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posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
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Just curious....If a "tip" rises to the level where folks appear at risk and the cops feel compelled to follow up...again teenagers flashing guns etc. ..

I would be curious to know how a teenager is identified? You know, without checking an ID.

That is the thing with the anonymous 'tip' thing. A lot of wasted man hours by law enforcement chasing down some old lady's idea that a crime is being committed. I made this point in my first post in this thread. What if everyone called about every little thing that they thought was a crime being committed? It is okay, if you can go back to the person and say, 'Look, you called in something frivolous, and we are going to charge you with false information.'
But anonymous tips are promoted today. Even when they are offering money rewards.


Nope...That "wasted man hours" bit has been a risk ever since 911 was implemented.

This hotline actually discourages false claims because the caller must identify themselves to police and the claim must be proven for the caller to collect a reward.




posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
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How many people knew about it, or knew the number?


Yes...and now gun-rights advocates/NRA lobbyists have publicized it...ponder that for a minute...



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
So instead of fighting crime, putting bad guys in jail, serving and protecting; the police are going to be going around checking gun registrations.


I am confused why you think those two things are exclusive to one another? Someone flashing a gun on the street? Should not a cop be able to ask what's up? Do you own that gun legally and have a permit to carry?

Forcing the arguments to the binary extremes...either legal gun owners will be harrased OR we can not ask folks to call when joe blow flashing his gun during an argument on the street corner....that isn't honest in my strong opinion.

It is a rhetorical position that uses hyperbole to manipulate otherwise rational, legal, gun owners into supporting a position that benifits the flow of crime guns and the revenue that provides to gun manufacturers.

It is rhetoric that actually defends the very criminals that legal gun owners claim they wish to defend themselves against.

The success of the NRA's BS is both ironic and sad in my opinion.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by macman
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If it was unknown, then how can people be outraged by stupid crap.

Just because the NRA found it and posted it, means they are doing their job.



Precisely...



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 12:20 PM
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The New Jersey one wasn't posted by the NRA however. The government posted it on their website, and spread the word about it through TV and the newspapers.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

I am confused why you think those two things are exclusive to one another? Someone flashing a gun on the street? Should not a cop be able to ask what's up? Do you own that gun legally and have a permit to carry?


And you accuse me of hyperbole.



Forcing the arguments to the binary extremes...either legal gun owners will be harrased OR we can not ask folks to call when joe blow flashing his gun during an argument on the street corner....that isn't honest in my strong opinion.


Hyperbole, again. It's a far cry from going to someone in the street versus in someone's home.

But you're playing strawman argument now.


It is a rhetorical position that uses hyperbole to manipulate otherwise rational, legal, gun owners into supporting a position that benifits the flow of crime guns and the revenue that provides to gun manufacturers.

It is rhetoric that actually defends the very criminals that legal gun owners claim they wish to defend themselves against.

The success of the NRA's BS is both ironic and sad in my opinion.


Bull pew. Your attempt to argue the point is coming off rather shrill and self-defeatist.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 12:33 PM
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Suprise Surprise!

Ok not really that some people will defend "rat out your neighbor".


If you see something say something to make a quick buck wonder who makes more that person who rats people out and someone ending up going to court, ending up in jail and the person who rats them out will end up paying more out of the whole deal..



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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This hotline actually discourages false claims because the caller must identify themselves to police and the claim must be proven for the caller to collect a reward.


So, if you give them the tip, then refuse to give them your name.....

How do they force you to give it?



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 01:25 PM
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How could the citizenry go about getting this program dropped?
I'm thinking here that since NYS has banned "hi-cap" magazines and that most if not all LEOs in the state carry guns with "hi-cap" magazines, perhaps an overwhelming public response to report every LEO to the hotline might have enough financial impact to discontinue the program. As for using 911 instead of the tip line - that's likely a criminal offense in the state of NY for filing a false police report. As to supplying a name in order to get the reward, well one could just use another LEOs name to make the report since there really wouldn't be any intention to obtain the reward, just to overload the system making it unfeasible to continue.... Just a thought.

ganjoa



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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Another reason to stay out of New York...

Unless you are Dog the Bounty Hunter and you want rewards for turning in gun owners.

OMG! The socialists have gone whacky now that the Feinstein Wives have met with a slap in the face in the senate.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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If you turn in a minority family in New York....will you be labeled a racist?


Florida firearm violence hits record low; concealed gun permits up

Read more: www.abc15.com...



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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Well, you're usually a bit more circumspect and deliberate about your replies too. At least, you normally don't reply without fully reading and looking over the material.

The Title is the article headline. It is what it is and blame the outlet it's quoted from. It's part of why I often use the headlines for titles, whether in BAN or not. I got a bit tired of people picking apart an otherwise decent thread because the slightest angle existed to be played on re: titles.


“This program has been in place for more than a year and is aimed only at getting illegal crime guns off the streets: a goal that every New Yorker can agree with,” wrote Janine Kava, director of public information at NYS DCJS.

Authorities did not respond to questions about how much reward money had been paid out through the program.
(From my OP quotes)

What part of fair and even handed was I missing here? I gave thought to it, but decided to run with my second half of allowable quote space for stories here to be the counter-point made by NYS officials when asked about it. As noted, I don't buy it...but I did use space I MUCH would have prefered using a different area of text in for the quote ....because I WAS trying to be as fair as I could in portraying this story.

(I still get dumped on.... I give up sometimes.
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Scenario? Fine... I live in NYS, my neighbor is a total jerk and I know he's got an old gun in a shoe box. In fact, I even know it's a gun NYS JUST RECENTLY declared within their new criteria for being outside their laws. So what the hell, right? I see one annoying neighbor bagged and booked for a gun he may have forgotten he even had ..and I get $500 in the bargain. NIce deal eh??

