I am extremely reluctant to post this. Specifically wondering if anyone else has seen this.

Originally posted by IBelieveInAliens
It would seem you're not the first to have had dealings with this Grinning Man fellow...

Okay, you see this post, right here? ^^^ THIS is what I was looking for. I wanted THIS. Not a #ing debate about religion. I have commited the so-called unpardonable sin. Not because I believe I am rejecting a real spirit, but because I deny that the spirit even exists. But this, to jesus, was unforgivable. I have no salvation either way. So stop bringing it up.

To BelieveInAliens,
thank you for the information. Thank you for ignoring my personal beliefs and not casting judgments. I don't like feeling judged.

reply to post by DarwinVsJesus

what you all apparently fail to realize is that I was raised, for 19 years, in a born-again christian home. I know alllllll about this stuff. I did pray, when I was younger. Nothing changed. But Christians just told me I was doing it wrong. Then they told me I was a sinner and I needed the blood of Christ poured over my head. After all, he did for me.

That kind of "christianity" is the worst kind. That is one form of true evil that we are warned about. The wolves in sheep's clothing that stand at the very gate of salvation. The real real truth you already know about all that organized religion. Don't let it do what it is designed to do and drive you forever into darkness arms.

Be aware of both traps.

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by DarwinVsJesus

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow

Originally posted by DarwinVsJesus
[NOT hypnogogia and NOT sleep paralysis, I am AWAKE, this # is for REAL].

I have regular sleep paralysis. When I have it i am awake. This sounds just like S.P. to me.

I have always sense a malevolent being either always about to open my door, or standing just out of my peripheral vision. Some people have seen something. I just sense it and have had glimpses when I was in dreamier states. Are you able to move during these episodes? I mean why not move toward it and see?

Yes, I can move. and it's not in my peripheral vision. It's not vague.

I've decided this entity Is here to help, and in an ironic sort of way, is terrifying.
My imagination is terrifying. Maybe my aura is too. Maybe I wanted a scary monster and didn't know it.

I don't believe in demons. Or angels. It's not that. If I don't believe these things, and I have repeatedly said I used to be religious, why are people calling me close-minded for saying I wont have it again.

And yes, Satanism is evil, dark, demonic. That's close-minded. Read the goddamn book for yourselves. It seems i'm the only one who actually knows about both.

So if its not a demon or angel, what is it? The only logical explanation is it’s in your mind and you must seek help from a licensed doctor.

Excuse me, my mental health is none of your business based on that lousy conclusion. Maybe its an ET, maybe it's from a different dimension. Doesnt mean its automatically a demon or angel. The other choice is that I'm totally insane? No.

All I wanted was to know if anyone else had seen this entity, maybe what it is.

just out of curiosity, what's the difference between supernatural and ghosts, etc?
i've come to the conclusion after much study, that super natural is the same as hyper natural.
a guy throwing a football is natural, a guy astral projecting, is super natural.

watch this and then read my comment following it


if observation can change your local conditions and solidify matter that is otherwise in a constant state of flux, perhaps something you are thinking or seeing, is solidifying this entity from another timeline. if that makes sense. i'd check your environment, books, posters, photos, for symbols or something that might be some kind of avenue to materialize this guy into your timeline. i know it sounds crazy but if you watched that video, and think about the implications, you are traveling down a timeline that can be modified based on your actions, even the simple action of observation.

Whats very interesting and I would like to go more in depth with you on this subject, that you remember things from when you were 2.5. You see my entire childhood I felt like I was visited at night. Never sleep paralysis like what some people have told me. I was actually walking around and wide awake. I've been interrupted in the middle of these episodes by friends who were sleeping over, my brother, parents, etc. I'm not sleep walking either because these episodes are again, of me being sound of my body mind environment. There have been times where i have felt completely petrified and was not able to move, this was out of complete fear for my life.

