Originally posted by ChiForce
Well, I want to say that in ATS we are not short of posts about "I am enlightened. I can answer all of your questions." This thread won't be the
first or the last.
According to Zen, one shouldn't even talk about and to give form to the Void, the One Mind, the Emptiness of All. By doing so, one is giving
form to the void, the one mind, the one consciousness. All the talks about what is or isn't enlightenment is counterproductive.
I'm eager to examine all concepts including myself for answers. Everyone spoke from personal perspective which was refreshing as opposed to quoting
sutta's or zen. I think that answers your two paragraphs. Answering your next statement, although it was not spoken about directly, I have personally
been to the void twice, and it seems logical that not speaking about my personal experience would be more counterproductive than what you suggest.
I'd also like to drop a quote from Bruce Lee that supports your view, ''True thusness is without defiling thought; it cannot be known through
conception and thought''
Based on my experiences and reflections after I have experienced my Kundalini energy rising since the age of 18, I can say that enlightenment, a lot
of times, is a tool our minds try to use to deal with our own existential crisis. I had and still have my own existential crisis. So, in a way,
enlightenment is about form (illusion) and essence (reality) at the same time. Duality does not exist. You basically have to deal with your own
inner struggles as well as the nature of the struggles in order to get closer to enlightenment. Your own personal experiences as well as your insight
into the nature of suffering are very important.
Existential crisis, personal matter, or suffering? Suffering is brought to a halt once one has realized enlightenment, so enlightenment might be a
distraction - a convenient condition to comfortably avoid things. Which struggles does one have to endure? Are we not always extremely close to
enlightenment? You mention enlightenment, illusion and reality, but you forgot emptiness
. Realizing the inherent emptiness in form, and
reality, and everything, is the realization of disillusionment removal. As you stated, the nature of suffering is important, I'll finish your thought
by mentioning the most common source of our suffering, our mental projections or mental volition, ex. ''That gold ring is gorgeous! When I get it,
I'll be the man! I'll have respect!'' Well.... what happens when you don't have that gold ring? You suffer.
I also believe that there are different stages of Mayas or system of Mayas one must go through in order to be totally and completely liberated. I was
suffering immensely before my first Kundalini energy rising. I also suffered immensely after it...because my mind was wrapped around in another
system of Mayas. Before, my suffering was personal. In my second stage of Maya, it was historical and collective. It gives me a greater meaning in
life, ironically. It was in this stage I understood karma. I don't believe one can be completely free or liberated or to know the truth until you
are older or cease to live and interact in this world and society. I thought about becoming a monk but my past life karma is strong. There are
people in this world I still care about.
Consider the nature of suffering, as far as I know, is not seeing things as they are, which means we're preoccupied by some otherness influencing us
to behave towards things from a perspective that is not perceptible of the real reality. I would encourage you to consider the system of Mayas,
I only recently came to grip an understanding of what karma is, thanks to Michael Tsarion, and that is ''ignorance.'' Previously I had understood
it as ''action.'' Both somewhat vague but I feel that ignorance is more applicable as a good action is one endured without a basis of ignorance to
''Becoming'' a monk is opposite to the teachings of the mind, its contradictory and illogical as one will certainly find the nature of his mind
has not changed once he's moved to the alps and donned an orange robe and abstained from sex for a hundred years. One does not have to detach from
society for any reason, one merely needs the wisdom that, ''as I live in the society, I live without it.'' There was justice before there were
courts, there was health before hospitals and learning before schools and there was the True nature of Reality before the Buddha was even born.