Could This Be the End of Obama? Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ to Speak in a Conference of All the Justices of

reply to post by WaterBottle


Well, I'm sorry but that one minute on TBS says nothing about him but that he is associated with Harvard. It says nothing about his connections with Bill Ayers the domestic terrorist who got off on a technicality, or his relationship with his Marxist card carrying Communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis, or his Communist grandparents who attended the Little Red Church, or his mother's fascination with Marxism and radical activism, or his mother's and grandparents association with the Ford foundation and with the family of Timothy Geithner. It says nothing about his background as a community organizer. All this stuff came out when Jerome Corsi wrote his book, "Obamanation". Other than that, no he was a Senator who had suddenly burst upon the scene. And subsequently, his handlers and the press did everything they could to hide, obfuscate, and defuse everything that was being exposed.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by RoScoLaz
hopefully, if she is convinced she has a case, she will be given the fair chance to present it.

She will not even be there.... what makes you think she will be present?

What makes you think she won't?

Because she isn't special person who gets her own special treatment? Well it's been well established that she is "special" in a whole different way.

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so, then how do you explain the treatment Joe Arpaio and his investigators received....

What "treatment" are you referring to?

Being called out for wasting taxpayers money on junkets to Hawai'i that could not possibly yield any results that would benefit Maricopa County in any way (Joe isn't dumb, he knows that Hawai'i wasn't going to give him access to vital statistics records, any more than the State of Arizona would).

Or maybe you mean being called out on Zullo's lies and wholesale fabrication of 'evidence'? How stupid do you have to be to claim a coding scheme is wrong, tell everyone that you have the original coding book when you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do not. And then to show photocopies of the page from that coding book that prove to the world that you are lying because not only do other people have copies of that coding book too, they actually have copies of the real coding book and show that the codes used on the Birth Certificate are perfectly correct.

Or perhaps you mean being called out on calling the project an 'Investigation' when all it was was a way to reuse Corsi's WND articles? There was no investigation and no investigators. There was just an cut and paste editing job performed by con-men.

I explain it by saying they got much less than they deserved. WHen it comes to these people, in the derision stakes, more is never enough.

he's no paypal dentist!

No he isn't. But his so-called investigators most definitely are. How many Police Departments do you know of that publish books about their investigation and give press conferences to publicize those books instead of turning their evidence over to a Prosecutor and putting the case in front of a Judge?

No, Joe isn't in it for money, except that he is. He is(was) a politician running for reelection in a county with a lot of voters that were turning against him and several ongoing investigations into his department's behavior. He needed a distraction in the worst way. This thing gave him nationwide publicity (no publicity is bad publicity) just at the time he was hiring fund raisers for his re-election. Perhaps you didn't hear that he raised more money than any county level candidate in the country. You are right though, that money didn't come via PayPal, it came via checks.

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You probably believe Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's father too, right?

Other than that, no he was a Senator who had suddenly burst upon the scene

Not the case at all.......

But I really don't care enough to argue with a birther anymore.

reply to post by Bilk22

Originally posted by Bilk22
The questions arose when there was little information to be found about this president other than he was schooled as a youth in Indonesia and the fact that his father was not a US citizen.

This is simply not true. There was as much if not more information about Obama than any president. Especially with the Internet, each and every citizen had access to that information. Before he was elected, his birth certificate was posted online. We knew about his youth, the hospital where he was born, where he went to school, his parents' family tree, his thoughts in college, how he met Michelle and MANY things about his youth, including his drug use... We have more information about Obama and more access to it than we do ANY other president.

How you can tell yourself the above? It just illustrates "birther blindness".

Pretty much any other person that's held the post since the requirement of citizenship was instituted had a know history and verifiable background.

Originally posted by WaterBottle
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This is a pretty disingenuous post. The questions arose when there was little information to be found about this president other than he was schooled as a youth in Indonesia and the fact that his father was not a US citizen.

Obamas past isn't a mystery. The only people that think that are gullibles too lazy to do their own research. The guy has been in some sort of the public eye for decades.

Obama on TV 20 years ago...... when he was still at Harvard....OoOo how mysterious.

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Obama perpetuated this. Why did he spend untold millions of US tax payer dollars fighting this instead of just allowing Hawaii to release his birth certificate? Why did it have to take the course it did? His actions of trying to block access to his records fueled the controversy.

Originally posted by Bilk22
Obama perpetuated this. Why did he spend untold millions of US tax payer dollars fighting this instead of just allowing Hawaii to release his birth certificate? Why did it have to take the course it did? His actions of trying to block access to his records fueled the controversy.

I'm imitating another user here but:
Why have you blocked your birthcertificate? And your school records. Why is tax payer money being used to keep your dirty secrets? What are you hiding?

reply to post by Bilk22

Originally posted by Bilk22
Why did he spend untold millions of US tax payer dollars fighting this instead of just allowing Hawaii to release his birth certificate?

"untold millions" is right. That is a birther lie. Obama does not have the power to order a state to release the property of that state. He's not a king or a dictator.

His actions of trying to block access to his records fueled the controversy.

He didn't block access to his records any more than YOU have.

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Gawd...the same damn tired old lie...millions of dollars to hide this.