Back to the interesting part for me though...I can remember things from a very early age. I'm talking 1 year old. I know that seems weird and most of you will be skeptical, but it is what it is. I've also been told by family how beyond my years I was when I was younger. My sentence formations were way ahead of my time. My 3rd Christmas I explained to my father and uncle how I thought the spine sent messages throughout the body from the brain. In preschool during play time, I pretended that I was the author and illustrator of the Babar books. I explained as if i were being interviewed my reasoning and concepts for writing the books. When my 2 year old sister passed away when i was 5 years old, at the funeral home I asked family if they would like to all sit down and talk about how they felt and ways we could move on from this tragedy. Not your typical child. I'm not in any way a genius or have some high IQ. I've always had questions about my episodes with the Visitor, but have yet to find someone who had the same processes and situations as myself.

Flash forward to my life now. I rarely have an episode, I live a normal life, but my dreams have taken on a new meaning. I feel lucid dreaming doesn't fully explain it. Out of body experiences are close, but no marbles. These dream episodes are where I find the Visitor now. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. However i always find myself trying to escape back. I explained to my wife a few times while we were dating what i dealt with. It of course freaks her out, but she believes me and tries to understand. She recently watched the movie Insidious with several of her girlfriends and she immediately started questioning if some of the events in the movie was how i saw things, so i watched it. I wouldn't say its the same exactly, but i feel like there are some things that worry me.

To sum it all up, I'd like to post my own topic as well as talk more through private messages on some more detailed experiences and if maybe we have more in common than we think. I also would love to hear from some of you guys as well.

THX for your similar-to-the-OP personal experience. I suspect that a vast majority--well above 51%--of the populace have had similar experiences. All the more so as the occult dabblings and 'open spiritual doors' have increasingly saturated society from the satanic influenced music industry . . . horror films . . . etc.

Originally posted by Mclaneinc
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

I agree but I'm just playing logically safe.

THX THX. I'm all for playing it logically safe. I'm just not convinced that your assertions are as factually logical as they may seem on the surface.

Most but not all visions of odd people from awaking have direct medical reasons,

Sorry. Actually, I'm NOT in agreement about that. I don't think "Most" is true. I'd guesstimate that less than 5% come from physiological medical problems. Perhaps with a schizophrenic diagnosis, the percentages could be MUCH higher and a majority. But even there, I'm still not convinced that even 80-90% of schizophrenics are so as a result of physiological medical problems. I could be wrong about that but that's just my experience. It's been a long time since I looked at schizophrenic statistics in any sense. And I don't know that THOSE SORTS of statistics are available even for schizophrenics.

I could believe that MAYBE 55-70% or so of diagnosed schizophrenics had a DNA/genetic factor or physiological brain wiring PREDISPOSITION toward the malady. HOWEVER, I've personally either never seen or have a hard time recalling any clients/patients who carried that diagnosis WHO ALSO did NOT have a horrific childhood--a VERY CRAZY-MAKING childhood.

In every case . . . I early had the conviction that THAT CHILDHOOD would have made anyone extremely crazy--genetic predisposition, or not.

In terms of the OP related issues . . .

I've not seen any statistics on such things, at all.

Personally, from my experience, I'd disagree with "Most" such being from physiologically generated medical maladies.

I'd insist that by far, the vast majority such come from some spiritual occult door being opened giving 'spiritually legal' access of such dark forces, entities into an individual's life--including dreams; altered states; between sleep and dream states; waking states etc. I'd actually personally guesstimate that this would be the case in 95-98% of the cases.

I've even known a case or 3 where there were physiological medical problems contributing to mental disorientation and problems . . . but where some occult involvement had made matters worse--and when the spiritual component was dealt with and the person taught how to maintain such freedom--their mental state was GREATLY IMPROVED in lasting ways in spite of the physiological problems.

I guess for me . . . the key issue would be ARE THERE OTHER SYMPTOMS that indicate some physiological problem. IF THERE IS A PHYSIOLOGICAL PROBLEM, there WILL BE OTHER symptoms, imho.

There will be other evidences of mental dysfunction--in perception; in congruence; in reality testing about other--NON-spiritual aspects of reality; in their sense of balance and health in other-than-sleep type situations; in their relationship feelings and exchanges etc.
.

as you know most are people who are actually still asleep but as dreams are real to you at the time you are 100% sure you are awake.
. . .

I'm just an ordinary boring bloke...

imho, ordinary boring blokes rate high in my respect. LOL.

I don't know that "most people" ... are always lastingly "100% sure" they are awake.

In my experience, there's at least some question or doubt--particularly initially on the part of most people having altered states experiences while in bed.

