Bloomberg is A Waste Of Oxygen Now He Wants To Hide Cigarettes

reply to post by Petriclivicus


I think its fair, but it won't make people stop smoking.
Then again, I believe smokers who throw their cigarette buts on the ground should either be blixemed or shot on sight.

reply to post by Petriclivicus


This reminds me of the liquor laws in Utah.

Is Bloomberg a Mormon?

In Utah, they have a law that bartenders can't pour a drink in public. Usually, they'll go behind a wall or curtain. It's such a bizzare law to me.

Good luck Bloomberg, you're making yourself look like a moron, oops I mean Mormon.

reply to post by kykweer


Should all litterers be shot on sight or would that just be cigarette smokers?

Activists lobbied to remove ashtrays from cars!
Activists lobbied to throw smokers out of restaurants, bars and privately owned workplaces without allowing them any shelter from the elements
Activists lobby to remove ashtrays from the streets and anyplace where smokers may actually use them

So you take away our means of safely extinguishing cigarettes and then BLAME us for dropping the butts on the ground?????

So look at this picture and spot the cigarette butt!

www.google.ca...://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/4/7/1239120084122/Beach-litter-Brighton-Wor-006.jpg& imgrefurl=http://youthvoices.net/discussion/stop-littering-our-beaches&h=390&w=593&sz=95&tbnid=MNQb2vJE3ooGwM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=135&zoom=1&usg=__t9JDN_oWB 6mk4qqm_cf6PjG80FU=&docid=3f7bX3zRZAMfcM&sa=X&ei=S6FIUcGzF4nz2QX_8YHYBw&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAg&dur=507

Why are singling out smokers??/

Here is an example of a tobacco company being criticised for donating money to install street ashtrays.

www.ash.org.nz...

Whilst this might appear to be a good idea, there are some important considerations about who is funding this campaign, whose interests it really serves and whether installing ashtrays in the street is the right approach for councils to take.

I am a smoker. I am forced to step outside to smoke and I am denied any dignity or participation in society whatsoever. Often the only smoking area is in a back ally next to the garbage dumpster where I am isolated and alone and subject to street crime including rape!

www.freerepublic.com...

You know what -oh holier than thou!!!! I am a smoker! I will litter litter litter at will. I pay taxes on each and every butt I smoke and I pay for children's health care. YOU DON"T LIKE THE MESS? TOUGH! Use the taxes I pay to clean it up.

And stop littering yourself before you criticize me!

Tired of Control Freaks

I just love these "say-anything" to get your way activists.

They brag about how all the trouble they have put smokers through has decreased smoking rates.

UNTIL....

They need more money! Then all of a sudden, smoking rates are rising again!

www.npr.org...

notice the crafty little plea for MORE MONEY PLEASE at the end of the article.

Face it! No one has a clue!

You can't tell by cigarette sales any longer - there is too much black and grey market cigarettes out there.
You can't tell by surveys...who is going to admit that they still smoke to anyone who asks? Why would they?

So they actually have no idea!

I love the fact that smoking rates were going down all by themselves with no-one imposing controls in everyones private life. But then the WHO ratified the Tobacco Treaty and all of a sudden, people stopped dead trying to quit smoking.

www.amednews.com...

The 40-year decline in tobacco use in the United States has stalled," said CDC Director Thomas Frieden, MD, MPH. "Between 2005 and 2009, there was no further reduction in tobacco use."

With the way, nanny's like Bloomberg inserted themselves into everyone's life and into the fabric of society, they have glamorized smoking as the "it" fad once again!

Its a guarantee that within 5 years, there will be no self-respecting child in the "free" world who isn't a confirmed pack-a-day smoker by the age of 12!

Tired of Control Freaks

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by kykweer

 

Should all litterers be shot on sight or would that just be cigarette smokers?

Activists lobbied to remove ashtrays from cars!
Activists lobbied to throw smokers out of restaurants, bars and privately owned workplaces without allowing them any shelter from the elements
Activists lobby to remove ashtrays from the streets and anyplace where smokers may actually use them

So you take away our means of safely extinguishing cigarettes and then BLAME us for dropping the butts on the ground?????

