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I am so tired of John 14:6 is the absolute most overused, out of context, and misunderstood verse in the whole bible. It is the one verse that separates Christianity from Christ, although it should be the one verse that brings all men to him.
First you need to understand he was not talking to you he was talking to his disciples; they knew he was the son of God.
And His answer was :
“Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?”
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
He was telling his disciples that no man comes to the father apart from Christ.
The father and son are one. Anyone who knows the father knows the son. How can we know if someone has found the father?
7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also.[d] From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
Anyone who loves his brother knows God.
Buddha and Gandhi were men who taught that all men should love one another. If the only place that one can receive this message is Christ than you can be sure that in their pursuit of the father they have also found Christ. If they had not found Christ they could not be spreading a word of love that so closely mirrors the words of Christ.
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b.] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
I have not come to bring a new interpretation, but rather to clarify what the bible clearly says.
Since Jesus is the author of all creation thus making him the author of the Bible,
we know that righteousness can be found both in and apart from scripture.
I am providing you with a message about Christ that truly supports the message of one God and one way to him. I realize that some of what I say is radically different than what you have heard.
You simply cannot Google many of the things I say, proving that these concepts are truly new to us.
I say new to us because I think this is the message that caused the crusades.
Men like me who were given the ability to see that no religion could be the right religion. Religion separates us from the truth, that there is one God and we are all his children. The bible says walk away from anyone who does not want to accept this truth.
The bible says all men will be fooled even the elect if that was possible. The message of original sin that you are somehow bound to and therefore unable to overcome, do you really believe that is what the loving Jesus died for? Doesn't this sound more like Satan? He is the one who tempts us so it is only fitting for him to make us believe that we are powerless to resist him.
In Genesis 4:7 God tells Cain that he must overcome sin and master it.Multiple times after Jesus heals someone he tells them to go away and SIN NO MORE. Is Jesus setting them up for failure, according to Christian Dogma it is impossible for Cain to overcome sin and master it and impossible for anyone to go away and sin no more.
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
I am here to bring the message that leads to repentance and allows you to overcome and defeat sin just as we are instructed to do. You reject my message, why?
Originally posted by Seed76
Since Jesus is the author of all creation thus making him the author of the Bible,
Man inspired by God wrote the Bible. Jesus is the author of life.
we know that righteousness can be found both in and apart from scripture.
His words are found in scripture and not out of the scripture.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" ~ John 1:1
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by sacgamer25
I am here to bring the message that leads to repentance and allows you to overcome and defeat sin just as we are instructed to do. You reject my message, why?
You're right about needing to preach the message that leads to repentance, but if you're not asking for repentance from the one true God, it's not going to get you very far. Asking for repentance from men or other Buddhists isn't going to clear you with God.
99.9% of us need scripture. The bible doesn't mention too many men that were righteous apart from scripture. I imagine there are not too many men that are righteous apart from scripture. Even Gandhi read and studied the bible, he even loves the message of Christ. But like me he did not believe that Christianity the religion represented any of the messages of Christ. Thus he rejected Christ as his savior not based on the bible but based on religion.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by ChesterJohn
The version of the bible does not matter, and I will not debate that today. This conversation leads only to separation and the creation of religion, neither of which I want to be a part of.
Originally posted by Murgatroid
Jesus is the Word by which ALL things were created...
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John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...
Originally posted by arpgme
Jesus is NOT the Word, and neither is "The Word". The Word is FIRST, than became God which is why John 1 mentions the WORD in the beginning THEN God...
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
It talks about the nature of God and then later on says...
John 1
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...
There was The Word, then God, then The Flesh that the word dwells in (Jesus)...
...in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. ~ Heb. 1:2
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. ~ 1 Corinthians 8:6
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ ~ Ephesians 3:9
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. ~ Colossians 1:16-17
Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed ~ Proverbs 13:13
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
I imagine that in our time he is the one man other than maybe MLK that has had a major influence on the image of world peace. Oh I count the whole 60s movement also. I'm sure there are more but those are the two men that stick out most in my mind.
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
But like me he did not believe that Christianity the religion represented any of the messages of Christ.
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Ezekiel 18:20 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
Genesis 4:6 6 Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
John 8:11 "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
John 8:34, 36 Whosoever 34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
I John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
Concepts I don't agree with.
Believe Jesus is the son of God who came in the flesh, do nothing and your saved.
Contradicted here
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
You actually have to believe the words he said and you do this by putting them into practice. Faith without deeds is no faith at all
Romans 10:2-4
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
Original sin.
This concept simply does not exist and contradicted here.
Ezekiel 18:20 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
Mark 2:17
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
Luke 5:31-32
Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
Inability to fully defeat sin until after physical death.
Contradicted in the passages below.
Genesis 4:6 6 Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
John 8:11 "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
John 8:34, 36 Whosoever 34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
I John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
There are others but these are some fundamental problems, where the church teaches a message that directly contradicts versus in the bible and leaves you with the need for some sort of special interpretation that becomes more confusing than clarifying.
Originally posted by Joecroft
reply to post by sacgamer25
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
Concepts I don't agree with.
Believe Jesus is the son of God who came in the flesh, do nothing and your saved.
Contradicted here
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
You actually have to believe the words he said and you do this by putting them into practice. Faith without deeds is no faith at all
Doesn’t Paul, kind of cancel that out, with the verse below…
Romans 10:2-4
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Btw- I’m not saying I completely accept this, just curious as to how you see it. Because I never quote Paul, as I usually only stick with Jesus words.
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
I would say Paul is talking about the Jews here, the Pharisees and Sadducees. They were attempting to obtain righteousness on merit, they ranked themselves against themselves. You see they became their own level of righteousness and thus became their own God's. Collectively that is.
Roman 10:9-10
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
Concepts I don't agree with.
Believe Jesus is the son of God who came in the flesh, do nothing and your saved.
Contradicted here
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
You actually have to believe the words he said and you do this by putting them into practice. Faith without deeds is no faith at all
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
6 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
Acts 8:18-23 18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
20 Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23 For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”
1 Timothy 6:3- 10 3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
Concepts I don't agree with.
Believe Jesus is the son of God who came in the flesh, do nothing and your saved.
Contradicted here
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
You actually have to believe the words he said and you do this by putting them into practice. Faith without deeds is no faith at all
Romans 10:2-10
2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.
3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.
4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
5 Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: “The man who does these things will live by them.”
6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down)
7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:
9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Romans 10:11-15
11 As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
What John actually said was if you believe what I am saying you will do what I am doing.
Originally posted by Sacgamer25
Concepts I don't agree with.
Believe Jesus is the son of God who came in the flesh, do nothing and your saved.
You actually have to believe the words he said and you do this by putting them into practice. Faith without deeds is no faith at all
John 14:21
Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them."
John :15:10
If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.
Matthew 5:17-20
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.