In my own case, I KNEW I had not gone to sleep. I'd only just pulled the covers up from just getting in bed moments before. I got up and looked out the window; rechecked the time; etc. I KNEW I had not been near sleep.

I think many (?%?) have experienced scars, wounds, etc. on their bodies that they did not have when they went to bed--inexplicable marks. And, sometimes, they "know" things from the experience that mere dream states could not have accounted for.

Thanks for your civil and kind replies. Blessings,

reply to post by DarwinVsJesus


I can somewhat understand your feelings and attitude.

Nevertheless I ASSUME that you also are SOMEWHAT SERIOUS about learning what

REALITY and truth is REALLY going on in your life.

Some of us have had similar experiences--including with grossly disappointing experiences with "REARED CHRISTIANITY, CHURCHIANITY" . . . and with "NOT DOING IT RIGHT" pseudo-Christianity

as well as

with entities 'from the dark side.'

And we have come to different conclusions.

A full discussion of all sides of the factors, issues, dynamics, forces etc. presented in your OP is a reasonable thing.

It does not REQUIRE you to get an attitude about such perspectives in a hostile way.

"....I gave him a try. I am of the opinion that god is not real. If god is real, he is the most vile, evil, vicious being of all.
My mother has been a faithful christian for her whole life. She met my dad when she was 12, married him, and 33 years later he left. I used to come home from school and see her hugging he feet begging him to stay. She attempted suicide. years later, she remarried a minister. He physically abused her, cheated on her, and left her with viral STDs. All the while she faithfully prayed. All the while she said "god has something good for me". I've watched it destroy her. She can no longer care for herself...."

As an RA victim (child) in a screwed up generational family (gov/occult/Christiandom-Xertianity),

I've too had several of these types of visits, etc., even photographed one. For years I did as you're doing, trying to find out what and why, etc., till one day I just got sick of being Controlled by this crap. Got to place, I didn't CARE anymore because one, it was destroying my life and I've suffered enough damage and two, why should I give glory to jerks, including spiritual one's? God devils vampires, it's all the same crap,

A bunch of tyrannical child abusing thugs.

So...I began to look first, withing and decided, Chose rather, that evil, Hell, lies, whatever, I couldn't CONTROL what others do, humans, deities, etc., I can ONLY control what I do, and I dumped the Emotional TERRORISM and Blackmail. Then, lol that's when all the love bombing crap comes in, but I don't and won't play Those games either. Been there done that got the tee shirt, all in all it leaves nothing but a black hole soul death. So...I chose to for my own sanity to Concentrate more on what I am and do. Funny when I did That, the visits and all that became less and less...so then I began to focus on nature, etc., and re-question, all this voodoo type of stuff...fear, Pride, etc.,

And I realized, that whether they are real beings or not, I think it has more to do with the ENERGY from those around us AND prior to us...this is why Children are more susceptible to sensing and seeing is because they are not corrupted. They pick up in these energies where we as we age and become corrupt do not, etc., you mention your mother, etc.,

That being, is the energy of Hate, bitterness, scorn, fear that YOU pick up from the environment you are in, and I do think these energies get in the houses, etc., but more than that, they follow us. If that makes sense...and the way to combat them, is rather than focus on them which feeds that energy (think physics) focus on doing something posits pave (think on an algebra graph, negative and positive both hori and vertical) and begin to add upward and to the right. Choose where YOU want to be on that graph, because THEY chose where they want to be, that graph is the universe...numbers on the graph are not stagnate unless they want to be, I suppose, but even if, let's say, a negative is forcing numbers onto you, you Still can emit positive numbers from yourself.

So Next time you encounter, try singing...seriously, start thanking the crickets, focus on every positive force and start thanking THEM. See this world LOVES to praise the evil because it's Easy, doesn't take a lot to bully, terrorize, steal, kill, destroy, but now to swim Upstream THAT'S hard, that takes a Special power, and if you think this energy war isn't real, try the adding positive...that's when you really come under attack.

