reply to post by siriussam
To be fair you have no idea of what my true understanding of enlightenment is, many Taoist texts describe enlightened beings as being the normal bloke
on the street, but this is part of my doubt, they pass through life without leaving any footsteps, they generally do not shout it from the rooftops
because they don't need to, they teach by making people think they did it themselves, strong words softly spoken, but I am a fan of the Tao Te Ching
and that may be tainting my view.
yes that did taint your view. There are more ways "there" than just Taoism. I have had various insight, experiences, ego deaths, realizations, and
so on, and it has stirred up in me the necessity to spend the rest of life here to Shout it from the roof tops. You can search my posts here on ATS
where I wrote years ago on posts that I will shot this stuff from the roof tops.
The thing is, I've seen that the cause of all the worlds ills are due to the ego. Wars, rapes, pillage, murders, all the worst things you can think
of is due to ego/mind identity and ignorance combined.
The answer is Enlightenment on a mass scale. I think this will come within the next 100 years from technology. We will soon have tech that plugs into
our consciousness and we will be able to experience other perspectives, empathy, etc. So we will have Enlightenment programs down-loaded from those
who are enlightened, and then we can upload into our consciousness. I've seen it in the deep recesses of the subconscious and have seen many
futurists speak of this also.
Only enlightenment will solve all the world's BS. 1 person at a time, and we're slowly getting there. With the Net we have instant access to info
globally, and people are leaving the Fundy dogmatic systems in droves in search of the direct experience of Divinity.
As for Jesus and the Buddha, they both preached that the divine light and ability for enlightenment is in us all, and i believe it is, I don't
believe they would pronounce them selves on a forum as " I believe I am enlightened, discuss".
they both taught to crowds. Crowds are considered live forums. If there were a Jesus/Buddha type today, and they were having gatherings to teach,
these gatherings would be promoted on facebook, twitter, recorded for youtube, mp3's for podcasts, and so on
If you look at the majority of today's teachers who claim enlightenment, they usually have a book published, do retreats, and have their own websites
with their own forums. It's usually always the case.
How is this promoting love and understanding, The fact that people are asking it to be discussed about themselves just sounds like either they have
too much ego involved or they are not sure themselves and are looking for confirmation. So to me, the problem or lack of understanding is the ops
motivation in starting the post.
Dude, Enlightenment is the biggest thing that can happen in life, bigger than losing your virginity, winning the lotto, becoming the next bill gates.
It's the ultimate and its exciting. Why not share? Why do you think every post has to have some underlying ulterior motives?
I too like the OP have made claims and discussed similar experiences and there always all these haters and doubters that come out and start saying
that I'm an ego manic and I'm a BS'er and this and that. I even made a thread about it:
"Why do people assume one to be egotistical & pretentious if they've had various spiritual experience?"
Perhaps you can address that thread
I know when I realized what OP is talking about here, I was initially like, "HOLY SH**, THIS STUFF IS REAL!!!! I GOTTA COMMUNICATE THIS TO MY
Then you try and tell them and goes completely over their heads, and they look at you like your crazy, and you can entirely see their own ego's and
know them better than they know themselves and point out this to them, but they run and hide and are addicted to their sufferings and identities and
basically never get you.
And those that do get you, you change them forever. I sat with a guy for 3 hours explaining this stuff to him, and after 3 hours he finally realized
the state and it was like a grand explosion to him. It forever changed him at the most fundamental levels. He ended up leaving his job and everything
behind and spent years in solitude just stabilizing himself in the Absolute State. I called him years later and he just said, "There really isn't
anything to say." ......he took it and ran with it to the deepest depths possible.
I used the Vedanta method of direct pointing and 3 hours later he popped!!!!
So you might want to rethink your bias. In the Enlightened states ...there no longer is any bias anywhere to be found