So look at this picture and spot the cigarette butt!

www.google.ca...://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/4/7/1239120084122/Beach-litter-Brighton-Wor-006.jpg& imgrefurl=http://youthvoices.net/discussion/stop-littering-our-beaches&h=390&w=593&sz=95&tbnid=MNQb2vJE3ooGwM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=135&zoom=1&usg=__t9JDN_oWB 6mk4qqm_cf6PjG80FU=&docid=3f7bX3zRZAMfcM&sa=X&ei=S6FIUcGzF4nz2QX_8YHYBw&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAg&dur=507

Why are singling out smokers??/

Here is an example of a tobacco company being criticised for donating money to install street ashtrays.

www.ash.org.nz...

Whilst this might appear to be a good idea, there are some important considerations about who is funding this campaign, whose interests it really serves and whether installing ashtrays in the street is the right approach for councils to take.

I am a smoker. I am forced to step outside to smoke and I am denied any dignity or participation in society whatsoever. Often the only smoking area is in a back ally next to the garbage dumpster where I am isolated and alone and subject to street crime including rape!

www.freerepublic.com...

You know what -oh holier than thou!!!! I am a smoker! I will litter litter litter at will. I pay taxes on each and every butt I smoke and I pay for children's health care. YOU DON"T LIKE THE MESS? TOUGH! Use the taxes I pay to clean it up.

And stop littering yourself before you criticize me!

Tired of Control Freaks

Well this topic is about smokers, but I agree litterers should be reprimanded, in China there is ZERO TOLLERANCE on littering.

Your complete reaction seems hollier than thou to me. "Screw you guys, ill do whatever I want!"

For years people were smoking in the company of children and people who don't want smoke around them. Sure it is a case where a few spoilt it for everyone. And rules had to be put in place.

Sad thing is to me it seems alot like people like you are the reason for these rules and your reaction says it all reacting. "Screw you guys ill do what I want" "litter litter litter"

reply to post by kykweer


kykwear

Please! Out of all your wisdom, find me one example where being "polite" to a bully ever ever worked?

Smokers were asked not to smoke on planes with short flights - so we complied
Smokers were asked not to smoke in grocery stores - so we complied
Smokers were asked not to smoke in public buildings - so we complied
Smokers were asked to smoke in separate smoking rooms - so we complied
Smokers were asked not to smoke in private hospitality venues (whether the owner wanted it or not) - so we complied.

I am sorry but your idea of trying to demean my identity as a person by trying to portray me as selfish simply will no longer work!

There is a 40 year history of smokers trying to be polite and trying to get along. And where exactly did that get us?

We are now at the point where smokers are denied jobs and places to live. We are asked to refrain from smoking on 10 acre properties (for the supposed health of non-smokers).

Take it all and stick it where the sun don't shine baby.

It is anti-smokers (not non-smokers who are generally tolerant people) but anti-smokers who have pushed and pushed and bullied and insulted smokers to the point where the worm has turned.

It is anti-smokers who are the bullies. People who can't stand the thought that somebody might be enjoying themselves in a place where they don't have to go. Anti-smokers who can't stand the thought of somebody doing something they don't approve of.

There is absolutely no rational to explain why smokers must be punished for their disobedience to the point of denying shelter to the elements that a rational human being wouldn't deny a dog!

Tired of Control Freaks

Hiding things from people makes people crave those hidden things. Bloomberg is saving the tobacco industry with this one.

Smokers Unite!

We will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the streets. We will fight to own our own lives. To smoke in comfort in our own homes. To build shelter for old people and sick people and mentally ill people. To restore dignity to those who have been denied dignity and even the very basics required for human survival.

We will fight for the right to gather for the purposes of peaceful assembly with each other. Our own pubs and our own restaurants, movie theatres, hotels, casinos and resorts.