There is Nothing glorious about Sadism, to terrorize a weaker, is like an Elephant raping and terrorizing piss ants for glory. Do we see elephants do this? NO. So, these stories of evil beings and the whole being awed by them, is pure LIES and BUNK. Whales are massive mammals but they do NOT terrorize all the ocean life. So much of this occult crap is just pure lies that Cowards have used to Demand worship, from the very weak they Should have been caring for...rather than stealing from. This is why those belief systems always murdered children and why they destroyed themselves only to resurface to destroy again...evil energy, the Easy way out. Bullies, tyrants, thugs...there power lies in LIES, not truth. Yes they can harm, terrorize, destroy...that's ALL they can do. They can't give life, balance, wisdom, (evil genius maybe but not wisdom because wisdom takes patience and doesn't demand worship) they Terrorize children because they hate the goodness children see, they Can't see it, they trashed it and now they are black holes..they CHOSE that. YOU don't have to chose that...none of us do.

The choice, is Love, or Power...

They Hate love, because LOVE is the one power they cannot destroy, it will Always resurrect, victorious, and they know it. Change what you think upon, claim forgiveness to those wronged by all in your ancestry to close any doors, seek justice, and work against the hate in the family line that opened the doors to the dark energy.

reply to post by maddy21

Being a Hindu i would ask you to say a prayer before sleeping every night... Just try it ... This is a prayer to Goddess Kali

I have called on Shiva several times when attacked by entities at night. I remember one time many years ago, I was having one of these night attacks, and while in the dream state I was calling "Shiva Shiva Shiva Shiva Shiva" over and over till I awoke.

We can train ourselves to call to our friends of light even while sleeping.

I was going to post about Shiva last night

Astral travel happens and we must be able to protect our bodies while we are sleeping.

reply to post by ThreeBears


I am continually amazed at how many people relate evil behavior to Christianity. Perhaps you are looking at this from a glass half full or glass half empty perspective.

Just because people have the "Christian faith" does not mean they are going to be nice people, and it doesn't mean that Christianity caused these people to be mean. Understand what I am saying?
I believe in reincarnation, and in this theory, our souls learn the lessons of life, go through the life cycle, then reincarnate into the developing baby body to do it all over again and learn more lessons.
Sometimes we have to learn difficult lessons. Sometimes we have heavy karma from past lives. Taking responsibility for our own souls means not necessarily blaming our situations on some religion or on other people. This is why I don't accept the "vicarious atonement". We must be responsible sons and daughters.
People who desire the Utopian life may not always be taking responsibility for their own actions. This is also why Socialism and the Welfare state ultimately does not work, because it merely circumvents the process of learning.
Some years ago, I read Margaret Paul's books on the Inner Child. We can do our Inner Child work. I do recommend it for healing the wounds of the childhood.
I once attended a lecture by another author who wrote a book called, "The Legacy of The Heart-The Spiritual Advantages of a Painful Childhood" and he did a lot of Hospice work and had been around Buddhist monks. He said that in Buddhism, one learns that it is not the suffering which makes a difference but in how we react to it. Buddha does not teach that we have no suffering, but that we learn to deal with the suffering and not be attached to the pain.
In this way, we are not attached to pain or desire. Desire causes suffering.
The RA abuse thing is another can of worms and I'm not sure there's any direct correlation between that and appearances of entities at night but it sounds like you are blaming religion instead of the soul's individual karmic patterns.
Note: you have blamed Christianity and yet did not acknowledge the OP declared himself Satanist....I wonder why the oversight?

OP have you tried orgonite? Start researching it and see if you want to take the step to buy it/make it.

Here's an example of evil spirits and orgonite:

www.friendly-ghosts.com...

If I was you I would be trying everything at this point. The great thing is you can make it yourself or buy it relatively cheap online.

I hope you turn out ok man, I think I'm somewhat going through the same thing, theres definitely some sort of dark presence in my house as well.

reply to post by undo


Interesting and novel approach. Sounds like quantum physics.

