The Vanity of Enlightenment

reply to post by guanyu

Individuation. I would argue it is the only Way possible.

It's certainly reasonable to think that experiencing individuality helps to promote understanding of how every piece is essential to the health of the whole. The more ways you look at it, the more you understand the essential nature.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Who does the crooked lens trust to define what is the "correct" way to see?

Who defined crooked in the first place? Where does un-crooked start? Why?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by dominicus

 

I'm sure there are plenty "butthurts" on this thread, seeing how long it's gone. Bit are you one of them? I don't know., because I don't know you personally to get a better idea of what your about.

I'm pretty sure LesMisanthrope is fairly pleased with the thread, considering the lengths to which the users have gone to disprove her/him have only served to provide examples of how s/he is right.

Yeah ...that's the whole purpose. That's why it's soooo funny that it's gone so long, providing the fuel for its own fire.

I said early on that there are some cases of Vanity, but that isn't Enlightenment. Maybe a glimpse, or kundalini, or third eye open, or a stage along the way that is mistaken as ENLIGHTENMENT

Hilarious thread!!! Love IT

reply to post by dominicus

One can only infer that you are able to discern which experiences are worthwhile to each within the variety of individuals you find in front of you.

reply to post by ErgoTheConclusion

Who does the crooked lens trust to define what is the "correct" way to see?

No one. If it sees clearly, then the rest is interpretation.

Who defined crooked in the first place? Where does un-crooked start? Why?

Why don't you tell us?

reply to post by dominicus

Hilarious thread!!! Love IT

There's lots more where that came from, dominicus. Stay tuned.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity

Who does the crooked lens trust to define what is the "correct" way to see?

No one. If it sees clearly, then the rest is interpretation.

How does it ever know if it sees clearly? What is it comparing against that is "not clear"?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity

Who defined crooked in the first place? Where does un-crooked start? Why?

Why don't you tell us?

How on earth can I answer a question I don't have the answer to? You're the one who seems to know how to correct yourself. So teach me how you know when you have been corrected.

reply to post by ErgoTheConclusion

How does it ever know if it sees clearly? What is it comparing against that is "not clear"?

How do you ever know?

How on earth can I answer a question I don't have the answer to? You're the one who seems to know how to correct yourself. So teach me how you know when you have been corrected.

Usually, because I'm the one who has done the correcting. And usually because I know the results I want. If the results aren't satisfactory, I correct myself again.

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by dominicus

 

Hilarious thread!!! Love IT

There's lots more where that came from, dominicus. Stay tuned.

Yes, tell us more about Nietszche. Hilarity abounds.

reply to post by InTheLight

Yes, tell us more about Nietszche. Hilarity abounds.

Why should I when they've already made up their minds about him without reading him? I guess we're all too often swayed by the conclusions of others that we really have no need to reach them on our own accord.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


Please don't lump me in with the rest of 'em... -.-'''

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Do you ever slip into the past?

Have you ever known a time when you are not present? Can you ever say 'it is not now'?

These are not difficult questions - they can be answered with a yes or a no.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Have you ever known a time when you are not present? Can you ever say 'it is not now'?

No. Rear view driving is dangerous and counter-productive. It's great to remember where you've been, but it's important to always keep an eye on the future. And that means the past is past. No use bothering with it anymore because you can't do anything about it.

So what's your point?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


So you are ever present. Past and future are just ideas arising presently.

It is all about finding what point you are at.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

So you are ever present. Past and future are just ideas arising presently.

I think that's the case with everyone, unless you know someone who can travel through time...

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

So you are ever present. Past and future are just ideas arising presently.

I think that's the case with everyone, unless you know someone who can travel through time...

You are ever present and aware of thoughts arising presently.
Nothing can arise outside of presence.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

You are ever present and aware of thoughts arising presently.
Nothing can arise outside of presence.

A lot is happening without my ever being present or aware of it...all over the world, every day, without fail, billions of things happen without my knowledge or presence.

So I don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

You are ever present and aware of thoughts arising presently.
Nothing can arise outside of presence.

A lot is happening without my ever being present or aware of it...all over the world, every day, without fail, billions of things happen without my knowledge or presence.

So I don't know what you're talking about.

What is happening is happening. It is happening presently only. Even if you have an image in mind of another place, it is appearing in mind presently, and if the place exists it too is in the present.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

What is happening is happening. It is happening presently only. Even if you have an image in mind of another place, it is appearing in mind presently, and if the place exists it too is in the present.

Well, yeah...otherwise, I'd be a little worried.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

What is happening is happening. It is happening presently only. Even if you have an image in mind of another place, it is appearing in mind presently, and if the place exists it too is in the present.

Well, yeah...otherwise, I'd be a little worried.

The happening is happening and it is being known - always presently.

Ever present awareness is what you are - constant and stable. The scene that is appearing presently is ever changing. The thoughts move and change, sensations move and change, hands move on watches - they are all just part of the ever changing scenery.
Find that which never changes and life will be lighter.