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Originally posted by 27jd
Originally posted by Dreamz
Honestly the only people who need a country of their own are anti american "americans".
Very typical, because I believe in freedom, I am anti-american, you're the first person to say that!
Freedom isnt shutting down the evangelical vote because you disagree with it.
You think you know politics and you think that because you didnt get your way you can impose your hatred amongst others.
Republicans control the House, Senate, and White House, what more is there to know? You have not expressed your infinite knowledge that I can see. Know what a filibuster is? Know that democrats can stop anything that they want if they really wanted to? Know that the Senate and house isnt a straight majority win?
Your whats wrong with America and ill let you know 99% of democrats will agree with me.
Well thanks for letting me know, too bad it's BS, let's see, where's the 99% of democrats that agree with Dreamz that it's un-american to speak your mind? Please post in response. I didnt say they would agree with speaking your mind, im talking about your far fetched idea of splitting the country. And Im sorry, while ATS has some critical thinkers, it seems by the posts that the majority are very partisan.
Your thinking is what splits the country, your lack of knowledge about politics is what splits this country, its blind hatred on stuff you obviously know nothing about.
Free thinking splits the country? Then it needs to be split. Your people are the ones who advocate hatred, I'm trying to do away with it. But that means you have to hate the haters, if that's what you want to call it, by pointing out they're wrong and you want no part of it. I guess that's what splits the country. My people please explain to me what my people are?? For your information, I voted for Bush for President, Russ Feingold for Senate and havent been to church or prayed since i was about 4. So please inform me on what my kind is. Im pointing out that your statement of splitting the country is a joke, not to mention you say you would have a free democracy yet evangelists couldnt have any say. Real free there bud.
[edit on 4-11-2004 by Dreamz]
Originally posted by 27jd
Well, according to your map, and the population centers of this country, the majority of gophers and field mice prefer Bush, I guess America has spoken!
Originally posted by ledbedder20
I think those of you upset with 27jd are purposely missing a point here. I think what he's trying to emphasize is the fact that if Kerry had won, then maybe we wouldn't have as many rights taken from us. The republican party has been more and more proactive at imposing it's beliefs upon people, such as money for churches, religious sacraments in federal buildings and parks, taking away people's voices via the first amendment, taking away the right to due process, the right to be safe from law enforcement unless there is reaonable cause, the right to privacy
, the right to know that we are brothers and sisters with the rest of the world, not an imposing force to be reckoned with
That's why he's advocating the split, not "to whine" or because he's a sore loser, but because in his America and mine, people have the right to be free, in your world, freedoms are a toleration which is allowed by the PNAC neo-conservative administration.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Originally posted by ADHDsux4me
. As you can plainly see it, the votes were broken up predominately like the old line's from North and South.
This is how it was broken down not as clearly cut as you might think.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Im not saying that at all I was trying to show that those blue and red states were not full of support for one person.
Originally posted by ledbedder20
#1 - I see plenty of nativity scenes during the holiday season. Roy Moore got what he deserved under our constitution, my friend. And I would never tell someone or support a president who did tell someone not to display a scene of the nativity.
The republican party has been more and more proactive at imposing it's beliefs upon people, such as money for churches, religious sacraments in federal buildings and parks,
#2 - Money for churches situation.
#3 - First amendment violations.
If that's not enough examples, let me know, I'll find more for you.
We're all humans and we can't crucify the international community for the acts of one group, pretty foolish thing to say buddy.
#5 - My conclusions are based upon fact,
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
"You cannot call it the land of the free until you are willing to let someone yell at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours." President Andrew Shepherd.
President Shepherd: For the last couple of months, Senator Rumson has suggested that being President of this country was, to a certain extent, about character. And although I've not been willing to engage in his attacks on me, I've been here three years and three days, and I can tell you without hesitation being President of this country is entirely about character.
For the record, yes, I am a card carrying member of the ACLU, but the more important question is "Why aren't you, Bob?" Now this is an organization whose sole purpose is to defend the Bill of Rights, so it naturally begs the question, why would a senator, his party's most powerful spokesman and a candidate for President, choose to reject upholding the constitution? Now if you can answer that question, folks, then you're smarter that I am, because I didn't understand it until a few hours ago.
America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want it bad, cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours." You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then you can stand up and sing about the land of the free.
I've known Bob Rumson for years. And I've been operating under the assumption that the reason Bob devotes so much time and energy to shouting at the rain was that he simply didn't get it. Well I was wrong. Bob's problem isn't that he doesn't get it. Bob's problem is that he can't sell it!
We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is, I promise you Bob Rumson is not the least bit interested in solving it. He is interested in two things, and two things only: making you afraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections. You gather a group of middle age, middle class, middle income voters who remember with longing an easier time, and you talk to them about family, and American values and character, and you wave an old photo of the President's girlfriend and you scream about patriotism -- you tell them she's to blame for their lot in life. And you go on television and you call her a whore.
Sydney Ellen Wade has done nothing to you, Bob. She has done nothing but put herself through school, represent the interests of public school teachers, and lobby for the safety of our natural resources. You want a character debate, Bob? You better stick with me, 'cause Sydney Ellen Wade is way out of your league.
I've loved two women in my life. I lost one to cancer. And I lost the other 'cause I was so busy keeping my job, I forgot to do my job. Well that ends right now.
Tomorrow morning the White House is sending a bill to Congress for it's consideration. It's White House Resolution 455, an energy bill requiring a twenty percent reduction of the emission of fossil fuels over the next ten years. It is by far the most aggressive stride ever taken in the fight to reverse the effects of global warming. The other piece of legislation is the crime bill. As of today, it no longer exists. I'm throwing it out. I'm throwing it out and writing a law that makes sense. You cannot address crime prevention without getting rid of assault weapons and hand guns. I consider them a threat to national security, and I will go door to door if I have to, but I'm gonna convince Americans that I'm right, and I'm gonna get the guns.
We've got serious problems, and we need serious people. And if you want to talk about character, Bob, you'd better come at me with more than a burning flag and a membership card. If you want to talk about character and American values, fine. Just tell me where and when, and I'll show up. This a time for serious people, Bob, and your fifteen minutes are up.
My name is Andrew Shepherd, and I AM the President.