reply to post by DarwinVsJesus

Okay, you see this post, right here? ^^^ THIS is what I was looking for. I wanted THIS

okay so everyone didn't give you the response YOU wanted or expected in YOUR thread, but you sure got bent out of shape about it.
You experienced religion, then you rejected it, and still have the problem. I have had many dreams, whether entities, malevolent spirits, aliens or just flying around.
I once found myself boarding an alien ship in my dream. From the outside I could see an alien in the window. It was grey with a tri cornered head. It looked like it was busy with a task. Then suddenly I was in a line with people on the ship and I turned to the person behind me who tried to convince me they were spiritual beings and were benign. I thought this is a mind trick and I refused to accept it. I then woke up.
So is that what you want to hear? You want to take in all the different visions and experiences that people have had, or do you want tools to protect yourself from the evil?
You are likely a sensitive person and need protection of some kind.
Some day you may hit rock bottom with this and finally admit that just delving into it like diving into a pool just takes you deeper. Trying to ignore it doesn't help either.
Enough people have told you of their experiences so now you know you are not alone in this.
So I apologized to you last night before sleeping, and you have never acknowledged that either.
It has been said before that we are not human beings having spiritual experiences, we are spiritual beings having human experiences.

reply to post by DarwinVsJesus


Don't feel as if you are alone, DVJ. There are many who share your feelings if not exactly the same experience.

Like most of the stuff I've done that I can feel a little pride in, this came to me basically as a finished piece at work (mid '70s). I rushed out to the car at break and scribbled it down on every bit of paper I could find in the car before it slipped away...



Shade
By Don Hensley(Cornshucker, here)

I have a shade that visits me.
He sits near the foot of my bed.
I've known him well 'most all my life
'Though precious little's said.

He brings me dreams of odious things
That drip dark ooze and slime;
Of castles built on lonely hills
Then filled with filth by Time.

He's asked me, "What if Lucifer
Should sit on Heaven's throne?
If when Armageddon finally comes
Our Father passes on,
Good and Evil truly clash
And Good is finally beaten?"

...You know, I've wondered,
Are souls just simply cast away
Or very slowly eaten?

Countless nights I've tossed and turned,
Clawed through waves of my own sweat,
Jerked awake from tortured dreams
Of nameless things I can't forget.

I know I'm not the first to sin
And surely not the last,
But please, dear friend, while I still have time
There's a favor I must ask.

I have a shade that visits me.
He may my whole life through.
Don't listen tonight
...When you turn out the light,
...You may find you have one, too.

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by DarwinVsJesus

 

It's fear and well, I don't know how to tell you this, but you went to the wrong place for the answer on how to deal with it. Judging by your username, I am assuming you know where I am going this. I will suggest less of the former and more of the latter. Give him a try. Call out his name.

You don't have to be tortured with fear.

I absolutely agree with this.

Also, enough of the evil/good nonsense. Put your religious faith aside and try to understand it. Yes it has a form, it cannot avoid the form it has. it is what it is, and for some reason it has taken a lifelong interest in you. It smiles PROBABLY to help put you at ease. it is constantly picking on you probably to get you used to its presence.

Look, If it wanted to destroy you it would have done so long ago. Also your "higher self" is 99% likely to be the fear in you making up a fiction of what it actually is. Your fear is a very basic fear of the unknown. Your mind naturally fears what it does not understand. Understand it and end your suffering.

It is EXTREMELY rare that humans ever understand visitations like this purely due to their irrational reaction based on ignorance. Even the elusive "shadow people" are not understood, but simply labeled by religious nutjobs. Don't be a nutjob. Call it out and confront it.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by undo

 

Sounds like quantum physics.

it is. well the universe works the way it does, for a reason. if the entity she's/he's talking about is real, and capable of flitting in and out of 3d space, he's clearly doing so somehow. for him to interfer in the op's life in the manner he has, it's possible this may be a case of inter-dimensionality. quantum physics is an area that might apply. for lack of any further data i'm capable of comprehending, timelines seem to be the best explanation. the op is experiencing moment's on a timeline not his/her own as a result of observing something that solidifies this particular entity from the chaotic flow of trillions of potentialities. the question is what and also, why he would have any control over the op's memories. that doesn't make a bit of sense.

Originally posted by sxt004
Whats very interesting and I would like to go more in depth with you on this subject, that you remember things from when you were 2.5. You see my entire childhood I felt like I was visited at night. Never sleep paralysis like what some people have told me. I was actually walking around and wide awake. I've been interrupted in the middle of these episodes by friends who were sleeping over, my brother, parents, etc. I'm not sleep walking either because these episodes are again, of me being sound of my body mind environment. There have been times where i have felt completely petrified and was not able to move, this was out of complete fear for my life.

