Originally posted by 1nf1del

Originally posted by Murgatroid
How about "enlightening" those of us who believe that enlightenment is a hoax...

TRUE enlightenment cannot happen without LIGHT, the light of god.

Did you connect with the SOURCE of enlightenment: GOD or the one who masquerades as God?

Einstein was enlightened, in an interview he said the knowledge "just comes to him", those of us that are enlightened know exactly what he meant by that statement, it is not something I could make you understand, either you are enlightened and understand or you are not!

But what makes your perceived "enlightenment" to be enlightenment? The yogis promise x y and z. X y and z sound really good to those who desire x y and z. When people eat the fruit, they get experiences through their senses which do one thing to the mind - convince it that the yogis must have been truthful.

But wait.....could not thoses experiences through the senses be pointing to a truth which the yogis hadn't told you? What if your experiences are leading you to believe a lie? In other words, the yogis state that you will find that you are god and your experiences through your senses confirm this to be so. But what if the yogis aren't telling you the truth but only what they believe the truth to be?

Jesus said that at the end of the age the tares would be bundled and burned.
John the Baptist also told us that Jesus came to baptise with the Holy Spirit AND fire.
Jesus is judge. His wrath is poured out on those who reject the Creator and who deny creation.
The Holy Spirit declares that the Jews seek after signs and that the Greeks seek after wisdom.
But Jesus said blessed are they that believe without SEEING.
Satan is released at the end of the age to deceive the nations. Lying signs and wonders accompanying this deception.

Those who meditate come to three common conclusions;
1) That they are god, divine and at one with a 'consciousness'
2) That since they are actually part of divinity, they are obviously not in need of any salvation and
3) since there is no need of salvation, there must not exist absolute good and evil.

Meditation produces a person who rejects salvation. If you cannot fathom how this person's spirit has chosen his eternal fate, then there is not much more to be said. They chose to believe the lie because they never learned to love the truth.

Jesus is the Truth. He categorically stated that we would die in our sins if we did not believe that he was who he said that he was. Why would anyone knowingly reject Truth for lies? Because the lies appeal to our love of inequities. Eastern spirituality destroys civilisations, robbing them of rational and conscious thought. Go to India, see how the men indulge sensuousness, take a dump on the side of the road and wipe with their bare hands, bathe in the river next to floating corpses and strive for 'nirvana' - a catatonic state whereby they just sit there having their nappies changed and spoon fed like babies. The joke is on us in the west because this is eastern spirituality's highest state of enlightenment - the complete destruction of consciousness.

The teachers and leaders of today do as they did in Jesus' days on Earth - they themselves reject salvation and to this end make their converts twice the children of hell. Children of hell categorically do not WANT to hear that they too will DIE in their sins, so they accept as truth what they WANT to hear - eastern spirituality that tells "no need to worry for we all just get reincarnated so do what thou Wilst". When you experience TRUE enlightenment, enlightenment from your Creator, He shows you just what a child of hell you were and how you were made that way. Lies come tumbling down as He shows you Truth, and you depart from evil. In fact you don't just depart from evil you come to reject it because it IS evil. You come to see the millions of tares being bundled for burning, as this kundalini burns them....and yet they think it is the Holy Spirit when it does the exact opposite - leads them to reject salvation and makes no distinction between good and evil. They therefore reject their Creator because He alone is Good.

Einsteins "enlightenment" led him away from Jesus Christ. Any spirit preaching another gospel is not of God. Any spirit not speaking to the law and prophets is not of God. Choose your Hindu yogi or choose the Truth, Jesus Christ. Each preach entirely different messages, one being the lie and the other being the Truth. One preaches what most want to hear and one preaches what self centered sin loving man does not want to hear. One is the broad path and one is the narrow road. One leads to destruction and one leads to life. One gives sensuality free reign and urges you to trust your senses and the other says do not judge based on what you see and to control your desires.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100


But what makes your perceived "enlightenment" to be enlightenment? The yogis promise x y and z. X y and z sound really good to those who desire x y and z. When people eat the fruit, they get experiences through their senses which do one thing to the mind - convince it that the yogis must have been truthful.