If you are aware of the operations of New York City police and particular the warrant units and/or Emergency Services Unit trucks, then you know the term "Gun Run". It refers to a search warrant service on nothing but the basis of a report of a firearm in a condition, location or circumstance it MAY not be legal in. They'll figure all that out for certain after the door is kicked down and the guys with the sub machine guns have cleared some poor bastards apartment.

That's nothing unusual or even remarkable for the NYPD. It's a regular, constant part of what they do in that city. Here? We'd be at city hall with pitch forks, torches and plenty of coils of rope if such nonsense were tried more than ONCE. Of course, we don't tolerate police tyranny here like it is in other areas of the nation either. Never have.

The problem with this law is that ANYONE can call on ANYONE for this. Many areas have tip lines, but how many decide to make a BIG new public relaunch of the program to insure everyone possible knows how easy the can score $500. All they have to do is inform on a friend or neighbor.

A snitch society is a society I really don't care to live in. I'm very happy, for now, I don't. New York is a place I feel for the people trapped inside. It's going to hell at warp speed.
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posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 02:14 PM
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just get prepaid phones (cricket etc or getropcs) and then go around giving them to homeless people and the tip line number (ny seems to hate them too) so that they can flood the system with fake calls about guns in parks near schools and other random places all over the state and waste so much of the polices time and effort that it becomes a failure of a program if they want us to turn on each other lets mess with their minds. i would imagine 20 dollars a fith of good booze and a decent meal given to each homeless person could tie up the line for a good long while...and hey on the off chance they try to crack down on the problem they then get seen publicly harassing the homeless more they they do all ready and i would assume some (but not all homeless dont wanan generalize)might not even mind getting sent to jail for a few hots and a cot so to speak.

gotta think out side of the box all their programs most likely cost money so if we can waste their money and time it might slow them down. And besides what are they gonna do round up all the homeless in new york state?
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posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 02:19 PM
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I would like to know the real statistics on the drugs purchased with the 500.00 reward. Like a snake who eats his own tail the wickedness never seems to end for the covert blood thirsty.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 02:19 PM
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Seems to me that the citizens of New York state will soon be living in much the same way as those of what used to be the U.S.S.R. (before Reagan and Gorbachev had their little chat), and it won't be long before the other states follow suit. It's sad to say, but there are many folk out there who would gladly rat out their neighbours for that $500, something the government is well aware of!
What will it be next? Where will it stop? Neighbours who have been friends for years will soon be peeking in each other's windows, and as in Nazi Germany, kids will be brainwashed to the point wherein they'll rat on their own parents. Big Brother is indeed watching us, has been, and will be for a very long time!



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 02:31 PM
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I wonder if CNN and MSNBC will be televising New York burning itself down?

Can't we all just get along??

Can I collect the reward via long distance phone call. You know, randomly picking names out of the phone book? Call in enough names, eventually the odds are you''ll hit jackpot. Probably better odds than lottery tickets.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 03:10 PM
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I would like to know the real statistics on the drugs purchased with the 500.00 reward. Like a snake who eats his own tail the wickedness never seems to end for the covert blood thirsty.


That's a great point! It wouldn't be so bad if this law targeted the gangbangers and drug dealers, but those of us who have some street smarts and common sense, pretty much know that for anyone living in these types of communities that it most certainly would be a quick death sentence to do so!

Plus, why aren't the Bloomberg gestapo in New York City do stop and frisk in the ghettos??? I would love to see that happening! But the gun grabbers show their ignorance on this one, because if Bloomberg sent the gestapo into the ghettos, the same gun grabbers would be on ATS screaming that it was racial profiling!!!

Now as the progressives come out and use terms like "Logic says" or "Logically", they also prove in their half cocked theories just how "illogical and mad" they really are!

They argument that well if you see someone pull a gun, you simply call 911 sounds good to someone asleep, it also show how flawed that argument is!!! Simply because if you know someone who has an illegal weapon, can't you just call 911 as well????

This will be nothing more than "Progressive" payback!!! Mark my word! Anyone with an NRA bumper sticker might as well plan on having their home SWAT teamed because some cry baby progressive called in their license plate!!

Will they feel bad when the homeowner thinks their home is being broke into and shoot a cop??? Nope! They will just ramp up their attack on the 2nd and the Constitution even more!



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Indigo5

I am confused why you think those two things are exclusive to one another? Someone flashing a gun on the street? Should not a cop be able to ask what's up? Do you own that gun legally and have a permit to carry?


And you accuse me of hyperbole.


Yes...Hyperbole...how often do you think gang members in large cities "flash" guns during disputes across this country? More often than they actually fire the weapons? How often?...vs. How often are law abiding citizens homes raided and thier legally owned guns confiscated?

You argument was pure...Hyperbole...

Forgive me for not responding to the rest of your post, but it appeared baiting vs. substance.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 03:22 PM
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I debated with myself as to whether to reply to you or not.
And as with all my debates on ATS, I lost!


Who in the hell is going to turn in gang-banger for a measly 500 bucks? C'mon! The gangs throw C notes around like Biden throws idiotic remarks!

You look at how a stupid law is "supposed" to be used.

The rest of the thinking population sees how it will be abused.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 03:28 PM
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I'm waiting for someone to call in an anonymous tip on Tony Soprano...

..then I want to know what the reward is for tipping off who the anonymous tipsters were.

BREAKING NEWS: ANONYMOUS TIPSTER SLEEPS WITH THE FISH!!
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