortunately, our ruling elites have not.

Originally posted by Kashai

Sounds a lot like Native Americans were treated by Europeans.

And look at how it worked out for them.

I have worked in Islamic countries, and in general, I find people all over the world generally similar. They all want to do well, be happy, have families, and see their families do well and be happy. I was rather apathetic towards Islam as a whole before I actually read the Koran cover to cover. This was in 2009.

The reason I read it cover to cover was because of an experience a friend told me he had in Kuwait. He's a Brit and is a software engineer. He was in Kuwait for a consulting job programming something with oil pipelines. Anyway, since he's a senior member of the team for his company, he was involved in the contract negotiations including the hourly rate cards of the team, the deliverables, time table, milestones, performance metrics, etc. etc. you get it. The negotiation had stalled, and work couldn't commence before money had changed hands. He explained how this was how business was done and that it was actually a very fair deal. At that point his interpreter stopped and said, "I don't know how to convey that". My friend replied "just tell them that the deal they are getting is a fair one". The interpreter said "I can't, you see in our culture, there is no such thing as a fair deal, everything is negotiable, and there are only winners and losers, a fair deal is considered a negative outcome, to us it means both parties are losers, it's an incredibly difficult thing to explain to them without being offensive".

With that, I decided to find out why. I now know why. There was no way the Kuwaitis could, in their Islamic conscious, consider themselves good Muslims if they gave the "Kaffir" or non-believer software engineers a good deal. It's an outlook where no matter what, despite how well you may get along with a Muslim, and despite how good friends you may be, their faith is demanding them to be against you. In your eyes you can be on their side, but in their eyes, you can never be on their side, their faith demands it. Whether they follow it or not is moot, if they consider themselves Muslim, then the ideology is there.

Knowing that outlook has actually helped me tremendously in dealing with them in a military/security framework (my occupation). I can interact with them much better now.

reply to post by ollncasino


It seems obvious I have made my point

Originally posted by cody599
My wife works in a school that is about 70% British Muslim 25% British Christian and 5% immigrants.

The kids are closer now than ever, it's amazing to see.

Source ? Life experience and truth

Cody

Holy crap Cody, and you think that's normal?

70% muslim, 25% xtian, 5% neither.

Originally posted by winofiend

Originally posted by cody599
My wife works in a school that is about 70% British Muslim 25% British Christian and 5% immigrants.

The kids are closer now than ever, it's amazing to see.

Source ? Life experience and truth

Cody

Holy crap Cody, and you think that's normal?

70% muslim, 25% xtian, 5% neither.

Not in the least
It's the extreme and yet still no tension
That's the point

Cody

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


I think the vast majority of British Christians and Muslims are good people, and that a few extremists on both sides make the situation appear far worse than it actually is, not helped by a media who like to wind everyone up, harping on for days on end, with endless repetition of the negative details of incidents and tensions in our society.

Control the extremists on both sides, and life will go on as usual.....

Originally posted by cody599
reply to post by seabag

 

At the risk of being Captain OBVIOUS I will point out that UK has been overrun by Muslims and your government (and people) continues to allow it.

Pew’s UK figure for 2010 is 2,869,000, which is equivalent to 4.6% of the population.

4.6 %. At the risk of being honest

Hardly over run is it ?

Cody

edit on 25/5/13 by cody599 because: Grammar

but you also just posted that your wife works at a school that is 70% muslim.

Somewhere, there is a disparity of figures explaining the population and where they populate.

My views on Islam and Muslims often cause people to think I am a bigot, an idiot, uneducated, etc.
The following is something I have been telling people for a long time when discussions come up, but this guy who wrote the following explains it much better than I typically do. Perhaps because i'm just a bit too lazy to care enough to be this thorough. This was posted by user ScottinVA on reddit. It is what it is.

"Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here’s how it works.
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.

This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 0.6% Australia — Muslim 1.5% Canada — Muslim 1.9% China — Muslim 1.8% Italy — Muslim 1.5% Norway — Muslim 1.8%

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings.
Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.

Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10% India — Muslim 13.4% Israel — Muslim 16% Kenya — Muslim 10% Russia — Muslim 15%

After reaching 20% , nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in: Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% , nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40% Chad — Muslim 53.1% Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% , nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70% Malaysia — Muslim 60.4% Qatar — Muslim 77.5% Sudan — Muslim 70%*

After 80% , expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83% Egypt — Muslim 90% Gaza — Muslim 98.7% Indonesia — Muslim 86.1% Iran — Muslim 98% Iraq — Muslim 97% Jordan — Muslim 92% Morocco — Muslim 98.7% Pakistan — Muslim 97% Palestine — Muslim 99% Syria — Muslim 90% Tajikistan — Muslim 90% Turkey — Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2% Germany — Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7% Spain — Muslim 4% Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.
They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.
This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8% Philippines — Muslim 5% Sweden — Muslim 5% Switzerland — Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100% Somalia — Muslim 100% Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
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‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel.’ — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos,within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts nor schools nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large.
The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century."

reply to post by winofiend


What part of Luton being a very Muslim area don't you understand? Where are the kids supposed to get an education ?

It's natural that like gravitates to like.

Go 40 minutes to her new school that she starts in September ............. not a Muslim in sight.

Full of kids who's parents read The Gaurdian.

The OP is just alarmist crap from the Gaurdian, a paper read by white middle class Britons that would run a mile if they saw a Muslim.

Cody

reply to post by winofiend

Somewhere, there is a disparity of figures explaining the population and where they populate.

Wherever it is they populate I hope for Cody's sake there is a shortage of machetes and meat clevers or he could have the misfortune of catching one of the extremists on a bad day. That's nothing to laugh about or take lightly after last weeks tragedy. Especially for someone who doesn't recognize problems before they slap him squarely in the face.

Originally posted by Kashai
reply to post by ollncasino

 

It seems obvious I have made my point

If we put the political correctness that has stifled debate to one side, can we state that mass immigration and multiculturalism have been a mistake?

Fire and fury in Sweden as riots spread

Something will happen soon, history shows this.

The question is who "should" prevail. The Muslims pushing for Sharia law, woman's rights taking a complete 180, and death to gay people, or the rest of us.

This may seem like an extreme spectrum, but it really is that simple. The extreme ones really dislike western culture and that women run around driving, voting, all with makeup and styled hair and skimpy (to them) clothing. they hate gay people and hate people who are ok with gay people. And as far as the "moderates" , we don't hear a peep of condemnation against the extremists.

And the truth is, Humanity isn't anymore civilized now, than it was a thousand years ago. try as we might to turn our heads and believe otherwise, we are just as savage, though we wear name brand clothes and gadgets now.

So I say kick them all out (with force if necessary) till they get their own house in order. its the 21st century not the heyday of the Ottoman Empire.