Rules, rules, rules....

So many rules hindering life, liberty, and all that jazz.

This is just an idea that will spur more problems than it does good.

They could still reproduce without the permit.

The state should take eggs and sperm from everyone then sterilize everyone.

Then after a lengthy process of surveillance, testing, education, checking peoples employment, intelligence, prospects, the state would supply the couple with a test tube born embryo to carry to term.

Of course peoples positions in life may change so the state should also retain absolute abortion or conscription rights until the child is an adult.

All hail the glorious state!

Limiting children sounds all good in theory but how does this work in practice? Prude types have been trying to find new ways to regulate or just shame sexual behavior since time began and they realized they weren't as attractive as other people. (Okay..not all lord over others for that reason..but enough do for it to be notable. )

The devil is in the details though. People WILL have kids. Like it or not. Regulate or not. Permit it or not. This WILL happen.

China has discovered and proven this aspect of human nature to a fault. China also solved their problem about how to enforce and handle this. They simply murder the baby that adds 1 more than is allowed to a family. Perhaps not every one is shot or crushed under the wheels of a Government Car (see recent story on that little stunt) but the end is coming for a 2nd kid in Red China.

How would America handle permit violations? Fine them? Well...That's likely fining the people who can least afford to care for the child in the first place. Kinda self defeating there. The U.S. WILL NEVER tolerate seeing babies murdered, as happens in other nations. So..how would it have any hope to work when enforcement is required?

I find what you say interesting and too a certain degree I must say I agree with you.

I think there needs to be time taken too access a family prior too having a child, unfortunately I think some children are born with an unfair disadvantage in life. I dont just mean low income, because i dont think that should be a deciding factor.

The permit idea sounds just a little too much, and in time easily abused. NWO Depopulation people!


I have thought for a very long time now that charities that help children and mothers in 3rd world countries could do more too reduce the amount of children that are born, thus being able too spend more time on improving the lives of those already struggling.

You want them to regulate your children as well? Whats next? Killing retarded baby's? This is the exact type of control they want, they love eugenics. Google eugenics, its a sinister science. Time after time, its been proven that gene's cannot tell if your going to dumb or develop certain mental traits, it depends on the environment. Change the environment to a positive environment. Its the system's fault, they miss educate us and dumb us down, you really want to put that kind of power in their hands. If they had it their way they would probably choose the dumbest people to have reproduce.

Originally posted by danielsil18

If you ask criminals about their childhood most will say that they never knew their father or mother, parents didn't care about them, parents were addicted to drugs or alcohol, parents were abusive, etc. Only people with a strong character are able to succeed with a bad start in life.

This is not always true, as you have acknowledged. Even if it is true "most" of the time, it is a gross over-simplification.

Originally posted by danielsil18


Children suffer when parents are financially unstable because the family is in constant stress and problems. If they qualify they are given a permit and then they can have their baby. After that society can expect a baby with a potential to be successful in the future.

This smacks of elitism. Poverty is not the only predictive factor for criminal behavior. What you would propose would simply victimize people further for being poor. That is wrong, and socially irresponsible. Making a better life for your children is a huge motivator for many people. If you take away the reason to succeed and attempt to move up the social ladder, you will have an even worse problem with all of your "criminal poor". A huge portion of people born into dire circumstances would give up on trying to change it. Putting another road block in their way is cruel and short-sighted.

Besides there are many, many predatory criminals that are wealthy. They have simply had the luck to be born into a circumstance where they are given a social position, and a social education that allows them to prey upon others within the confines of the law, and social acceptance. They know how to work within the system, and paint their victimization with a coat of respectability. When they step outside of that confine too much they are often able to use their social status and wealth to smooth it over. There are indeed two sets of laws for the poor and the elite. Creating a circumstance where the elite chooses who breeds and who does not is inviting suffering of the worst kind.

Which brings me to my primary point. Human beings are hierarchical. The instinct will be to ensure the survival of your own, and so the people making the rules about who breeds and who does not will hedge bets in the favor of their own offspring, bloodlines, and even general social sphere. Eugenics is all well and good in theory, but in practice we are not able to acquire enough objectivity to be fair.

Besides, individual experience enriches the human tapestry as a whole. I come from a poverty plagued, abusive, alcoholic background, where the identity of my father was in question. I still think that I have something to contribute to society and to teach my children. In fact, I think that my accomplishments through adversity means that I have more to offer rather than less.