We will vote out politicians who do not represent us (like Bloomberg) who abuse their right to pass laws by passing laws that vote us "off the island"

There is a 400 year history of anti-smoking campaigners and the anti-smoker LOST every single time. In fact, if you look carefully you will find that anti-smokers stick their ugly heads up about every 70 or 80 years and within 10 years, they melt away into the puddle of intolerant puritan slime they really are!

Take a good look around. This current anti-smoking jihad started about 6-8 years ago. At that time -everyone was gung-ho. You could barely find anyone willing to publically comment that maybe vilifing smokers was not the right way to go.

Now? Almost everyone is getting very very nervous as they realize that smokers were only the first segment of society to be targeted.

Kykweer - you don't know it yet but the game is already over! Check mate in 3 more moves!

Tired of Control Freaks

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by SilentKillah

 

And do you react the same way when you see a NO-SMOKING sign or a anti-smoking advertisement?

www.wisegp.com...

Tired of Control Freaks

I can't see your link... blocked at the router. I'm not sure if I understand what you're asking, but if it's "Do I think about smoking if a see a sign about smoking", the answer would be yes. Those signs however don't give me the urge to run to a store and buy a pack. Realistically, I rarely even notice those signs though. I can't remember the last time that I saw one.

I'm not saying that tobacco products should be hidden... I'm just saying that if they were, it would be much easier for me to stop smoking.

reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks


Smoking in close quarters should be banned, I mean seriously, you moaning about the ban on smoking on planes?

Wow control freak much? Seems like you couldn't care less about anyone else. I mean its not like your listening to music on your cellphone. Its something that affects the health of others.

Originally posted by YouSir

Originally posted by SilentKillah
From my position... as a smoker who wants to quit, I can say that there are many times that I walk into 7 Eleven to get some water and wish that I hadn't seen tobacco products behind the counter. Had I not thought about them, I wouldn't have bought another pack in many instances.

Ummm........OR...get this...Had you not made the decision to ask for and purchase them...then you might just...not...have smoked them afterward...had you...not...purchased them..........see how that works? It's really not a difficult subject to comprehend.

YouSir

Well thanks for pointing out that I must be retarded because I have an addiction and certain triggers (looking at a wall of cigarettes while purchasing water) can cause sparks in my addictive behavior.

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
Smokers Unite!

We will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the streets. We will fight to own our own lives. To smoke in comfort in our own homes. To build shelter for old people and sick people and mentally ill people. To restore dignity to those who have been denied dignity and even the very basics required for human survival.

We will fight for the right to gather for the purposes of peaceful assembly with each other. Our own pubs and our own restaurants, movie theatres, hotels, casinos and resorts.

We will vote out politicians who do not represent us (like Bloomberg) who abuse their right to pass laws by passing laws that vote us "off the island"

There is a 400 year history of anti-smoking campaigners and the anti-smoker LOST every single time. In fact, if you look carefully you will find that anti-smokers stick their ugly heads up about every 70 or 80 years and within 10 years, they melt away into the puddle of intolerant puritan slime they really are!

Take a good look around. This current anti-smoking jihad started about 6-8 years ago. At that time -everyone was gung-ho. You could barely find anyone willing to publically comment that maybe vilifing smokers was not the right way to go.

Now? Almost everyone is getting very very nervous as they realize that smokers were only the first segment of society to be targeted.

Kykweer - you don't know it yet but the game is already over! Check mate in 3 more moves!

Tired of Control Freaks

Your trolling me aren't you.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by SilentKillah

 

So, because you can't control yourself or make the right decisions, we should all live under some nanny, dictator making our decisions for us?


No thank you, that's your problem not mine.

Look... why do you all have to bash me for sharing my experience? Is wishing that there wasn't a trigger in every possible corner store really that bad?

reply to post by SilentKillah


SilentKillah

You reply is very respectful - therefore, I shall be very respectful in return.

