reply to post by LesMisanthrope
Who is enlightened? Only he who declares himself so. There is no supreme judge who bestows such an honor. There is no voting process through which we
can rationally choose and appoint an enlightened individual. Enlightenment is always self-declared, and the enlightened ones are always
self-proclaimed. What is the reason behind this proclamation? Why does one have the desire to label himself enlightened?
Vanity is not always associated with Enlightenment. Someone asked Jesus if he was, who everyone said he was, and he said Yes. Buddha refrained from
teaching Enlightenment, because he realized it was ineffable. Only a little later did he comprehend it was worth pointing to it, than remaining quiet.
The are Universalities in Enlightenment. It's a state where there is no longer any you to be found, and the whole ego mechanism, is seen as illusion
and not you, therefore it Atrophies and dies. There is Grace associated with it and a numerous other factors. Someone who is Enlightened is Loving,
selfless, in control, peaceful, calm, still, Wise, settled, transcendent, among other things.
The word itself has been raped to shreds. Somebody has a minor experience along the way, such as illumination or third eye open, and they think,
"that's it", I am now enlightened, but sadly they are wrong.
At the end, the claim has to be made so others can know that it exists and to head there and see for themselves.
Could it be that the self-proclaimed enlightened one only wishes to be quantified and referred to as enlightened?
again it's all miscalculated. If you look at the esoteric core of all the major branch religions, you will find universal aspects of Enlightenment ,
Union w/ God, Merge with the Supreme, etc.
For example, I know guy who claimed enlightenment, and sat and talked with him. It was so. Just being in his presence, the Light of my Awareness began
to shine bright, insights and realizations began to take place. HE could deconstruct me with a few mere words, "You are not who you think you
This stuff is real. Sure there are vain attempts to claim enlightenment. But just as much, if not more, there are genuine people who have in them,
have the Enlightened state revealed.
What is the desired goal of attempting to appear enlightened?
Personally, for me, I could give a rats arse about appearances and who thinks what. Number 1 thing in my life for the past 10 years, is to find the
Absolute Truth, the Absolute State, to be at peace in a world I have always found to be like an alien artificial landscape to me, where everything is
upside down, filled with wars, hatred, murder, disease, death.
I have always refused to follow anyone, any crowd, group, faction, the hive mind, etc. I found my solace in Saints, Monks, Hermits, & Mystics and by
going within myself, I have found the same things to be true that they have written about over the last couple thousand years.
- one needs the confirmation of others to justify his way of life and spiritual path. If others agree he is enlightened, he feels better about the
choices he has made. - one seeks power or a feeling of self-gratification from being known as enlightened. - one desires followers.
Another desire is Love and compassion of others, to share with them what One has found for the sake of distinguishing their suffering and illusion.
All of these answers point to personal vanity as the insidious desire behind declarations of enlightenment. Could there be other reasons?
YEs, as stated in my response, there is quite a number of selfless reasons these things are discussed and stated. Some of the ecstatic states I have
been through, on my path of Loving God, following Jesus/Buddhist teachings, have been so intense and fulfilling, I have found nothing in this world to
come close to these states.
That's saying something because I have done just about everything this world has to offer. Plenty of gorgeous women, 6 figure bank accounts, worldly
success, have hung out with famous folks, traveled and seen large portions of the world, house, cars, clothes, gadgets .....all of it empty when
compared to the things that have to do with the fruits along the Spiritual path.