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Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Paganism is the Mystery School. This IS the partial mystery mentioned by Enoch. The Bible is the thread of truth revealing this mystery. Yes, the symbols must be the same.
How is the bible not the enemy of Christ if it teaches the Pagan Mysteries? You're running yourself in circles.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
I'm using your own pretext though! Your original pretext was that if Paul were the enemy of Christ he would have taught the pagan mysteries. When I pointed out that these pagan mysteries were all throughout the bible, you claimed that these mysteries were essential to it.
Again, if pagan mysteries are bad, then how is the bible teaching them good? You're using doublethink again...
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
I'm using your own pretext though! Your original pretext was that if Paul were the enemy of Christ he would have taught the pagan mysteries. When I pointed out that these pagan mysteries were all throughout the bible, you claimed that these mysteries were essential to it. How does this make sense? You are the one twisting meanings to fit your pretext, not me.
Again, if pagan mysteries are bad, then how is the bible teaching them good? You're using doublethink again...edit on 17-2-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
I'm using your own pretext though! Your original pretext was that if Paul were the enemy of Christ he would have taught the pagan mysteries. When I pointed out that these pagan mysteries were all throughout the bible, you claimed that these mysteries were essential to it. How does this make sense? You are the one twisting meanings to fit your pretext, not me.
Again, if pagan mysteries are bad, then how is the bible teaching them good? You're using doublethink again...edit on 17-2-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Tell me, if the biggest religion in the world doesn't teach this "worthless mystery" then why are we suffering the same effects as a place that did? We have no peace just like a world with the "worthless mystery" would. The evil has grown over the centuries, just as a world who is taught the "worthless mystery"?
Are you really this blind to it?
So basically Paul is good because he doesn't teach pagan mysteries, but when the same logic is applied to the bible as a whole, your position switches, saying these bad teachings that Paul didn't teach are essential to reveal the good in the bible. How do bad teachings reveal good things?
As I said, you're running yourself in circles without even realizing it.
I'll ask a simple question: are the pagan mysteries good or bad?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
You believe the counterfeit version, the pagan version. Why does the bible contain so many pagan themes if it's not the pagan version? If you think the pagan version is the wrong version then why do you think a book rife with pagan themes is the real one?
Enoch was talking about Earth when he was talking about the worthless mystery, otherwise he wouldn't have named it specifically.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
So you think that "no peace" has yet to start? What do you call the countless wars throughout history? Do you call that peace?
If the Catholic Church is this worthless mystery, then why would they incorporate Paul's letters (to the tee) into the bible? If they were trying to spread the worthless mystery, then why do they follow Paul's teachings so closely? Please tell me you get it, I'm getting tired of having to repeat myself, especially on something as simple as this.edit on 17-2-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
If pagan mysteries are bad, then how is the bible teaching them a good thing?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
So you think that "no peace" has yet to start? What do you call the countless wars throughout history? Do you call that peace?
If the Catholic Church is this worthless mystery, then why would they incorporate Paul's letters (to the tee) into the bible? If they were trying to spread the worthless mystery, then why do they follow Paul's teachings so closely? Please tell me you get it, I'm getting tired of having to repeat myself, especially on something as simple as this.edit on 17-2-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
What part of Catholicisms doctrine do you believe is the worthless mystery? Specifics please.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
You ignored the rest of my questions.... again.
If Catholicism is the worthless mystery, and since Catholicism adheres to Paul's words to the tee, then how is Paul not part of this worthless mystery?
What part of Catholicism is "worthless"?
You are the one dancing around what I am saying, hence you avoiding the questions. I know what you are saying, but I disagree for the simple fact that you are contradicting yourself.