But wait.....could not thoses experiences through the senses be pointing to a truth which the yogis hadn't told you? What if your experiences are leading you to believe a lie? In other words, the yogis state that you will find that you are god and your experiences through your senses confirm this to be so. But what if the yogis aren't telling you the truth but only what they believe the truth to be?

Jesus said that at the end of the age the tares would be bundled and burned.
John the Baptist also told us that Jesus came to baptise with the Holy Spirit AND fire.
Jesus is judge. His wrath is poured out on those who reject the Creator and who deny creation.
The Holy Spirit declares that the Jews seek after signs and that the Greeks seek after wisdom.
But Jesus said blessed are they that believe without SEEING.
Satan is released at the end of the age to deceive the nations. Lying signs and wonders accompanying this deception.

Those who meditate come to three common conclusions;
1) That they are god, divine and at one with a 'consciousness'
2) That since they are actually part of divinity, they are obviously not in need of any salvation and
3) since there is no need of salvation, there must not exist absolute good and evil.

Meditation produces a person who rejects salvation. If you cannot fathom how this person's spirit has chosen his eternal fate, then there is not much more to be said. They chose to believe the lie because they never learned to love the truth.

Jesus is the Truth. He categorically stated that we would die in our sins if we did not believe that he was who he said that he was. Why would anyone knowingly reject Truth for lies? Because the lies appeal to our love of inequities. Eastern spirituality destroys civilisations, robbing them of rational and conscious thought. Go to India, see how the men indulge sensuousness, take a dump on the side of the road and wipe with their bare hands, bathe in the river next to floating corpses and strive for 'nirvana' - a catatonic state whereby they just sit there having their nappies changed and spoon fed like babies. The joke is on us in the west because this is eastern spirituality's highest state of enlightenment - the complete destruction of consciousness.

The teachers and leaders of today do as they did in Jesus' days on Earth - they themselves reject salvation and to this end make their converts twice the children of hell. Children of hell categorically do not WANT to hear that they too will DIE in their sins, so they accept as truth what they WANT to hear - eastern spirituality that tells "no need to worry for we all just get reincarnated so do what thou Wilst". When you experience TRUE enlightenment, enlightenment from your Creator, He shows you just what a child of hell you were and how you were made that way. Lies come tumbling down as He shows you Truth, and you depart from evil. In fact you don't just depart from evil you come to reject it because it IS evil. You come to see the millions of tares being bundled for burning, as this kundalini burns them....and yet they think it is the Holy Spirit when it does the exact opposite - leads them to reject salvation and makes no distinction between good and evil. They therefore reject their Creator because He alone is Good.

Einsteins "enlightenment" led him away from Jesus Christ. Any spirit preaching another gospel is not of God. Any spirit not speaking to the law and prophets is not of God. Choose your Hindu yogi or choose the Truth, Jesus Christ. Each preach entirely different messages, one being the lie and the other being the Truth. One preaches what most want to hear and one preaches what self centered sin loving man does not want to hear. One is the broad path and one is the narrow road. One leads to destruction and one leads to life. One gives sensuality free reign and urges you to trust your senses and the other says do not judge based on what you see and to control your desires.

I obviously can't mind meld with people and show them, you've already got it your mind that I'm full of # as the first sentence of your post clearly shows. No matter what I say will be lost on skeptical ears, when you ask a question of the universe and you get an answer, that is enlightenment!

Another one, you folks are relentless. I just started eating coconut oil myself, does this mean a cigar shaped UFO will visit me as well. I think you`re trolling, but if not, please explain further, and what does that have to do with enlightenment, and did you tell me you have the correct path, or you have the way, or some other thing, please explain in detail and I`ll post how I achieved my state of mind.

Originally posted by Kapablanka
Another one, you folks are relentless. I just started eating coconut oil myself, does this mean a cigar shaped UFO will visit me as well. I think you`re trolling, but if not, please explain further, and what does that have to do with enlightenment, and did you tell me you have the correct path, or you have the way, or some other thing, please explain in detail and I`ll post how I achieved my state of mind.

I'm done if this is how you are going to act, I tried to help but it seems all you want to do is scoff! Good day!

Originally posted by 1nf1del
Do you expect me to have a serious discussion with you when you post stuff like this?

Thank you but NO...

I suspect anything I say may be "lost on skeptical ears" as well.

