Originally posted by randomtangentsrme
reply to post by James1982
You do not use as an example a baby to be born with severe birth defects. A situation I sadly have had to deal with recently.
1 through 4. Not going to happen under the current laws?
1 If the fetus (look it up) cannot survive by itself, is that life?
Who talks of feeding this to pets?
Who talks of stomping fetuses?
Who talks of using aborted fetuses for target practice?
Or fuel for bonfire?
Or as garbage to toss from a car _
You are trying to appeal to emotion without realising that these decisions do weigh heavy on the people involved.
The plain and simple is you give improbable situations, in which we all will shout NO, but do not allow the reality of this decision into your
People do not elect to abort lightly (sure there might be a few who do), but this is a decision made between a woman and her Doc.
From what I've seen and learned. It is a benefit to mankind and society to have the option available.
Although I'm open to proof to the contrary.
Babies with severe genetic defects and the like.... this again comes into the realm of still being morally wrong (to me) but overall the best choice
for everyone. It's a difficult choice, and that's why I've repeated several times I realize we live in the real world, and I support abortion, I
just want people to be honest about the whole thing and not take a light attitude when dealing with the subject. The simplistic "you can't tell
someone what to do with their body" is used over and over, when it's not really even relevant to the subject.
The acts I describe, as I have said several times already, were meant to show that a fetus is NOT just a lump of flesh. It's a being. If it wasn't a
being, there wouldn't be any emotional attachment or response to those things. If someone makes the choice to end the life of another being, that
needs to be forefront in the discussion, instead of totally covering up the issue and saying a fetus isn't a being until it's born. That's
I am not playing on emotion to guilt people into not supporting abortion. I have already said several times I support abortion myself.
The main point here is:
Most pro-abortionists say a fetus is NOT a being, an entity, until it is born.
If the fetus IS an entity, a being, the argument of "it's the woman's body" falls flat.
Therefore, if the acts describe invoke an emotional response, this proves that people DO believe a fetus IS an entity, it's own being, therefore the
argument "it's a woman's body" is a fallacy, as we all realize a fetus is NOT the woman's body, it's a being, its own entity.
THAT'S that basis for be describing those acts. I hope you can follow.
As far as your closing comments, I agree totally, which you can see in my OP, and in my subsequent replies I've said many times I support abortion,
for many reasons, one of which is the effect on society of forcing women to give birth to unwanted babies. You'll get no argument from me on that
I simply want people to be honest. I DO realize the choice to abort a fetus is a heavy choice for a woman, that shows that a fetus is NOT just a lump
of flesh, but its own entity.
There is a disconnect between the act and the mentality of the act. Supporters of abortion say that abortion is NOT killing, because the baby isn't
alive, it doesn't exists as an entity. If that was true, it wouldn't be an emotional choice, it would be a purely logical one.
Honesty.. it's all I ask for. Admit that you are killing the fetus, and are doing it because it's the best choice. Sometimes killing IS the best
choice. That's an uncomfortable view to hold and defend for some people, but it's not uncomfortable to me. But I don't hide from it, I embrace it,
and admit fully that it's morally wrong, a killing is taking place, but that's the best choice.
I have no intention of making anyone feel bad for having or supporting abortion, that's the point, you shouldn't feel bad, you should be honest. I
do however have the intention of getting people to be honest with themselves and others. If it makes someone sleep better at night to tell themselves
they aren't killing anything because it's not alive, and not a being, fine. I personally would sleep better at night knowing that I'm being totally
honest with myself and others, not deluding myself and hiding behind defenses of "it's my body" to evade the moral implications of ending the life
of another being.