The facts here are very clear and very simple. You simply DON'T want to quit smoking

You have only to look at history here. More than 50 million North Americans quit smoking in the 1960s and 1970s. They did it at a time when there was no pharmaceutical help available in the form of patches or gums. Tobacco companies were still allowed to advertise their products on tv, in movies and sporting events. There was little in the way of anti-smoking campaigns of any kind. Smoking was allowed in grocery stores, in public buildings, in bars and restaurants AND YET....50 million people quit smoking. They did it at a time when smoking was allowed in business meetings, when smoking was such a strong method of socialing that it was almost required that smokers offer cigarettes to others. They did it quietly and with absolutely no difficulty at all.

You, on the other hand, can't resist the sight of a pack of cigarettes on display behind a counter.

What is happening here is called First Order Preference and Second Order Preference.

You say you want to quit smoking but you don't. That indicates that your first order preference is to continue smoking probably because you enjoy it. Quitting is your second order preference probably because you have been told over and over again that, quitting is what you SHOULD want.

The same psychological phenomena is displayed when fat people say they want to lose wieght. Of course they do! and there are lots of reasons why they should want that. BUT...their first order preference is to eat that cheeseburger that is right in front of them, right now.

The facts here are very clear. You are not such a pathetic individual, so lacking in will and the ability to control yourself, that you must beg the government to step in a help you. You do not need to be punished until you comply.

What you need is to recognize that you enjoy smoking and that, at this time, its your first order preference.

Then you need to sit down and talk to yourself. You need to identify WHY you wish to quit smoking. When you have written down all the reasons why you should quit (and the list may be quite long), you should then look at the reasons and determine if each reason comes from a source other than yourself. Are you wanting to quit because others say you should. Are you wanting to quit because others have punished you for smoking by imposing excessive taxes? Are you wanting to quit because you are trying to avoid the social pressure?

None of these reasons are good enough for you to shift quitting to a first order preference because it is a reason imposed on you by others.

If there is a reason why you want to quit...and it comes from within you....and you identify that reason and focus on making that reason your first order preference....then and only then...will you succeed in quitting smoking.

Think about it logically - why should you give up an activity you enjoy in order to please others? What incentive is there for you in doing that? You will get a "way to go" and then get nagged to lose weight or quit eating meat or some other such nonsense.

You will only actually quit when your reason for quitting is more important than the pleasure you get from smoking.

Tired of Control Freaks

reply to post by kykweer


No sweetie - I am absolutely dead serious and I invite my fellow smokers to speak up now and identify that they are also serious!

How did you go from discussing display bans to bashing smokers as dirty people who litter (as if no one else does)?

Are you sure you are not the troll here?

Tired of Control Freaks

Originally posted by DankKing420
He's just mad his soda war is becoming a nationwide joke....


Any reasonable person should know that kids dont start smoking cigarettes by seeing them in the store.

Ha I totally agree!

Everyone knows, kids start smoking from watching Eddie Van Halen smoke
while playing Eruption at a live show in 1983.

cigarettes have been hidden in shops in Ireland for a couple of years now.

it just about keeping them out of view of kids. outta sight outta mind.

what is the problem here? if you smoke you can still buy cigarettes.

there is not ONE redeeming feature of a cigarette.

within in the next couple of years you will see more and more countries bringing in laws that you will only be able to buy smokes if you were born on before a certain year. so for example if you were born on 2010 or later you will never be allowed buy smokes. this will mean they will eventually be eradicated completely and new generations will be saved from the cigarette.

the tobacco industry is evil and the sooner it is gone , the better.

Problem is its an atempt on free speech. So no matter how you feel about cigs its WRONG! Wana set an precedense?

Originally posted by Daedalus

Originally posted by SilentKillah
From my position... as a smoker who wants to quit, I can say that there are many times that I walk into 7 Eleven to get some water and wish that I hadn't seen tobacco products behind the counter. Had I not thought about them, I wouldn't have bought another pack in many instances.

so, because you're weak-willed, and have a self-control defect, it's a good idea to inconvenience others, and hurt businesses?

if you're trying to quit, then quit. do it, stick to it, and don't try to blame your fortitude deficiencies on anything other than what you see in the mirror.