That post was actually for those who actually ARE seeking the truth BTW.

It seems like everyone, including me, is trying to explain the same thing with our own experiences and understanding of how we think we know the "truth".

Firstly, we must understand that "truth" varies with each individual, depending on how one perceives reality.

Hence, there is no point in arguing about the later, when one cannot see the forest for the trees. Please go back and read each response, am saving this thread to remind not to make the same mistake over.

That I should understand that one has he\her way of understanding the same thing which I am trying to communicate across.

Peace

Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by 1nf1del
Do you expect me to have a serious discussion with you when you post stuff like this?

Thank you but NO...

I suspect anything I say may be "lost on skeptical ears" as well.

That post was actually for those who actually ARE seeking the truth BTW.

Where did you get your truth? I didn't get mine from a book or internet link!

I don't even dream anymore, it's more akin to deep thought almost meditative like, I figure out complex mathematical problems, many many epiphanies! If I am not enlightened then I am certainly possessed by something, I am going to be 42 on Thursday and none of this has ever happened to me before October, I have clarity of perception that I never had before, and most of all I have answers as to why I'm here!

Originally posted by 1nf1del
when you ask a question of the universe and you get an answer, that is enlightenment!

this is incorrect 1nf1del. what u describe is being in touch with the intuition and the ability to channel and translate higher and higher amounts of the soul's communication with the body.

i was on a path of this long before my awakening (not metaphoric). i could invent things in my mind, and even test them in a mental environment, make repairs to errors etc so that the final product could be immediately constructed to work. the answers to questions would just come in some instances.. not much different from regular problem solving abilities.

it is not enlightenment, but if u are on this path u are on the right one. one must trust their intuition, their own soul's advice to the body/ego mind, and be in a sort of rapport with it's guidance. thru this u will need no master in a man. u can attain it all on ur own. start using it to attract wisdom on awakening ur spirit. i have no doubt that if u are capable this as u are already trusting ur intuition/higher self that u can have it assist and guide u to a physical awakening. dont sell urself short.

the markers u will look out for are the flooding of the mind and eyes with beautiful radiant white light, the body feels light as a feather, and u see all matter in it's energetic state. this initial period will last an undetermined period of time.

i again atest that it is no myth. this is my testament.

Originally posted by 0mage

Originally posted by 1nf1del
when you ask a question of the universe and you get an answer, that is enlightenment!

this is incorrect 1nf1del. what u describe is being in touch with the intuition and the ability to channel and translate higher and higher amounts of the soul's communication with the body.

i was on a path of this long before my awakening (not metaphoric). i could invent things in my mind, and even test them in a mental environment, make repairs to errors etc so that the final product could be immediately constructed to work. the answers to questions would just come in some instances.. not much different from regular problem solving abilities.

it is not enlightenment, but if u are on this path u are on the right one. one must trust their intuition, their own soul's advice to the body/ego mind, and be in a sort of rapport with it's guidance. thru this u will need no master in a man. u can attain it all on ur own. start using it to attract wisdom on awakening ur spirit. i have no doubt that if u are capable this as u are already trusting ur intuition/higher self that u can have it assist and guide u to a physical awakening. dont sell urself short.

the markers u will look out for are the flooding of the mind and eyes with beautiful radiant white light, the body feels light as a feather, and u see all matter in it's energetic state. this initial period will last an undetermined period of time.

i again atest that it is no myth. this is my testament.

You are right but to be a little more clear, I was using that as kind of a blanket statement, there is a lot more to enlightenment and we are all always learning, I have only just started on this journey but I feel I have gained a lot with what I've had to work with, I purposely stayed away from all the esoteric websites and books and "gurus", I feel like I have a higher purpose because of the way I was "awakened" and the information that has been given. I watched "What the Bleep do We Know?" Two years ago and was lost on the message, after I was awakened I said to myself "DUH"!

i know what to do. i just havent done it yet i couldve gone a long time ago. but i chose to stay and help. as ive said before, i possess the true path, and instead of going straight thru and closing it behind me, i did some investigation to affirm that it truly was the place before coming back to hold the door open and tell u all where to step and how to get here.

Oh thats so nobel and rightous of you to hold the door open lucifer.