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Originally posted by Bluesma
Yes. That was my original assertion in the OP of this thread. That using gurus, teachers, examples, religions, philosophies, whatever, is a useful tool in transforming the ego.
I only suggested that it might be even more effective and enjoyeable if one takes care to choose consciously which person, or group they decide to undertake this process with. They shall be extremely influencial in the formation of your "new" ego (or structure of it), so discernment is good.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by Bluesma
Yes. That was my original assertion in the OP of this thread. That using gurus, teachers, examples, religions, philosophies, whatever, is a useful tool in transforming the ego.
I only suggested that it might be even more effective and enjoyeable if one takes care to choose consciously which person, or group they decide to undertake this process with. They shall be extremely influencial in the formation of your "new" ego (or structure of it), so discernment is good.
If you are looking for someone who knows the truth - how could you possibly know who to trust?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Do you see where it says 'is pushed away'? The mother rejects the child - it negates it. The child is full of love and has no where to direct it. It feels isolated and neglected. It feels bad
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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If you are looking for someone who knows the truth - how could you possibly know who to trust?
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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If you are looking for someone who knows the truth - how could you possibly know who to trust?
Looking for someone who knows the truth?
Are you still believing there IS "A Truth"??
I refer to choosing a truth.... a structure of thought, idea, values, that will form your perception, and experience.
You can tell which ones you would like to have by looking at the results they have given others- is the person you are considering being seeded by happy? Do they have a view and response to the world that you too, would like to have and experience?
That is what gives you an idea of what their particular beliefs, ideas, values, perceptions will create for YOU if you choose it.
And that is very individual! We don't all aspire to the same types of experiences!
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by Bluesma
Yes. That was my original assertion in the OP of this thread. That using gurus, teachers, examples, religions, philosophies, whatever, is a useful tool in transforming the ego.
I only suggested that it might be even more effective and enjoyeable if one takes care to choose consciously which person, or group they decide to undertake this process with. They shall be extremely influencial in the formation of your "new" ego (or structure of it), so discernment is good.
If you are looking for someone who knows the truth - how could you possibly know who to trust?
Originally posted by InTheLight
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by Bluesma
Yes. That was my original assertion in the OP of this thread. That using gurus, teachers, examples, religions, philosophies, whatever, is a useful tool in transforming the ego.
I only suggested that it might be even more effective and enjoyeable if one takes care to choose consciously which person, or group they decide to undertake this process with. They shall be extremely influencial in the formation of your "new" ego (or structure of it), so discernment is good.
If you are looking for someone who knows the truth - how could you possibly know who to trust?
Why look for someone else's truth, when your truth is right in front of you?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Bluesma
Is a child who is neglected of love going to feel good? [
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
It was a reply to someone else - it was answering their point.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
I am not seeking a guru who can tell me show me the way. I would not allow any belief system to be implanted into me.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by Bluesma
Yes. That was my original assertion in the OP of this thread. That using gurus, teachers, examples, religions, philosophies, whatever, is a useful tool in transforming the ego.
I only suggested that it might be even more effective and enjoyeable if one takes care to choose consciously which person, or group they decide to undertake this process with. They shall be extremely influencial in the formation of your "new" ego (or structure of it), so discernment is good.
I am not sure how anyone could discern who can be trusted.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Bluesma
Discomfort is not love.
Discomfort feels bad.
Originally posted by Bluesma
I think you make it a clear point that you wish to remain empty of as much content as possible, so that very little attaches and become a "person" that anyone can have an opinion about, have feelings for, like or dislike, agree with or disagree with. You have stated that this is a source of discomfort for you.
My assertion was more of interest to people who liek and enjoy social contact with others, and enjoy living, and creating experiences. Creation sometimes is not possible without the grain of "other" to supplement it and add new elements. Nothing wrong with masturbation, be it mental or physical!
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Bluesma
Discomfort is not love.
Discomfort feels bad.
It seems you are not able to grasp what I said.
Discomfort is an experience. If you have no mental self concept, it just "is".
But love is never discomfort?
I guess you are not with a partner...?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
I have not stated anything of the sort. - there is no discomfort here.
People have many, many opinions - I have noticed.
The emptiness is full. Yet you believe the emptiness is just empty - it is just empty of me.
Originally posted by InTheLight
reply to post by MegaSpace
I wouldn't put it down to being spiritually superior, per se, because to me this 'knowing' your truth (facing, understanding then accepting your ego, ID and superego and all the rest of the mish mosh these create, plus throw in socialization programming, etc.) encompasses the whole being, as well as those other beings you choose to go through life with. Those people in your life are beside you on the same path and can also offer you another perspective to your ever changing truth; perhaps to realize a universal truth you both experience along the way.
More wise quotes:
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool.
Richard Feynman
Only your real friends will tell you when your face is dirty. ~Sicilian Proverb
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
I have not stated anything of the sort. - there is no discomfort here.
People have many, many opinions - I have noticed.
You repeat it all the time, and you repeated it at the bottom of this post.
You will not acknowledge a "me", an individual personality, ever.
I can copy and paste the many statements in your posts that claim "ego/individuality, is the source of pain/suffering."
-But I have been through this with you and know your answer will be- this was just written, no person wrote it, not me, for there is no me."
The emptiness is full. Yet you believe the emptiness is just empty - it is just empty of me.
It is not "full" if you have been eliminated from it. "All" includes self, it is not "the opposite of Self".
Originally posted by Angle
It's not destroying ego, it's to undo yourself of its influences.edit on 23-4-2013 by Angle because: (no reason given)