Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse
It's quite freely available. Coal production in the 80's resulted in mountains of the stuff lying about - there was massive over capacity in the industry with falling global prices, so we couldn't even export it, all the while the Unions kept pushing for higher and higher wages, whilst at the same time fighting tooth and nail any attempts to reform the industry.
Yes, the Government wanted to close pits, but it was to consolidate the industry into the most productive and profitable pits and close the ones that weren't productive. You have to remember that the Coal industry, like every other heavy industry, was state owned from the end of WW2 and was not run with profit in mind, but just to provide jobs. This was not sustainable and by the 1980's, something needed to give.
The chap who was given the role of sorting out the Coal industry was the same guy who turned British Steel from a total money sink into the most efficient steel producer going, but this did come at the expense of job losses. Either industry is there to make something and turn a profit, or it is there to provide jobs and be a money sink for taxpayer cash. Which would you prefer?
It's also a bit rude to simply say "I think you're wrong".. I've gone to the effort of typing more than one line for you, why not do the same?
EDIT: It is also worth pointing out that not all miners supported the action of the Unions and actually agreed with the Government, so much so they broke away from the NUM and formed their own Union. It was very much a case of a bad but necessary situation being made a whole lot worse by the actions of militant Unions, who quite often . ignored the wishes of their members.edit on 13/2/13 by stumason because: (no reason given)[./quote] im sorry for being rude,your right i was rude. I suppose it comes down to wealth for all or just for the few. Wecould have kept all the miners and still have cheaper energy bills today. They killed the unions and cut the top rate of tax. I remember social clubs,marching bands and majoretts, lord mayor parades, trips to the seeside payed by social clubs. All sacrificed so the rich can have more money. The culmination of all this?SLAVE LABOUR.
Originally posted by symptomoftheuniverse
Only thing we can do is never vote for a political party again as they are all corrupt. Represent the people my arse.
Originally posted by Soloprotocol
here's my experience of how industry changed for us indigenous workers...
The company i worked for (structural engineers) started taking advantage of eastern European workers very early on, Personally i worked night shift on a decent rate of pay with all the overtime you could handle and i mean the employer, (a farmer) would let you work 24 hours if you wanted..i could clear £800 per week if i could muster the strength...not easy when you work with steel day in day out..
He started employing Some northern Irish...(he was Irish himself) in management when the company started to grow, they in turn bought into the eastern European worker...payed £2 an hour less than us and any over time they did was paid at single time, no shift allowance etc....
It was ok for a while as there was only 4 or 5 of them then one of the Hungarians started to get his friends a job here and there, none of them as far as we could see were tradesmen, they had two weeks to prove themselves as welders or Platers, the locals got a afternoon...
Before the year was out i worked nightshift with 10 locals and 25 Hungarians and Poles, then the overtime was hit, any over time was given to Lazlo eventually we the locals were pulled off the nighthshift...
The management had bought up around 7 houses locally to house them, sometimes 10 to a house, some even slept in garages....You may find this hard to believe, but trust me this is the truth and i have heard similar stories from the construction sector...
I dont Blame anyone for trying to better their lives by moving to a country far away. that takes a bold move and good luck to anyone who does...that's not my gripe here.
The Hungarians and poles earned 5/6 times their annual salary here, they were buying up property back home,
one guy had, after 4 years here, bought 3 houses and was partners in a nightclub on less wages than me....Tell me a country in the EU i could move too to earn this sort of money and allow me the same privileges here...
At the end i couldn't work with them no more as they had no concept of health and safety and were always getting injured or injuring some other soul....eventually i was going between a 4 or 3 day week for what seemed like months and it was time to move on as i was struggling with rent and such.
Last i heard they had over 120 eastern Europeans working both onsite and at the factory or at the farms
That's my experience of how things have changed for us indigenous workers, just thought i would share..
Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by ObservingYou
Common sense and moral victory.