Back to the interesting part for me though...I can remember things from a very early age. I'm talking 1 year old. I know that seems weird and most of you will be skeptical, but it is what it is. I've also been told by family how beyond my years I was when I was younger. My sentence formations were way ahead of my time. My 3rd Christmas I explained to my father and uncle how I thought the spine sent messages throughout the body from the brain. In preschool during play time, I pretended that I was the author and illustrator of the Babar books. I explained as if i were being interviewed my reasoning and concepts for writing the books. When my 2 year old sister passed away when i was 5 years old, at the funeral home I asked family if they would like to all sit down and talk about how they felt and ways we could move on from this tragedy. Not your typical child. I'm not in any way a genius or have some high IQ. I've always had questions about my episodes with the Visitor, but have yet to find someone who had the same processes and situations as myself.

Flash forward to my life now. I rarely have an episode, I live a normal life, but my dreams have taken on a new meaning. I feel lucid dreaming doesn't fully explain it. Out of body experiences are close, but no marbles. These dream episodes are where I find the Visitor now. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. However i always find myself trying to escape back. I explained to my wife a few times while we were dating what i dealt with. It of course freaks her out, but she believes me and tries to understand. She recently watched the movie Insidious with several of her girlfriends and she immediately started questioning if some of the events in the movie was how i saw things, so i watched it. I wouldn't say its the same exactly, but i feel like there are some things that worry me.

To sum it all up, I'd like to post my own topic as well as talk more through private messages on some more detailed experiences and if maybe we have more in common than we think. I also would love to hear from some of you guys as well.

I don't know why most people don't remember things this early. But then, I have an eidetic memory. And a psychiatric evaluation that proves it. I used to beat my parents at 'memory' when I was 3. They insist they were really trying to do better than me.

and the sad part is my drug use really messed up my cognition. I'm SOBER NOW so don't even go there, people. But part of sobriety is post-acute withdrawal syndrome. It's going to be a while before I return to normal.

Originally posted by Ewok_Boba

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by DarwinVsJesus

 

It's fear and well, I don't know how to tell you this, but you went to the wrong place for the answer on how to deal with it. Judging by your username, I am assuming you know where I am going this. I will suggest less of the former and more of the latter. Give him a try. Call out his name.

You don't have to be tortured with fear.

I absolutely agree with this.

Also, enough of the evil/good nonsense. Put your religious faith aside and try to understand it. Yes it has a form, it cannot avoid the form it has. it is what it is, and for some reason it has taken a lifelong interest in you. It smiles PROBABLY to help put you at ease. it is constantly picking on you probably to get you used to its presence.

Look, If it wanted to destroy you it would have done so long ago. Also your "higher self" is 99% likely to be the fear in you making up a fiction of what it actually is. Your fear is a very basic fear of the unknown. Your mind naturally fears what it does not understand. Understand it and end your suffering.

It is EXTREMELY rare that humans ever understand visitations like this purely due to their irrational reaction based on ignorance. Even the elusive "shadow people" are not understood, but simply labeled by religious nutjobs. Don't be a nutjob. Call it out and confront it.

edit on 30-4-2013 by Ewok_Boba because: (no reason given)

I like this assessment. The thing is, it goes beyond the experiences. I am occasionally (frequently) "injected" with terrifying ideas that I can't shake and that leave me feeling very vulnerable.

Last night I was creeped out by the thought that "It could be under your bed right now, you wouldn't even know it."

I don't believe its under my bed. But the thought of it is awful. I always get that feeling about opening doors. Itf it's going be on the other side of the door, you can't do a thing about it.

These ideas frighten me.

Last night I saw, not out of the corner of my eye, something peak at me from around the corner of my bedroom, when I noticed it , it went back out of sight. It was white.

is it possible it's not even your memories he's referring to?
if my weird theory is correct, he could be referring to you and your memories on a different timeline in some alternate universe, in which case, he may not even know he's in the wrong place. i would seriously suggest checking around your environment for items, objects, photographs, perhaps something you've had since you were a 2.5 years old, and if you think you've found it, move it out of your visual range.

i dunno. only thing i can think of to explain paranormal phenomemon is that it's probably easily defined with science, we just don't have all the loose ends yet.