I asked in a thread for proof...show it....puhlease show it. It is the most common lie that birthers love to say without any damn evidence to back it up.


SHOW IT..or just stop spreading these lies.

BIRTHERS = lies and nothing more.

Every lie that the birthers spread must be called on them...ATS is motto states this...DENY IGNORANCE.


Why are these birther threads never placed in the hoax bin...everything they state are pure lies.


WHY MODS ARE THE BIRTHER THREADS ALLOWED TO BE...WHEN THEY JUST STATE LIES OVER AND OVER?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Originally posted by Bilk22
Why did he spend untold millions of US tax payer dollars fighting this instead of just allowing Hawaii to release his birth certificate?

"untold millions" is right. That is a birther lie. Obama does not have the power to order a state to release the property of that state. He's not a king or a dictator.

His actions of trying to block access to his records fueled the controversy.

He didn't block access to his records any more than YOU have.

Actually, I believe an individual CAN allow their birth certificate to be viewed by someone other than themself, but only by very specific and explicit written consent. As far as I know, that is the ONLY way it would be allowed.

But you're absolutely correct in that he did not block anything. Birthers point at the $1.7 million spent by his campaign on legal representation, from 2007 through 2011 and scream "it was all to hide his records!" But what they fail to realize is that this figure of $1.7 million was for all legal matters related to the Obama campaign in those years. This figure can be seen in the public records of the campaign finances, viewable by all.

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How is it birthers can claim to have done research and then repeat the same tired, old lies over and over? It really demonstrates that they are not after the truth and instead just hate Obama.

Notice how quiet the thread gets when asked to produce evidence..

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Notice how quiet the thread gets when asked to produce evidence..

Provide proof that money was spent on other legal matters aside from him fighting in court the concealing of his birth records.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Originally posted by Bilk22
Why did he spend untold millions of US tax payer dollars fighting this instead of just allowing Hawaii to release his birth certificate?

"untold millions" is right. That is a birther lie. Obama does not have the power to order a state to release the property of that state. He's not a king or a dictator.

His actions of trying to block access to his records fueled the controversy.

He didn't block access to his records any more than YOU have.

All he had to do was sign an affidavit releasing his birth certificate to the media.

reply to post by Bilk22


He already posted it on the Internet and allowed the media to examine it.An affidavit is a testimony, not a release form. He released it. It's there. What more can he do?

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Sell ticket's to Orly's performance..

25 bucks a pop, would go a long way to paying for Obamacare, and give everyone what's so desperately needed in this country, a really good collective laugh..

Originally posted by Bilk22

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Notice how quiet the thread gets when asked to produce evidence..

Provide proof that money was spent on other legal matters aside from him fighting in court the concealing of his birth records.

That's not how it works and you know it...you people are making the claim and it is your job to back it up with proof.

anyways...

Donald Trump claims Obama has spent $2 million in legal fees defending lawsuits about his birth certificate

It's clear to us that the WND story has been twisted to wrongly assume that every dollar the Obama campaign spent on legal fees went to fight the release of Obama's birth certificate. The evidence shows that's simply not true. It's a huge, unsubstantiated leap to assume that all, or most, of that was related to lawsuits about Obama's citizenship. We rule Trump's claim False

The Debunker’s Guide to Obama Conspiracy Theories

None of the eligibility lawsuits could have been settled with the release of documents. They were dealt with in the most cost-effective way, a motion to dismiss. No records have been sealed as a result of any of these lawsuits. The legal fees spent by Obama defending frivolous lawsuits is not the hugely inflated number rumored on the Internet, nor are there any indication of large expenses on the part of the government.

There was actual research done by people..unlike the birthers..who read something on the internet and do no research and take it as gospel...idiots...the whole birther crowd.... Show us the millions...show us how every dime was used for this.

Originally posted by Bilk22

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Notice how quiet the thread gets when asked to produce evidence..

Provide proof that money was spent on other legal matters aside from him fighting in court the concealing of his birth records.

Really? This is what you think debating is? Make a claim without any evidence. When asked for proof or evidence of said claim, reply without any evidence again and instead ask for evidence your claim is wrong. Debate doesn't work that way.

PolitiFact< br />

So that leaves the funds paid to Perkins Coie. Trump's and Palin's claims assume that the vast majority of the money paid to Perkins Coie since the election was used to defend against lawsuits challenging Obama's citizenship. We agree that some amount of money was spent in legal fees related to those lawsuits -- the letter from Bauer to the plaintiff is an example of that. But, while we don't know exactly how much the Obama camp spent on their private lawyers, there were many, many non-birth-certificate duties that a law firm typically handles in the wake of a presidential campaign, which suggests that any birth certificate work was a small percentage of the overall fees paid to Perkins Coie.

Please read the whole page.

Originally posted by Bilk22

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Notice how quiet the thread gets when asked to produce evidence..

Provide proof that money was spent on other legal matters aside from him fighting in court the concealing of his birth records.

Campaign finance records show how much the campaign spent on all legal matters related to the campaign. This is public record. If you think it was all spent on "concealing his birth records" (nevermind the fact that they are private by default), it is YOUR responsibility to show proof that this is the case. While you're at it, explain the $2+ million that the McCain campaign spent on legal representation during the same time period.