Wow... an another hateful bash. Thank you all for the my flaws and alluding the fact that I have no self control.

I don't understand how having a curtain over something is an inconvenience. You still have to tell the person at the register what you want regardless of whether it's on a shelf behind them or in a drawer.

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by SilentKillah

 

SilentKillah

You reply is very respectful - therefore, I shall be very respectful in return.

The facts here are very clear and very simple. You simply DON'T want to quit smoking

You have only to look at history here. More than 50 million North Americans quit smoking in the 1960s and 1970s. They did it at a time when there was no pharmaceutical help available in the form of patches or gums. Tobacco companies were still allowed to advertise their products on tv, in movies and sporting events. There was little in the way of anti-smoking campaigns of any kind. Smoking was allowed in grocery stores, in public buildings, in bars and restaurants AND YET....50 million people quit smoking. They did it at a time when smoking was allowed in business meetings, when smoking was such a strong method of socialing that it was almost required that smokers offer cigarettes to others. They did it quietly and with absolutely no difficulty at all.

You, on the other hand, can't resist the sight of a pack of cigarettes on display behind a counter.

What is happening here is called First Order Preference and Second Order Preference.

You say you want to quit smoking but you don't. That indicates that your first order preference is to continue smoking probably because you enjoy it. Quitting is your second order preference probably because you have been told over and over again that, quitting is what you SHOULD want.

The same psychological phenomena is displayed when fat people say they want to lose wieght. Of course they do! and there are lots of reasons why they should want that. BUT...their first order preference is to eat that cheeseburger that is right in front of them, right now.

The facts here are very clear. You are not such a pathetic individual, so lacking in will and the ability to control yourself, that you must beg the government to step in a help you. You do not need to be punished until you comply.

What you need is to recognize that you enjoy smoking and that, at this time, its your first order preference.

Then you need to sit down and talk to yourself. You need to identify WHY you wish to quit smoking. When you have written down all the reasons why you should quit (and the list may be quite long), you should then look at the reasons and determine if each reason comes from a source other than yourself. Are you wanting to quit because others say you should. Are you wanting to quit because others have punished you for smoking by imposing excessive taxes? Are you wanting to quit because you are trying to avoid the social pressure?

None of these reasons are good enough for you to shift quitting to a first order preference because it is a reason imposed on you by others.

If there is a reason why you want to quit...and it comes from within you....and you identify that reason and focus on making that reason your first order preference....then and only then...will you succeed in quitting smoking.

Think about it logically - why should you give up an activity you enjoy in order to please others? What incentive is there for you in doing that? You will get a "way to go" and then get nagged to lose weight or quit eating meat or some other such nonsense.

You will only actually quit when your reason for quitting is more important than the pleasure you get from smoking.

Tired of Control Freaks

Point taken, but you're assuming that I am like everyone who has quit. I am not. Every person handle's things differently. Just as every person's trigger for smoking is different. I've heard many say that having a beer is a trigger for smoking. Beer doesn't affect me. Eating on the other hand does. Seeing a wall of cigarettes does. I'm sure there are others out there with similar triggers and possibly some with the exact triggers. However not everyone has the same triggers.

I find no pleasure in smoking... none whatsoever. It is purely addictive and something that I want to stop. Something that I'm attempting to stop and have been on and off for the past 2 years. I hate the smell. I hate the smell of my hands afterwards. I hate my kids seeing me smoke. I hate that I can't eat an Orange at work without feeling the urge to take an extra 10 minutes from my break to smoke. It's purely a nuisance to me.

I'm not saying I buy cigarettes every time I go in 7 Eleven, I resist half the time. I think that not seeing them would be better for me. That's my problem. I get it and I'm not saying that they should be hidden. I am rather thinking... what's the big deal?

If you work on an Air Force base, and go to the Shopette, you'll likely find that the cashiers keep the cigarettes in their drawer. Not due to this, but rather for easy access when someone asks for them. I've never heard anyone complain about seeing them.