then you have no foundation from which to form an opinion.
How is the baby, with its own DNA a "part" of the womans body?
Originally posted by Kali74
No one is pro abortion.
Pro-choice doesn't equal pro abortion.
There's no such thing as a full term abortion.
No one would feed a dog an aborted fetus, or stomp it under their heel. WTF kind of question is that even? Do we do that with severed limbs or removed appendixes? No.
Originally posted by James1982
The main point here is:
Most pro-abortionists say a fetus is NOT a being, an entity, until it is born.
If the fetus IS an entity, a being, the argument of "it's the woman's body" falls flat.
Therefore, if the acts describe invoke an emotional response, this proves that people DO believe a fetus IS an entity, it's own being, therefore the argument "it's a woman's body" is a fallacy, as we all realize a fetus is NOT the woman's body, it's a being, its own entity.
THAT'S that basis for be describing those acts. I hope you can follow.
Originally posted by WhiteHat
Why is that relevant to you? Why is an unborn child more important than the rest of humans who die daily in this world? Kids, teenagers or grownups, they die every minute and every second, as we speak even, from various reasons, some more absurd than abortion. I never understood why is everybody so passionate about fetuses, when millions of kids die of hunger and thirst.
Maybe when we, as society, we'll be able to support all our kids, wanted or unwanted, women won't see a reason for abortion anymore.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
While were on the topic of controlling people and their bodies i propose that all men only be allowed to masturbate twice a week and NEVER on a sunday (for religious reasons)
Originally posted by butcherguy
Interestingly enough, you are completely ignoring the fact that I was speaking of the abortion of a full term fetus. The specific procedure that I was speaking of is what some people call a partial birth abortion.
In that procedure, the fetus is delivered feet first (known as a breech birth). Breech births are avoided during normal deliveries. It is done intentionally for a full term abortion for a specific reason. The reason is, if the fetus is delivered head first, it transforms magically into a baby when the head is outside of the mother. If they deliver it head first and snip the spine, it is considered murder. Feet first, with the head still in the mother, it is a fetus and snip away.... it is just an abortion.
You know what it is all about, don't you? You just directed the discussion away from the difficult question to say that more mothers die giving birth than women having abortions.
See, the question is this: For a full term abortion, why not just deliver the baby head first and throw it in the trash? It would be safer for the mother. Breech delivery is not recommended. As far as throwing it in the trash, why not. If it isn't a baby when the head is in the mother, it isn't after it pops out a second later.edit on 4-4-2013 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by James1982
I think if a woman is raped, involved in incest, or is in severe medical danger, she should absolutely be able to have an abortion.
If you're pro-life, under those conditions you still wouldn't have the choice to abortion, not even if the mother's life was in danger. Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion. It means it leaves the choice of abortion up to the mother.
Wouldn't you want to have a choice to abort if it was going to end up killing you? How about if you were a victim of a horrendous rape, would you like to have a child who would always remind you of that terrifying incident in your life? Wouldn't you want that "choice" option? How about having a choice to abort a fetus who would end up having a horrendous disability. Would you want to live an entire life needing to be fed, changed, and bathed? Having the choice to Abort is between the mother and her maker. Nobody has the right to decide what you can or cannot do to your own body.
Pro-choice is black or white. There is no gray area. When you declare yourself Pro-Life, you want to preserve life at any cost. So it sounds like you're more pro-choice rather than pro-life.
Here's the hypocrisy of the whole Pro-Life thing...
1. They're the first ones that say they want government to stay out of their life, yet they want the government to
make it a law that declares abortion is illegal and decide on what a women is allowed to do with her own
2. Most Pro-Lifers support capital punishment. Isn't that also killing a living human being? Life is life.
3. Most Pro-Lifers support an invasive foreign policy and are the main supporters of U.S. conflicts and wars.
Again where is the concern for human life here?
4. Most Pro-Lifers prefer private healthcare Insurance that leave millions without healthcare or
preventative medical care. Preserving life at any cost, isn't that the hallmark of Pro-Life?
5. Most Pro-Lifers are hunters, so being Pro-Life doesn't take into consideration the life of animals?
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Abortion is a women's issue and you should leave it to women to decide what's right and wrong.
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by jjkenobi
In the hospital right now this second what determines if a person is alive or not? Pulse. Heartbeat.
As soon as a fetus has a heartbeat it's alive.
A heartbeat may mean something is alive, but is it a person? A zygote isn't a person, but it may be "alive".
Originally posted by aethertek
God is Pro-Abortion, look how many fetuses He aborts.
Although statistics can vary slightly from one source to the next, here is a general account (based primarily on information provided by the March of Dimes) of the frequency of miscarriages in the United States:
There are about 4.4 million confirmed pregnancies in the U.S. every year.
900,000 to 1 million of those end in pregnancy losses EVERY year.
More than 500,000 pregnancies each year end in miscarriage (occurring during the first 20 weeks). Approximately 26,000 end in stillbirth (considered stillbirth after 20 weeks)
Approximately 19,000 end in infant death during the first month.
Approximately 39,000 end in infant death during the first year.
Approximately 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage; some estimates are as high as 1 in 3. If you include loss that occurs before a positive pregnancy test, some estimate that 40% of all conceptions result in loss.
Originally posted by thedigirati
James1982, I have a very very serious question for you...
Do YOU have a uterus?? If you do not have a uterus, your point is moot..
Let me ask you another serious question, have you or do you ever go over the speed limit??
if you have ever gone over the posted limit and say blow a tire you could kill folks, more folks then would be likely if you went the posted speed.
if you think either my first question or my analogy that follows is ridiculous, your "moral" high ground just dropped several meters.
Morally speaking, for me, male masturbation is killing MILLIONS of potential children ( except when I do it )
why the exception for myself? I am sterile, no sperm.
Oddly, there has never been a LAW against male masturbation.
No male has a dog in this fight, NONE, only women who can bear children can say one way or another, nor should males even be allowed to vote on it, only Women.
No one should be allowed to tell, let alone force someone else to do something with their bodies that they themselves cannot do.
this SHOULD be a LAW, but it's not.
You can express your opinion, but you should not be able to legislate for or against it.
Originally posted by TokiTheDestroyer
Posts own opinions on abortion and then several examples with the sole intent of invoking an emotional reaction.
Please, not this thread again.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
leave it to the woman to decide
now get on with your life
Originally posted by teapot
human life is devalued for it.
I see the pro-choice arguement as entirely hypocritcal in that it uses highly emotive language to deny the humanity of the life supported by the pregnancy. This neurolingual programming has negatively impacted modern society as it is an attack on maternity that far from freeing women from hardship service to the child, actually undermines and demotes motherhood to a function that exists outside of love.
Consider this; the natural maternal act is to protect and nurture whereas abortion seeks and destroys. Abortion is a very important part of the depopulation agenda and the pro choice movement is but a tool of the fat controllers who seek to enslave all humanity.
Originally posted by DrHammondStoat
Has the Op ever thought of having a vasectomy so he can be 100 percent sure of never being responsible for a possible 'abortion or not' scenario?
Some say women shouldn't abort but most men are happy to sleep with a woman and presume they have some kind of totally failsafe contraception. Until that problem is sorted out abortions will continue.
Also the op mentioned condoms, for some that is considered destroying life too.